From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 8 10:18:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (IDENT:exim-at-krusty1.krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by virtual-cafe.com (8.9.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00741 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:33:47 -0800 Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 3.15 #4) id 14FOAi-00079I-00 for xj-digest-outgoing-at-digest.net; Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:20:16 -0500 From: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net (xj-digest) To: xj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: xj-digest V1 #1051 Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net Sender: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:20:16 -0500 X-Keywords: X-UID: 3305 xj-digest Sunday, January 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1051 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: NV4500 xj: tools .. good ones Re: xj: tools .. good ones xj: hydraulic driven fan (from allexperts.com) Re: xj: Cherokee holsters Re: xj: Greatest Dana 30? Re: xj: misc from the last digest correction -was- xj: Cherokee holsters Re: xj: misc from the last digest Re: xj: tools .. good ones Re: xj: tools .. good ones xj: Re: '89 XJ, rear struts xj: Re: XJ:Intros xj: Re: XJ question xj: Factory Service Manuals xj: Some Qs / Intro Re: xj: '89 XJ Re: xj: Insuring Lifted Vehicles XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W." Subject: Re: xj: NV4500 Sounds like the NV3500 to me. NV4500's can be found behind the 360 - but only in a 2500 or 3500. The 1500 Rams with a 5-speed get the NV3500. Not as strong as the 4500 and no granny 1st gear. Not a "BAD" tranny, but not a great one either. Only worth even considering for a swap in if you're going to run a real Mopar motor since the bellhousing is integral to the gearbox's case. Paul - --- Lutin Plunder wrote: > NV4500 5 SPEED It is in a 1993 Dodge 1/2 ton, 318, 2wd > pickup and works great, can test drive pickup before I > pull. This is the std duty NV-4500 that is used behind > the 318 and 360 gas, and not the Heavy duty unit like > is used with the Cummins diesel and V-10. > > this doesn't sound right isn't the NV4500 indifferent > to the difference between the 318, 360 and the > cummins, v-10. I mean a NV4500 in a NV4500 right? > > Oh, this is a current ad and I'm thinking of getting > it... anyone good with sheetmetal :) > > ===== > Rob "Lutin Plunder" Dome; A+, Network+ > 1987 Jeep Cherokee Utility > Dana30-4.0L-BA10/5-NP231-Dana44 > 2" lift in front and 2.5" lift in the rear > > I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of > another man, nor ask another man to live for mine > - Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:07:42 -0500 From: "K BOCK" Subject: xj: tools .. good ones people, I have broken down and tried a gimic .. and found out that it was not a gimic... every one here works on their rig...like I. I am also a A/P and I Get a tool account that is way above the limit.. I only buy snap-on or mac because I can and have a tool account with 0% interest..ect... .. but .. If tomorrow I had to only carry one set of wrenches these would be them ... Gear Wrench ....you can buy them at Sears not that expensive and work great.. you can by 4 closed end or 8 open end for around 50 bucks. They run circles around the old metal bulky ones your dad used or you yousta use.. go take a look at them .. they also come in dog bones. however after speaking with the mac man .. who sold them to me he said don't go breaking old bolts and nuts loose with them .. "out of thousands of sets I've sold only taken back a hand full" bock _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:20:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W." Subject: Re: xj: tools .. good ones K BOCK wrote: > I am also a A/P and I Get a tool account that is way above the limit.. Cool! I'm an A&P also... but now I work as an inspector, so there's no need for tools -at- work. (Even out mechanics don't have their own tools -at- work anymore... as part of our tool control program, the Company now provides everything - and all hand tools are Snap-On.) I'd been eyeing those gear wrenches when I've been in NAPA wondering if they were worthwhile... Paul Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: xj: hydraulic driven fan (from allexperts.com) Danny Hanor AsksSubject: New Jeep Grand Cherokee 2001Question: The new Jeep Grand Cherokee's run their cooling fan off of the power steering pump. What is the benifit or reason they decided to use a hydraulic fan? I think the engine is a 4.7 Power Tech Engine. If you don't have the answer, were could I find it? Thanks     Dan A: This is a new one on me! Possibly john-at-wagoneers.com, or someone on the AMC-list (http://www.amxfiles.com) may be able to answer it. I'll pass it on and let you know if I find out anything (sounds interesting! The pump is dragging power anyway, so it may as well be put to use!) ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10, '86 Comanche http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:08:11 -0800 From: "Phil M." Subject: Re: xj: Cherokee holsters How about something integrated into the front of the driver's seat? I'm thinking like a pocket running up and down between the knees. I usually don't have anyone with me and have a "fanny pack" holster that sets on the seat next to me. Or if you want to get real obvious you can get a polymer molded holster (Safariland is one of a few who make them) and mount it to the side of the console, down near the transfer case lever. I'm entertaining different ideas. I talked to a gal at work who knows a guy who is a safe manufacturer. She told him what kind of safe I was looking for in the XJ. Basically I'm looking for something to fit in the passenger side floor (4-door) and take up the entire basin of that side. I'd just put the floor mat over the top of it. It won't really be concealed by all means, but it will have a top opening "lid." He said that it would be about $125-150 for it and he could put whatever kind of lock on it I prefer. I'll keep you all posted on that. Phil - ----Original Message Follows---- From: ChutetheMall-at-aol.com Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Cherokee holsters Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:46:40 EST In a message dated 1/5/01 6:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpeterse1-at-home.com writes: > Gun talk is good "Whoops I mean Jeep Security System" to keep it list legal. I've seen long discussions about the cup holder problems in XJ's. What about the gun holder problems? Neither the doors nor the seats have pockets, except that flat pocket on the rear of the front seats, and that isn't thick enough to hold anything thicker than a P-32 anyway. Besides, it is blocked when the rear seat is folded down. The console is always too full of other junk, including drinks and napkins, and the glove box is too obvious. I'd like to add a deep, dark pocket to the bottom front of the drivers seat where I could conceal a full size pistol, er, I mean cell phone. Has anybody found any good solutions? Or a way to stash a radar detector or an inch or two of CD's for anyone who hates guns. When I'm feeling down, I like to whistle. It makes the neighbor's dog run to the end of his chain and gag himself. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:10:26 -0800 From: "Phil M." Subject: Re: xj: Greatest Dana 30? *DROOL* - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dan Starc" (by way of john ) Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net, fsj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Greatest Dana 30? Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:57:33 -0800 passing this along for Dan (the turtle man... see the gone turtle section... ;) john ---------------- Hi Folks I have possibly the greatest setup for a Dana 30 and I need to sell it. It's from a Cherokee XJ. It's a simple bolt-on, drop-in process for most Cherokees and Comanches. Absolutely NO MODIFICATIONS required. Here are the specs: Dana 30 front hi-pinion housing Dana-Spicer 4.56 gears (new) ARB air locker (new) Warn hub kit Warn chromemoly inner shafts Warn chromemoly outer shafts Dana-Spicer 297X (Dana 44) U-joints (new) Lower control arm mounts have custom skidplating Dana-Spicer ball joints (all new) Spares (included in price): Warn hub, Warn hub o-rings, L & R side inner and outer shafts (one of each), U-joints (4), ARB plumbing parts. basically everything needed for hard-core wheeling. There's no better setup than this one for a Dana 30. You're looking at over $2500 in parts alone, not even including the housing. Here's the deal: I am asking $1250 firm, and you pick up the shipping from Kirkland, Washington. Truck shipping is extremely reasonable, probably around $100 or so to just about anywhere in the US. If interested, please contact me at danstarc-at-aa.net dstarc-at-icos.com (425) 487-6322 evenings PST (206) 713-2222 days Thanks, Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:17:10 -0800 From: "Jason Wolfe" Subject: Re: xj: misc from the last digest I'm fairly new to this list so i didn'nt know. So now I know:-) I'm gonna put your name on my web site along with Pauls. I have not got any other posts from this list though. Maybe they will respond. - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: john Sent: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:15:26 -0800 To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: misc from the last digest Jason... aren't most of us on the XJ list from Washington??? :)    you, me, phil, paul...  :)  matt's down in portland, or was... phil, you're getting paid for only 10%... I've been robbed... :(  They wouldn't let me back in the reserves but wouldn't pay me for my 10% on my left leg! bill, I forwarded your gwagen question to the dieselbenz list...  I'm interested in it if you're not... especially if the price is right... :) thanx for the info paul... cast iron gear driven transfer case... hmmm, sounds like ballast... ;) It would be nice if there were a big book on transfer cases and transmissions. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------             http://www.WAGONEERS.com/  Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...      jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - ---- End Original Message ---- Jason Wolfe Lake Stevens, WA '89 XJ Limited Mainly stock w/ the exception of a 2nd gear switch and homemade quick disco's, Kenwood CD player and speakers, and a JCWhitney/RC lift waiting to be put on. http://hookedonjeeps.freeyellow.com E-mail account today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:21:30 -0800 From: "Phil M." Subject: correction -was- xj: Cherokee holsters Correction: That would be passenger side, REAR floor. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Phil M." Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Cherokee holsters Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 01:08:11 -0800 How about something integrated into the front of the driver's seat? I'm thinking like a pocket running up and down between the knees. I usually don't have anyone with me and have a "fanny pack" holster that sets on the seat next to me. Or if you want to get real obvious you can get a polymer molded holster (Safariland is one of a few who make them) and mount it to the side of the console, down near the transfer case lever. I'm entertaining different ideas. I talked to a gal at work who knows a guy who is a safe manufacturer. She told him what kind of safe I was looking for in the XJ. Basically I'm looking for something to fit in the passenger side floor (4-door) and take up the entire basin of that side. I'd just put the floor mat over the top of it. It won't really be concealed by all means, but it will have a top opening "lid." He said that it would be about $125-150 for it and he could put whatever kind of lock on it I prefer. I'll keep you all posted on that. Phil - ----Original Message Follows---- From: ChutetheMall-at-aol.com Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Cherokee holsters Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:46:40 EST In a message dated 1/5/01 6:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpeterse1-at-home.com writes: > Gun talk is good "Whoops I mean Jeep Security System" to keep it list legal. I've seen long discussions about the cup holder problems in XJ's. What about the gun holder problems? Neither the doors nor the seats have pockets, except that flat pocket on the rear of the front seats, and that isn't thick enough to hold anything thicker than a P-32 anyway. Besides, it is blocked when the rear seat is folded down. The console is always too full of other junk, including drinks and napkins, and the glove box is too obvious. I'd like to add a deep, dark pocket to the bottom front of the drivers seat where I could conceal a full size pistol, er, I mean cell phone. Has anybody found any good solutions? Or a way to stash a radar detector or an inch or two of CD's for anyone who hates guns. When I'm feeling down, I like to whistle. It makes the neighbor's dog run to the end of his chain and gag himself. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 01:23:08 -0800 From: "Jason Wolfe" Subject: Re: xj: misc from the last digest Woops my bad. I have not checked my e-mail all day...It's now 1:25am. I guess I did get posts from others on the list. I got Rob, forgott about Shawn, and also got Alan. - ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: "Phil M." Sent: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:53:28 -0800 To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: misc from the last digest John, I'm appealing it.  Not enough for what I have, IMHO. And don't forget Rob "Lutin Plunder" Dome from Kent, as well as Shawn Crull from Vancouver, WA....... ......and yes, we consider Alan Chung to be from here too. :o) Phil - ----Original Message Follows---- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: misc from the last digest Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:15:26 -0800 Jason... aren't most of us on the XJ list from Washington??? :)    you, me, phil, paul...  :)  matt's down in portland, or was... phil, you're getting paid for only 10%... I've been robbed... :(  They wouldn't let me back in the reserves but wouldn't pay me for my 10% on my left leg! bill, I forwarded your gwagen question to the dieselbenz list...  I'm interested in it if you're not... especially if the price is right... :) thanx for the info paul... cast iron gear driven transfer case... hmmm, sounds like ballast... ;) It would be nice if there were a big book on transfer cases and transmissions. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------             http://www.WAGONEERS.com/  Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...      jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ---- End Original Message ---- Jason Wolfe Lake Stevens, WA '89 XJ Limited Mainly stock w/ the exception of a 2nd gear switch and homemade quick disco's, Kenwood CD player and speakers, and a JCWhitney/RC lift waiting to be put on. http://hookedonjeeps.freeyellow.com E-mail account today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 08:52:07 -0400 From: samfans Subject: Re: xj: tools .. good ones This is good news. I had tried the "quick wrench" types - completely useless. They're the kind of wrenched that work well only in full access clean and loose conditions where you could spin it on with one twist of your fingers anyway. Bob Villa is an idiot. I just can't abide anyone, famous or not, endorsing a product he has to know is crap. That makes him a liar, fool, or a whore. Sorry - - got ranting there. Bill Loves tools even more than Jeeps !! "Paul W." wrote: > K BOCK wrote: > > I am also a A/P and I Get a tool account that is way above the limit.. > > Cool! I'm an A&P also... but now I work as an inspector, so there's no need > for tools -at- work. (Even out mechanics don't have their own tools -at- work > anymore... as part of our tool control program, the Company now provides > everything - and all hand tools are Snap-On.) > > I'd been eyeing those gear wrenches when I've been in NAPA wondering if they > were worthwhile... > > Paul > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:14:20 EST From: S1120-at-aol.com Subject: Re: xj: tools .. good ones In a message dated 01/07/2001 7:52:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, samfans-at-sprint.ca writes: << I'd been eyeing those gear wrenches when I've been in NAPA wondering if they > were worthwhile... >> I work at a VW/ Mazda dealer, and a few of the tech's have gotten them. They love them. One guy has had them for over a year, and has not busted one. I need to get a set. Paul Bradway 86 Cherokee 72 LTD convertible 70 Mustang ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:20:47 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: xj: Re: '89 XJ, rear struts Corey, I've had to replace these a couple of times in the winter when they fail and it's a lot easier to just get new ones from Checkers or your local auto parts store for cheap. Seems like they were $20, but don't remember whether that was each or for both and they last for a long time when you replace them in pairs. Otherwise, any year from at least 87-96 will fit, and probably 84-2001. Aaron Aaron Storms Black Hawk, CO aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: C B To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: xj: '89 XJ > Can someone please tell me what compatible years will > fit my 1989 XJ for parts? > > The reason I ask is that I'm going to scour junkyards > for some rear hatch shocks and it would be nice to > know what years will fit. > > Thanks, > > Corey > '89 Cherokee > Get your free -at-yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:47:03 -0500 From: "Steve" Subject: xj: Re: XJ:Intros Steve Ford Macon, Georgia 94 XJ Sport 2WD, AT Sadly stock, except for stereo 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 11:12:43 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: XJ question it's a 4.0L. sounds like he has a bad Oxygen Sensor, clogged catalytic converter, bad injectors or leaking o-rings, or some other malfunctioning engine sensor, or he needs to remove the lead soles from his shoes... ;) even with a lift, bigger tires and a heavy foot mine gets 15 to 16 mpg... john At 11:04 AM 1/7/01 -0700, Andy wrote: >Hey john, > >The mechanic at work is bugging me (since I know jeeps) to help him out with >his baby jeep. He's got an 88 4 dr Cherokee, w/ the EFI I6 (4.0? 4.2? I >dunno) and selectrac. His problem with it is the fuel mileage... Heh, my FSJ >whoops his baby jeep, He's getting about 10mpg in town. His line of >questioning started with a hub conversion, and went on to engine swaps. >Maybe you've got a better idea as to what the problem might be? I would >think the I6 in that little toy would make somewhat better fuel economy than >what he's getting... > >Any help would be appreciated, > >Andy >79 Wagoneer LTD "Shake N Bake" >Calgary Alberta Canada (Eh!) - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:30:11 -0600 From: Doug Wright Subject: xj: Factory Service Manuals I got several of the factory service manuals for Christmas, and I am wondering if I have the correct ones for my 88 XJ w/ I-6 engine. The big main one was revised in 85, and doesn't include any info on the 4.0L I6, so I'm not sure this is right. I also got a separate manual for the body which was also revised in 85. The electrical manual is correct, since is says 1988 on the cover and the MPI manual is the right one. Is there a manual for the 88 or should I try and get the one for the 89? Also, where can I purchase a copy of the Renix manual? Thanks, Doug doug-at-hammerdesigns.net ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2001 14:10:07 -0800 From: Dre Subject: xj: Some Qs / Intro Any one of you guys running a header with their 4.0L HO? Summitoffroad sells the doug thorley. the one I've heard people rave about is the borla stainless. any good or bad about either brand? any good or bad regarding having a header under the hood? one thing I don't have to worry about is the spark plug clearance. how about the extra heat? what are the concerns about having a header? opinions about headers that you guys have used/are using? thanks Andre Susanto Portland, PSU student '81 Chevy K20 stepside '91 XJ, fairly stock, 42:1 crawl, 31x10.50 trail handler '62 Scout 80 4x4, stock hard top '62 Scout 80 4x4, stock hard top, snow plow hydraulics Andre Susanto Fairly stock '91XJ 31x10.50 Sears Trailhandler II 4.0L, NP231, AX15, 42:1 crawl ratio Custom pinstriping and body work by : Mother Nature Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:16:44 -0800 From: Mike G Subject: Re: xj: '89 XJ You're better off getting new ones though. Why buy half as ones that will last a few months, maybe longer, if you can get brand new ones for a little more and will last years. Don't even bother. C B wrote: > > Can someone please tell me what compatible years will > fit my 1989 XJ for parts? > > The reason I ask is that I'm going to scour junkyards > for some rear hatch shocks and it would be nice to > know what years will fit. > > Thanks, > > Corey > '89 Cherokee > Get your free -at-yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- Mike Gagos email: mike-g-at-mike-g.net web: http://www.mike-g.net/ ICQ: 1734225 89XJ 5" Lift/Tech/More: http://www.mike-g.net/jeep/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:19:52 -0800 From: Mike G Subject: Re: xj: Insuring Lifted Vehicles Are you stupid or somthing? *stupid is as a stupid does* You told the insurance lady you were gonna lift yer rig? haha Gee, if the insurance co new what mine looked like now. Robert Glover wrote: > > When I called yesterday to have my "new" '84 XJ added to my car insurance > policy (I'm with Nationwide), I got lectured by the lady when I told her I > might put a lift on it at some point. She said that Nationwide will NOT > insure any vehicle that has been lifted due to safety reasons, blah, blah, > blah. I didn't bother arguing with her and just said, "okay, so it won't > get a lift." Of course, I was lying through my teeth. > > 'Course, she also told me that they count moving violations for FIVE YEARS, > as opposed to the three that they appear on your license. Talk about a load > of crap. And I have two dropping off by the time my policy expires in May. > > What it really means is that in five months when this policy is up for > renewal, I'll be looking for a new company. Anybody have any > recommendations on more accomodating ones? I've already been with > Progressive and didn't like them (they will surcharge you for comp claims). > > Rob - -- Mike Gagos email: mike-g-at-mike-g.net web: http://www.mike-g.net/ ICQ: 1734225 89XJ 5" Lift/Tech/More: http://www.mike-g.net/jeep/ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1051 *************************