From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jan 6 00:33:59 2001 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, January 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1047 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: more questions... :) xj: more than 9 months of rain... xj: cooling fans Re: xj: Arizona drivelines/gloeco xj: RE: insurance xj: Jeep news... Re: xj: Jeep news... xj: Re: Informative article about MB and Bosch ABS->ASR->ASD->ESP, xj: great site: junkscience.com Re: xj: Jeep news... Re: xj: military craft shops... Re: xj: Jeep news... Re: xj: cheap SYE? Re: xj: military craft shops... Re: xj: trail damage - insurance Re: xj: more questions... :) xj: Washington XJer's Re: xj: spring BC adventures? Re: xj: Arizona drivelines/gloeco xj: OT - sorry - need Mercedes G wagen help !!! XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:47:00 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: more questions... :) >From: "Paul W." >Subject: Re: xj: been thinkin' >Use the MB engine and trans and a Ford NP205 divorced t-case. Pretty simple >actually - no adapters needed, just driveshafts. >Paul The Ford NP205 xfr case, does it dump the front shaft on the driver's side like my NP208? Same low range gearing? Where do I find one? Which years? You don't have one laying around up there on Camano Island by any chance do you? ;) The only other problem is I could spend as much for a Benz Turbo Diesel as I'm selling my 300SD for!!! ;) almost... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:56:39 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: more than 9 months of rain... I was outside today working on the fence and having to shovel some silt and mud from the driveway to let the water run off... then it dawned on me... I WAS SHOVELING RAIN! ;) Shoveling rain at 50 degrees is a lot better than shoveling snow. http://www.komotv.com/weather/2000_in_review.html john ==================================================================== If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to assume that it is anything other than a duck. However, in this era of post-modern license with basic linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:22:43 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: cooling fans someone was talking about replacing their fan. I picked up a Land Rover World magazine at Barnes and Noble tonight and found an ad for http://www.kenlowe.com they claim 8.5% fuel savings, lots of other cool stuff... haven't checked their site yet. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:19:13 -0500 From: Bob Mock Subject: Re: xj: Arizona drivelines/gloeco Bill how much did your denny's driveshaft cost? It's a CV shaft I'm assuming..... Bob At 07:43 PM 1/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >Never seen it. > >Very happy with RE SYE and Denny's driveshaft. Especially the driveshaft - >it's a beaut - pics in the usual place, and an alternative for us right >coasters > >Bob Mock wrote: > > > Has anyone used the Arizona Driveshaft / SYE combo. It's only $350 for a > > SYE like Rubicon Express' and a CV driveshaft. I guess any is better than > > no SYE but I would like to have it at least last a little while if i'm > > chunking down $350. > > > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:33:21 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: RE: insurance At 09:42 AM 1/5/01 -0800, Balea, Michael wrote: >If you are or have been in the service, i believe that nothing beats USAA, >cheaper than AAA, but a lot better service >Cheers >Michel you know, I've heard this before... I should check it out. btw, someone on one of the lists got that snow white/dwarf virus thing again, it bounced off the list. remember, don't open any attachments (you won't get any from the digest.net lists.), the virus comes in a variety of extensions. john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ PC viruses??? see http://vil.mcafee.com/villib/alpha.asp free virus protection that works: http://antivirus.cai.com/ UNIX rules the internet and engineering computing - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:40:36 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Jeep news... At 10:33 AM 1/5/01 -0600, McSpadden, Oriley wrote: John What do you know about the following: - ----- OR, et al, nothing... but the date on the file below indicates this is new news... :( john - --------------------------------------------- Chrysler Group Announces New Production Strategy for Jeep(R) Additional $35 million for increased flexibility at new $1.2 billion Toledo plant Jeep(R) Cherokee production to end in mid-2001 AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Jan. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- DaimlerChrysler Corporation will invest an additional $35 million in its new $1.2 billion Toledo North Assembly Plant (TNAP) in order to have greater flexibility to adjust production volume and add new products more easily. The company is installing new equipment which will allow it to ramp up maximum production of the all-new Jeep(R) Liberty on a two-shift operation, while improving productivity. As the company's newest assembly plant, TNAP was designed and built to be flexible enough to adjust volumes quickly, and ultimately build two separate products as well as prototypes of a third. The new investment, which consists of a building expansion, conveyors and other production and maintenance equipment, will enhance its ability to be flexible while making the manufacturing process more ergonomically friendly for the workforce. "This investment in the new plant demonstrates the company's long-term commitment to the community and our workforce," said Gary Henson, DaimlerChrysler Corporation Executive Vice President - Manufacturing. "It will also help safeguard thousands of jobs in the Toledo area. Flexibility is crucial to the future of our manufacturing operations. Having the ability to react quickly to the market and build multiple models on the same production line will increase our competitiveness, quality and speed as we move forward." JEEP CHEROKEE PRODUCTION DaimlerChrysler will discontinue Jeep Cherokee production by the middle of this year. Originally scheduled to end production in November 2000, the company continued production in order to meet demand in the market place. "The Jeep Cherokee has had one of the longest and most successful rides in the history of the automotive industry," said Tom Sidlik, DaimlerChrysler Executive Vice President of Procurement and Supply and General Manager - Jeep Operations. "Jeep invented the compact SUV segment with Cherokee 18-years ago, and with the launch of the all-new Jeep Liberty, we will further enhance and broaden the overall Jeep brand." As the company prepares to launch the new Jeep Liberty this spring at TNAP, employees from Jeep Cherokee production have been transitioning to the new operation to train for the production ramp up. Ending Cherokee production this year will ensure a smooth transition and a stable launch of the Jeep Liberty. Currently about 500 employees have been trained and are working in the new facility. The Jeep Cherokee is built at the Parkway Assembly Plant, which will continue building Jeep Wranglers. SOURCE DaimlerChrysler Corporation -0- 01/04/2001 - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:20 -0500 From: Bob Mock Subject: Re: xj: Jeep news... It's a sad day for the cherokee. After being given a breath of life till 2005 only to have that yanked away. And what's worse is to be replaced for a vehicle that's only half of what the cherokee is/was. Both in looks and performance. Jeep is losing a lot of customers. I for one don't like the new liberty and don't know that i'll ever have a need for a grand cherokee. while i have considered the option of buying a new cherokee. I guess when that time comes it'll have to be a 'used' cherokee. we should all drive our cherokees around tonight for a sign of unity :-) and that hearse XJ was only a joke but suddenly becomes appropriate as the XJ is now history....... Bob At 10:40 AM 1/5/01 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:33 AM 1/5/01 -0600, McSpadden, Oriley wrote: >John >What do you know about the following: > > JEEP CHEROKEE PRODUCTION > > DaimlerChrysler will discontinue Jeep Cherokee production by the middle of > this year. Originally scheduled to end production in November 2000, the > company continued production in order to meet demand in the market place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:11:17 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: Informative article about MB and Bosch ABS->ASR->ASD->ESP, At 12:07 PM 1/5/01 -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: >Detailed feature article on just-auto.com entitled, "Five Years of the >Electronic Stability Program ESP(r)," at: > http://just-auto.com/features_detail.asp?art=403 > >It reads almost like a White Paper from MB or Bosch. Highly recommended >reading. Interesting site, too. - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:17:49 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: great site: junkscience.com New from Junkscience.com, http://www.junkscience.com EPA Lamb Among Transition Wolves By Steven Milloy, Fox news January 5, 2001 Hope that the Bush-Cheney administration will bring a sound science agenda to the Environmental Protection Agency may be disappearing. If the leadership and composition of the Bush-Cheney EPA transition team is any indication, junk science will continue to rule the roost at the agency, regardless of the change in administration... The full column is at http://www.foxnews.com/science/junkscience/index.sml. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:41:45 -0700 From: "Josh Ingram" Subject: Re: xj: Jeep news... > > Originally scheduled to end production in November 2000, the > > company continued production in order to meet demand in the market place. What is wrong with this picture? jingram '89 & '01 <-The Last of the Cherokees ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:01:53 -0800 From: "Phil M." Subject: Re: xj: military craft shops... Hehe, yeah they paid ME......little, but it was enough. Heck, they still pay me. I get my VA check every month now, $101. 10% disability will do that. The retro pay was nice. Got a sweet deal on a used, never fired Heckler & Koch USP .45. :o) Sold it to me for the used price because it was technically owned by someone else. Has the Tritium night sights on it too. Isn't this a Jeep list? Helping Rob Dome look for a 4.0L HO for his 87 XJ. We're gonna stroke the bad-boy. :o) Phil - ----Original Message Follows---- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: xj: military craft shops... Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:18:03 -0800 >And lastly, I don't miss the almost-nonexistent pay. >Rob >(USAF 1987-1991) pay? you mean they PAID you? ;) The guy at the hobby shop or craft shop or whatever it was called actually saved me a bunch of money. I had good experiences in Germany at the shops... but in the early to mid-70's it was "all volunteer" so things might have been better back then... I was in from '74 until '82. (since I was in the Army I was able to make it to E-6, so the pay was almost enough to live on. ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:06:48 -0800 From: "Phil M." Subject: Re: xj: Jeep news... DC in general is losing customers. I had a little bird tell me that their numbers are getting lower and lower. :o( Phil Mopar Nut - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bob Mock Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Jeep news... Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 13:56:20 -0500 It's a sad day for the cherokee. After being given a breath of life till 2005 only to have that yanked away. And what's worse is to be replaced for a vehicle that's only half of what the cherokee is/was. Both in looks and performance. Jeep is losing a lot of customers. I for one don't like the new liberty and don't know that i'll ever have a need for a grand cherokee. while i have considered the option of buying a new cherokee. I guess when that time comes it'll have to be a 'used' cherokee. we should all drive our cherokees around tonight for a sign of unity :-) and that hearse XJ was only a joke but suddenly becomes appropriate as the XJ is now history....... Bob At 10:40 AM 1/5/01 -0800, you wrote: >At 10:33 AM 1/5/01 -0600, McSpadden, Oriley wrote: >John >What do you know about the following: > > JEEP CHEROKEE PRODUCTION > > DaimlerChrysler will discontinue Jeep Cherokee production by the middle >of > this year. Originally scheduled to end production in November 2000, the > company continued production in order to meet demand in the market place. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:50:22 -0800 From: Mike G Subject: Re: xj: cheap SYE? I think that was t'll the end of december, but I remember Dora from Letsgojeepin.com said she had one WITH a cv drive shafts for like 230 or somthing, shipped, maybe. I dunno. Jeff wrote: > > That was probably Bayou Geep in Louisiana I think. I have no idea if it > is still valid. Jeff > > Bob Mock wrote: > > > > about a month ago there was a shop selling a SYE somewhere in the $200 > > range. anyone have that link? and is the offer still good? > > > > Bob - -- Mike Gagos email: mike-g-at-mike-g.net web: http://www.mike-g.net/ ICQ: 1734225 89XJ 6" Lift/Tech/More: http://www.mike-g.net/jeep/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:06:55 -0600 From: "Mike Petersen" Subject: Re: xj: military craft shops... Hey, Gun talk is good "Whoops I mean Jeep Security System" to keep it list legal. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil M." To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: xj: military craft shops... Hehe, yeah they paid ME......little, but it was enough. Heck, they still pay me. I get my VA check every month now, $101. 10% disability will do that. The retro pay was nice. Got a sweet deal on a used, never fired Heckler & Koch USP .45. :o) Sold it to me for the used price because it was technically owned by someone else. Has the Tritium night sights on it too. Isn't this a Jeep list? Helping Rob Dome look for a 4.0L HO for his 87 XJ. We're gonna stroke the bad-boy. :o) Phil - ----Original Message Follows---- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: xj: military craft shops... Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:18:03 -0800 >And lastly, I don't miss the almost-nonexistent pay. >Rob >(USAF 1987-1991) pay? you mean they PAID you? ;) The guy at the hobby shop or craft shop or whatever it was called actually saved me a bunch of money. I had good experiences in Germany at the shops... but in the early to mid-70's it was "all volunteer" so things might have been better back then... I was in from '74 until '82. (since I was in the Army I was able to make it to E-6, so the pay was almost enough to live on. ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:19:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W." Subject: Re: xj: trail damage - insurance john wrote: > BUT, if I'm not mistaken, any insurance company will cover trail damage > because in Washington state the "trail" is technically a road, right? > (aren't you the one that told me that??? ;) Yes, I am. But when asked point-blank if they would cover trail damage, they said "yes, as long as you're not in organized competition." Paul Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:27:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W." Subject: Re: xj: more questions... :) john wrote: > The Ford NP205 xfr case, does it dump the front shaft on the driver's > side like my NP208? Of course! That's why I was specific in recommending the FORD version of the NP205... they are the only ones that are LH drop. > Same low range gearing? No, you lose a little bit... 2:1 low range... but MUCH stronger than the 208. Gear driven, iron case instead of chain driven, aluminum case. (and yes, they are fixed yoke output) > Where do I find one? In a Ford 4WD pickup. Most likely in F-250/350, but may be possile in F-100/150. > Which years? Not sure exactly, but late 60's to mid 70's. > You don't have one laying around up there on Camano Island by any chance > do you? ;) Nope. My '78 F-250 has the married NP203 :( If I had one, I'd be tossin' it in MY truck! :) > The only other problem is I could spend as much for a Benz Turbo Diesel > as I'm selling my 300SD for!!! ;) almost... ;) Then don't sell your 300SD, pull the motor & trans and put 'em in your J-10. Paul Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:59:15 -0800 From: "Jason Wolfe" Subject: xj: Washington XJer's I am collecting names and locations of people in Washington State so that, if there is enough, I can make a Washington XJ list:-) If there is not enough then maybe we could go with a Pacific Northwest XJ list. I've posted all the XJer's i've got to respond from the xjlist-at-moab.off-road.com on my website. heres the link to the page, http://hookedonjeeps.freeyellow.com/Washington%20XJer's.htm. There is no hyperlink to this page so you might want to bookmark it. If you have any comments or suggestion please let me know. Thanks, Jason Wolfe Lake Stevens, WA '89 XJ Limited Mainly stock w/ the exception of a 2nd gear switch and homemade quick disco's, Kenwood CD player and speakers, and a JCWhitney/RC lift waiting to be put on. http://hookedonjeeps.freeyellow.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:53:28 -0400 From: samfans Subject: Re: xj: spring BC adventures? Well - it's too early to tell yet. I'll let you all know. I sure would love to drive one day, stopping along the way - but that wont happen for a while !! Bill john wrote: > >From: samfans > >My folks are in Port Alberni, Vancouver Island. I may visit in the spring > >- we'll > >see. > > should I make plans for a Snohomish Jeep fest then? ;) > > Only a few hours south of Vancouver... Lots of XJ types in the area > that know how to get here. :) > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:56:30 -0400 From: samfans Subject: Re: xj: Arizona drivelines/gloeco go to http://www.dennysdriveshaft.com/ I got the 2.5" HD CV style shaft - and I actually paid about $20 more than the site quotes - never did ask why. Bill Bob Mock wrote: > Bill how much did your denny's driveshaft cost? It's a CV shaft I'm > assuming..... > > Bob > > At 07:43 PM 1/4/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Never seen it. > > > >Very happy with RE SYE and Denny's driveshaft. Especially the driveshaft - > >it's a beaut - pics in the usual place, and an alternative for us right > >coasters > > > >Bob Mock wrote: > > > > > Has anyone used the Arizona Driveshaft / SYE combo. It's only $350 for a > > > SYE like Rubicon Express' and a CV driveshaft. I guess any is better than > > > no SYE but I would like to have it at least last a little while if i'm > > > chunking down $350. > > > > > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:40:58 -0400 From: samfans Subject: xj: OT - sorry - need Mercedes G wagen help !!! Guys and Gals, Sorry for the off-topic post, but I didn't know where else to turn. I need some help with a potentiallty new to me 1982 Mercedes Gelaendewagen (Gwagen) and I figured someone might be able to help, point me to someone who can, or even forward this to other folks / lists in hopes someon can reply to me and help. Situation: A local dealer has come into posession of a 1982 Mercedes Gwagen, and the silly buggers want a very reasonable price for it - which is killing me. thing is - they are as rare as hens teeth here - no one knows anything or can get any parts. So I'm wondering if anyone can help with insight, advice, links, help, parts sources, info sources etc. Details are: 1982 G Wagen 4 Cyl gas engine 4 speed manual fr and rr hydraulic locking diffs 140 000 km Specific questions I have so far are: What's it worth? Any idea of mielage? Where on earth does one get parts / a manual?, are they expensive? What are the known problems, areas to watch when buying a used Gwagen? Are any of these things I noticed common problems with easy fixes or what: 1) At idle the oil pressure light comes on, but goes away immediately the throttle is blipped - could it be gauge / sender or is it a really bad sighn? 2) The brakes work ok for a 2800kg truck - but you really have to get into them (push pedal hard and far) - is this a weakness, or sign of new brakes needed or worse (vaccum booter problem?) 3) What are the 4 Transfer case positions labeled S, SA, SA, and GA. I'm guessing they are 2wd, 4wd hi range full time, 4wd high range part time (centre diff locked), and 4wd lo range centre diff locked 4) What's the proper shifting procedure for the modes - so I can properly test them all? 5) There is a vibration, that feels like driveshaft, at about 110km.h - - is this common? It's in unbelievable condition , built like a tank, 4 wheel coils with radius arms, HUGE box frame, and steering linkage all BEHIND the front axle. Any help is VERY much appreciated. Thanks Bill ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1047 *************************