Mon Jan 16 22:13:08 2006 On Mon, 16 Jan 2006, David Jones wrote: >-->I looked for the LTX A/T and could not find them. I >-->Dave J the LTX are at both costco and discount I liked mine and they lasted a long, long time... had 'em on an '87 xj and a '99 wj ltd... so, it's down to: revo's, cross terrains, ltx and longtrails... thinking about fuel economy the michelin's are a proven by me on the '99 wj and the '87 xj... 21.3 and 21 (amsoil equipped of course)... that's something I just remembered... michelin is long lived too... currently flip-flopping among the following: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- a/t revo's $138 each (50k warranty) $552-55.20= $496.80 +++ michelin cross terrain suv $147 each (65k warranty) $588-60-58.8= $469.20 +++ --------------- michelin ltx $135 each (no mileage warranty) $540-60-54=$426 +++ bfg longtrails $101 each (no mileage warranty) $404-40.4= $363.60 +++ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- a/t revo's $138 each (50k warranty) $552-55.20= $496.80 +++ max load max tread weight 245/70 SR16 106S SL 500 A B 2094 lbs. 44 psi 13/32" 36 lbs. sect width 9.8" tread width 7.2" overal diameter 29.6" http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bridgestone/bs_dueler_at_revo_wl_ci2_l.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- michelin cross terrain suv $147 each (65k warranty) $588-60-58.8= $469.20 +++ 245/70 SR16 106S SL 700 A B 2094 lbs. 35 psi 11/32" 31 lbs. 9.7" NA 29.5" http://www.discounttire.com/product/tires/mmira5.xl.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- michelin ltx m/s $135 each (no mileage warranty) $540-60-54=$426 +++ 245/70 SR16 106S SL 500 A B 2094 lbs. 35 psi 13/32" 35 lbs. 9.6" NA 29.1" http://www.discounttire.com/product/tires/mmira2.xl.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bfg longtrails $101 each (no mileage warranty) $404-40.4= $363.60 +++ 245/70 TR16 106T SL 500 A B 2094 lbs. 35 psi 13/32" 36 lbs. 9.8" 7.2" 29.7" http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bfg/bfg_rdl_lg_trl_ta_owl_ci2_l.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- long link that compares the tires above: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare2.jsp?shipquote=N&RunFlat=null&autoMake=Jeep&autoModel=Grand+Cherokee+Laredo&autoYear=1999&autoModClar=&sortcode=&fromCompare1=yes&partNumber=&make=&model=&price=&prevprice=&discountPrice=&sidewall=&sidewallShown=&promoShortText=&promoUrl=&loadRating=&width=&ratio=&diameter=&speedRating=&qty=&stockMessage=&type=T&frontTire=&frontLeftTire=&rearTire=&rearLeftTire=&wantRHP=&RHPprice=&sortCode=&pre=&sumRating=&spec=&warranty=&comments=&tests=&surveys=&perf=&specCode=&promoLongText=&heatCycleAvail=&shaveAvail=&studAvail=&AddToUser=true&_47R6LONGTTAOWL_qty=4&_47SR6LTXOWL_qty=4&_47SR6ATREVOWL_qty=4&_47HR6CTSUV_qty=4&removeIndex=4%7C47SR6CTSUVOWL&_47SR6CTSUVOWL_qty=4&sortValue=0 ratings summary: longtrails ltx revo suv's $97.00 $129.00 $130.00 $135.00 (tirerack) HANDLING RATING 7.30 8.20 8.80 8.40 DRY TRACTION 8.2 8.9 9.4 9 WET TRACTION 7 8.1 9.2 8.4 SNOW TRACTION 6.7 7.8 9 7.7 RIDE COMFORT 8 8.5 8.8 8.8 NOISE COMFORT 7.8 8.5 8.6 8.6 WEAR 8.2 9 8.6 8.1 $363.60 $426 $496.80 $469.20 (add mount/balance/road hazard, etc... $$$) they're all pretty close in performance... and specs... the michelin cross terrain suv's are only 31 lbs... that will help economy... also have the highest tread life/warranty... well siped pattern too... solid outside supposedly quieter... the comparison shows some advantages in traction to the revo's... the suv's have the mileage and would suspect better economy than the revo's... these are discount tire prices (close to costco's), they offer the same $60 mail in rebate on michelin/bfg that costco has, PLUS, they'll match costco's price, PLUS they have 10% boeing discount... I've bought my tires at discount tires for about the last 20 years, always great service... costco is also a fine place to buy tires and they're open on sundays... :) if I go with the revo's I don't get the $60 rebate and I have to wait about a week to get them... but considering how highly they're rated, AND the fact that the bridgestone blizzak's I had on the Jimmy (still have them for superdawg) were very nice, I may depart from buying michelin/bfg this time around... The stock size for the WJ Laredo is 225/75 r 16, mine currently has 235/70r16's on it... the WJ Limited comes with 245/70r16s. I'm going to go with 245/70r16's, they're only slightly larger than the stock laredo size and more common... they are a bit wider, but that should help the look and ride a bit. The tires on there now are the reason my speedo is so optimistic... (says I'm going faster than I really am) Ok, so I'm thinking after all this research it's down to the Michelin Cross Terrain SUVs and the Bridgestone A/T Revos... mostly wet highway driving, very little snow... some performance driving but mainly interested in quiet and smooth ride and economy (yeah, that's why I got the V8. ;) Cross Terrains or Revo's? what's your thought? (I have had good history with both michelin and bridgestone, have both in the current fleet... superdawg has the michelin a/t's and a set of bridgeston blizzaks for winter...) thanx, john ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** -------------------------------------------------------------------------