From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jan 8 17:14:48 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, January 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2633 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' what we need to do is: 1) build repositories for water 2) convert sea water to fresh 3) distribute water to arrid places and grow things as plants deal with CO2... :) 4) grow stuff this planet was created in such a way that it will hold a lot more people and supply all our needs and way beyond... we just have to be a bit smarter about how we use it... dirtying our own nest isn't very bright... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Yeah, come to think of it....8^) I've actually known that this was possible # for several years. (In fact, I thought of doing exactly that well over a # decade ago. I would have been.....11?) It just hasn't caught the attention of # the mainstream until recently. Of course, it remains to be seen if it really # has yet...... # # Of course, this could drive the price of hay up......you just can't win with # this dang biofuel thing! Any way you look at it, it's interfering with the # food supply at some level. Par for the course, I guess....it makes economic # sense to start developing renewable energy sources, but we certainly should # use oil while we have it, since it is completely non-disruptive to the food # supply. Somebody needs to tell the government to quit paying people NOT to # grow stuff so there's enough supply to keep the prices in check! (Not to # mention that getting paid for NOT doing something is just ever so SLIGHTLY # uncapitalistic.......) # # J # # -- "Richard P. Welty" wrote: # Allen Zylstra wrote: # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of fuel in my yard. Prices of # corn # > has made it more difficult for livestock raisers. Switchgrass may be # another # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. # > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from the corn ethanol craze, # i've never # been persuaded it was the right answer. objectively, grass based # solutions look a lot better # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly news, this study confirms # what i've been # hearing for a little while now.) # # richard # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:37:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' well, be happy to trade it for biodiesel fuel. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # I'd imagine it would grow, but I doubt it would be worth your trouble. Never # hurts to ask, though. # # I don't see bioD coming out of grass, though.....not really much oil in it to # speak of. Nice try, though. 8^) # # J # # -- john wrote: # how much ground is needed to grow the switchgrass? # # we're looking at a property with almost 5 acres and most of it's cleared... # will it grow in a cool damp climate? # # if so, how much value is it to raise??? might be enough incentive # for us to move. :) # # can they make biodiesel from it too? # # john # # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Richard P. Welty wrote: # # # Allen Zylstra wrote: # # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of fuel in my yard. Prices # of # # > corn # # > has made it more difficult for livestock raisers. Switchgrass may be # # > another # # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. # # > # # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from the corn ethanol craze, # i've # # never # # been persuaded it was the right answer. objectively, grass based solutions # # look a lot better # # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly news, this study confirms # what # # i've been # # hearing for a little while now.) # # # # richard # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:07:33 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Mot times a bad shimmy is one or more tires with a split tread, worn ball joints and tie rod ends tend not to shimmy on flat straightaways while the tires do so with a vengance. Check the tires first, cheapest first is the rule. Edward Scott Haaland wrote: >The best I've ever gotten in the 190D is 35.5 mpg, and that was only once on >a Sacramento to Fresno to Sacramento run (flat, flat, flat). I've >consistently gotten 33 mpg on the road and 29-30 around town. I'm convinced >that a manual tranny would make the biggest difference. I've always been >annoyed at how "wound up" it gets when going 70 mph or more with my >automatic tranny. It sounds like the rubber band is going to break if you >dare go over 80. I wish they would have put an overdrive on the automatic >tranny, and lowered the rpm by 500-800....right now, 85mph is top speed and >it sounds like the engine is going to explode at 4500 rpm.... > >Speaking of wound up, I've been trying to troubleshoot a shimmy that >developed a couple of months ago, which turns into a terrible shaking >vibration over 60 mph. I've pretty much relegated the 190D to around town >only, until I can solve it. I've replaced the tie-rods and the driver's >side ball joint. Planning to replace the passenger side ball joint this >weekend, then put new tires on, get an alignment, and cross my fingers. >Other suspected parts are the control arm bushings, or some other steering >control bushings (center link or middle tie rod, etc...). I'm actually >hoping that it's only a tire out of balance at this point, and that new >tires and balancing will fix it now.... > >I had no idea how difficult ball joints can be to change...I finally got the >old one out by leaving the ball joint press on it under pressure and >spraying penetrating oil around the edge, and let it sit for an hour. Came >out, gave it a whack with the hammer, and it finally budged. I thought I'd >have to take the control arm off and take it to a machine shop for while >there.... > >Cheers, >Scott > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On >Behalf Of john >Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:12 AM >To: Scott Haaland >Cc: 'DB List' >Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 > >I should have picked him up in a Jeep... ;) that was pretty cruel. :) >(had I dropped insurance on it??? that must have been why, either that >or I was just showing off... ;) > >the 190d is more economical and more nimble in tight spaces, and >they look pretty cool... > >I was getting 34 mpg in town... with stop-n-go only seeing 26 to 28 with >the 300d. If it's economy you're really concerned about the 190D is >the winner... I've talked to folks that got well into the 40's with >their 190d... best ever for my 124 is 39.75 mpg. (same run I got 21.04 mpg >with my 4.7L V8 Grand Cherokee)... for some reason the run from Seattle >to Spokane is my best economy run, not sure why... spokane is higher >than seattle and I have to go through three passes to get there... weird... > > >anyway, the 201 chassis is ok, but the 124 series is the best I've had >yet... >I prefer it over the 123 or 126. I guess they call these the e-series... > >I'm hooked... other than the climate control design, they're splendid, >but the 124 and 201 share that design, and both are better than the 123 of >old... > >john > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: > > # Mike, > # > # Go for it. That's what John did when he dumped the 190D on me :) Can >you > # believe he picked me up from the airport in the 300D, drove me home, then > # said, "there's the 190D". You have to admit, that was pretty cruel!! >The > # 300D is a dream ride compared to the 190D. If I could find a '91 300D >and > # had any money, I'd switch in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the > # 190D, it's just in a different class (lower) than the 300D. > # > # Pros: TURBO Power, larger softer ride, quieter, equivalent mpg > # Cons: Maybe not quite so nimble in parking lots and for u-turns?? Hard >to > # beat that in a 190D... > # > # It's a no brainer if you can afford it. > # > # Scott > # 1985 190D > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >On > # Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy > # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:29 AM > # To: Mike Frank > # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 > # > # Same Benz I have, gets 30 to 32 in mixed city highway driving. Hit as > # high as 35 all highway and mine has injection pump issues. I am told > # you can eke 40 on the highway if all things are right with the engine. > # > # Edward > # > # Mike Frank wrote: > # > # > Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 > # > 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the > # > 190D. > # > > # > Mike Frank > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:11:43 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Got that - good idea, best way to do it is to build a bunch of nuclear pebble bed reactors to make elecricity and to process seawater into desalinated for irrigation, and Hydrogen and power..... oh, silly me, the greens will NEVER allow that, too logical. Arghh!! Edward john wrote: >what we need to do is: > > 1) build repositories for water > 2) convert sea water to fresh > 3) distribute water to arrid places and grow things > as plants deal with CO2... :) > 4) grow stuff > >this planet was created in such a way that it will hold a lot >more people and supply all our needs and way beyond... we just >have to be a bit smarter about how we use it... dirtying our >own nest isn't very bright... :) > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # Yeah, come to think of it....8^) I've actually known that this was possible > # for several years. (In fact, I thought of doing exactly that well over a > # decade ago. I would have been.....11?) It just hasn't caught the attention of > # the mainstream until recently. Of course, it remains to be seen if it really > # has yet...... > # > # Of course, this could drive the price of hay up......you just can't win with > # this dang biofuel thing! Any way you look at it, it's interfering with the > # food supply at some level. Par for the course, I guess....it makes economic > # sense to start developing renewable energy sources, but we certainly should > # use oil while we have it, since it is completely non-disruptive to the food > # supply. Somebody needs to tell the government to quit paying people NOT to > # grow stuff so there's enough supply to keep the prices in check! (Not to > # mention that getting paid for NOT doing something is just ever so SLIGHTLY > # uncapitalistic.......) > # > # J > # > # -- "Richard P. Welty" wrote: > # Allen Zylstra wrote: > # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of fuel in my yard. Prices of > # corn > # > has made it more difficult for livestock raisers. Switchgrass may be > # another > # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. > # > > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from the corn ethanol craze, > # i've never > # been persuaded it was the right answer. objectively, grass based > # solutions look a lot better > # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly news, this study confirms > # what i've been > # hearing for a little while now.) > # > # richard > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 what gets me is when these things pull one way or the other... our roads are crowned here because of all the rain... I've spent a lot of time at front end shops sorting it out... jeeps and mercedes... if I have the tire pressure equal on all four corners on my 124 it seems to track straight, if one tire goes low it'll pull... irritating... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Mot times a bad shimmy is one or more tires with a split tread, worn ball # joints and tie rod ends tend not to shimmy on flat straightaways while the # tires do so with a vengance. Check the tires first, cheapest first is the # rule. # # Edward # # Scott Haaland wrote: # # >The best I've ever gotten in the 190D is 35.5 mpg, and that was only once on # >a Sacramento to Fresno to Sacramento run (flat, flat, flat). I've # >consistently gotten 33 mpg on the road and 29-30 around town. I'm convinced # >that a manual tranny would make the biggest difference. I've always been # >annoyed at how "wound up" it gets when going 70 mph or more with my # >automatic tranny. It sounds like the rubber band is going to break if you # >dare go over 80. I wish they would have put an overdrive on the automatic # >tranny, and lowered the rpm by 500-800....right now, 85mph is top speed and # >it sounds like the engine is going to explode at 4500 rpm.... # > # >Speaking of wound up, I've been trying to troubleshoot a shimmy that # >developed a couple of months ago, which turns into a terrible shaking # >vibration over 60 mph. I've pretty much relegated the 190D to around town # >only, until I can solve it. I've replaced the tie-rods and the driver's # >side ball joint. Planning to replace the passenger side ball joint this # >weekend, then put new tires on, get an alignment, and cross my fingers. # >Other suspected parts are the control arm bushings, or some other steering # >control bushings (center link or middle tie rod, etc...). I'm actually # >hoping that it's only a tire out of balance at this point, and that new # >tires and balancing will fix it now.... # > # >I had no idea how difficult ball joints can be to change...I finally got the # >old one out by leaving the ball joint press on it under pressure and # >spraying penetrating oil around the edge, and let it sit for an hour. Came # >out, gave it a whack with the hammer, and it finally budged. I thought I'd # >have to take the control arm off and take it to a machine shop for while # >there.... # > # >Cheers, # >Scott # > # >-----Original Message----- # >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # >Behalf Of john # >Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:12 AM # >To: Scott Haaland # >Cc: 'DB List' # >Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 # > # >I should have picked him up in a Jeep... ;) that was pretty cruel. :) # >(had I dropped insurance on it??? that must have been why, either that # >or I was just showing off... ;) # > # >the 190d is more economical and more nimble in tight spaces, and # >they look pretty cool... # > # >I was getting 34 mpg in town... with stop-n-go only seeing 26 to 28 with the # >300d. If it's economy you're really concerned about the 190D is # >the winner... I've talked to folks that got well into the 40's with # >their 190d... best ever for my 124 is 39.75 mpg. (same run I got 21.04 mpg # >with my 4.7L V8 Grand Cherokee)... for some reason the run from Seattle # >to Spokane is my best economy run, not sure why... spokane is higher # >than seattle and I have to go through three passes to get there... weird... # > # > # >anyway, the 201 chassis is ok, but the 124 series is the best I've had # >yet... # >I prefer it over the 123 or 126. I guess they call these the e-series... # > # >I'm hooked... other than the climate control design, they're splendid, # >but the 124 and 201 share that design, and both are better than the 123 of # >old... # > # >john # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # > # > # Mike, # > # # > # Go for it. That's what John did when he dumped the 190D on me :) Can # >you # > # believe he picked me up from the airport in the 300D, drove me home, then # > # said, "there's the 190D". You have to admit, that was pretty cruel!! # >The # > # 300D is a dream ride compared to the 190D. If I could find a '91 300D # >and # > # had any money, I'd switch in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the # > # 190D, it's just in a different class (lower) than the 300D. # > # # > # Pros: TURBO Power, larger softer ride, quieter, equivalent mpg # > # Cons: Maybe not quite so nimble in parking lots and for u-turns?? Hard # >to # > # beat that in a 190D... # > # # > # It's a no brainer if you can afford it. # > # # > # Scott # > # 1985 190D # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] # >On # > # Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy # > # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:29 AM # > # To: Mike Frank # > # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 # > # # > # Same Benz I have, gets 30 to 32 in mixed city highway driving. Hit as # > # high as 35 all highway and mine has injection pump issues. I am told # > # you can eke 40 on the highway if all things are right with the engine. # > # # > # Edward # > # # > # Mike Frank wrote: # > # # > # > Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 # > # > 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the # > # > 190D. # > # > # > # > Mike Frank # > # # > # > # > # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2633 **********************************