From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 4 09:54:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (IDENT:exim-at-krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by virtual-cafe (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30028 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:32:01 -0800 Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16B5Pq-00086e-00 for xj-digest-outgoing-at-digest.net; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:34:38 -0500 From: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net (xj-digest) To: xj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: xj-digest V1 #1320 Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net Sender: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:34:38 -0500 X-Keywords: X-UID: 1760 xj-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1320 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... RE: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... xj: Michelin Cross Terrain Tires vs. LTX ATs xj: RE: Michelin Cross Terrain Tires vs. LTX ATs xj: administrivia: if you miss email, bellsouth.net outage, etc. xj: Re: looking for XJ information XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:02:23 -0400 From: "samfans" Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... Funny story Sean ! I can just imagine the wife's face !! Like the time I set her microwave on fire trying to "soften" a rubber bushing....apparently 30 seconds it tooo long :-) Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... > I know this will probably sound like a commercial.... but try > Oxy-Clean... I never believed the commercials until I tried it for > myself after trying everything else. I was out working on my truck and > unknowingly stepped in the oil stain in the driveway. I had to come in > to use the bathroom and when I came out, saw 3 or 4 size 13 oil & grease > stains on our light grey carpeting... Needless to say, my wife was not > very happy with me :) I tried water with dish soap which did minimal > damage to the stain... I tried Capture, 409, Fantastic, Simple Green > (full strength) and still minimal stain removal. Desperate, I bought a > little 2 pound bucket of Oxy-Clean crystals... mixed up a small amount > (about 1/4 scoop) with 8 oz of hot water in a squirt bottle... > miraculous is the only way I can describe it. > Good luck. > > Sean B. > Schenectady, NY > > > Tom Moulder wrote: > > > There are a lot of degreasers out there - have you tried the favorite > > they used in Alaska to clean the oily tar residue off the birds, > > animals, rocks, etc. after the Valdez crashed - Dawn dishwashing liquid. > > I'd try removing the belts from the Jeep and soaking them in Dawn - > > couldn't hurt... I know there are other products that have oil eating > > enzymes. I guess you just have to be careful they don't deteriorate the > > material used for the belts. > > > > Raj Boaz wrote: > > > >> Well, the problem with these is, they're tan in color, and the previous > >> owner has apparently been slamming the door on them for many years. The > >> result is a black stain all over the belts from the lube in the door > >> striker. They still work fine, they're just really ugly. I've tried > >> everything to clean them with no luck. > >> > >> Thanks for the info though! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:46:36 -0500 From: "Chris Wilson" Subject: RE: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... ROFLMAO!! You've made my night...my sides hurt. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of samfans Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:02 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... Funny story Sean ! I can just imagine the wife's face !! Like the time I set her microwave on fire trying to "soften" a rubber bushing....apparently 30 seconds it tooo long :-) Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... > I know this will probably sound like a commercial.... but try > Oxy-Clean... I never believed the commercials until I tried it for > myself after trying everything else. I was out working on my truck and > unknowingly stepped in the oil stain in the driveway. I had to come in > to use the bathroom and when I came out, saw 3 or 4 size 13 oil & grease > stains on our light grey carpeting... Needless to say, my wife was not > very happy with me :) I tried water with dish soap which did minimal > damage to the stain... I tried Capture, 409, Fantastic, Simple Green > (full strength) and still minimal stain removal. Desperate, I bought a > little 2 pound bucket of Oxy-Clean crystals... mixed up a small amount > (about 1/4 scoop) with 8 oz of hot water in a squirt bottle... > miraculous is the only way I can describe it. > Good luck. > > Sean B. > Schenectady, NY > > > Tom Moulder wrote: > > > There are a lot of degreasers out there - have you tried the favorite > > they used in Alaska to clean the oily tar residue off the birds, > > animals, rocks, etc. after the Valdez crashed - Dawn dishwashing liquid. > > I'd try removing the belts from the Jeep and soaking them in Dawn - > > couldn't hurt... I know there are other products that have oil eating > > enzymes. I guess you just have to be careful they don't deteriorate the > > material used for the belts. > > > > Raj Boaz wrote: > > > >> Well, the problem with these is, they're tan in color, and the previous > >> owner has apparently been slamming the door on them for many years. The > >> result is a black stain all over the belts from the lube in the door > >> striker. They still work fine, they're just really ugly. I've tried > >> everything to clean them with no luck. > >> > >> Thanks for the info though! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:38:14 -0600 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... heh, heh...Bill, read this to my fam and we all had a good laugh. At least no one can accuse you of not being a problem solver, sort of...:) Aaron - ---------- >From: "samfans" >To: >Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... >Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2001, 4:02 PM > >Funny story Sean ! > >I can just imagine the wife's face !! > >Like the time I set her microwave on fire trying to "soften" a rubber >bushing....apparently 30 seconds it tooo long :-) > >Bill >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sean >To: >Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:29 PM >Subject: Re: xj: Re: RE: Small XJ stuff needed.... > > >> I know this will probably sound like a commercial.... but try >> Oxy-Clean... I never believed the commercials until I tried it for >> myself after trying everything else. I was out working on my truck and >> unknowingly stepped in the oil stain in the driveway. I had to come in >> to use the bathroom and when I came out, saw 3 or 4 size 13 oil & grease >> stains on our light grey carpeting... Needless to say, my wife was not >> very happy with me :) I tried water with dish soap which did minimal >> damage to the stain... I tried Capture, 409, Fantastic, Simple Green >> (full strength) and still minimal stain removal. Desperate, I bought a >> little 2 pound bucket of Oxy-Clean crystals... mixed up a small amount >> (about 1/4 scoop) with 8 oz of hot water in a squirt bottle... >> miraculous is the only way I can describe it. >> Good luck. >> >> Sean B. >> Schenectady, NY >> >> >> Tom Moulder wrote: >> >> > There are a lot of degreasers out there - have you tried the favorite >> > they used in Alaska to clean the oily tar residue off the birds, >> > animals, rocks, etc. after the Valdez crashed - Dawn dishwashing liquid. >> > I'd try removing the belts from the Jeep and soaking them in Dawn - >> > couldn't hurt... I know there are other products that have oil eating >> > enzymes. I guess you just have to be careful they don't deteriorate the >> > material used for the belts. >> > >> > Raj Boaz wrote: >> > >> >> Well, the problem with these is, they're tan in color, and the previous >> >> owner has apparently been slamming the door on them for many years. >The >> >> result is a black stain all over the belts from the lube in the door >> >> striker. They still work fine, they're just really ugly. I've tried >> >> everything to clean them with no luck. >> >> >> >> Thanks for the info though! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:10:04 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Michelin Cross Terrain Tires vs. LTX ATs I've found that Michelin and BFG tires (same company) seem to work the best overall. They hold up well, perform well on wet roads (BFG ATs when siped), are quiet and ride nicely... The yokohama geolanders I have now are pretty decent, at least on the road and in snow, off-road they're pretty useless. The yoko superdigger IV's I had on a big GM 4x4 were pretty decent, but were replaced with the V's years ago... :( Looking at the tires recommended on the michelin site I found the Cross Terrain SUVs- the details below are for the SR, the HR - didn't score as high... (they had three options, passenger car ride, all-around and high performance or something like that...) P245/70R16 was the tire I was looking at... ranking 1 - 10 (according to michelin) TIRE: LTX M/S - CT/SR ================================= Wet - 7 - 9 - important handling - 8 - 9 - important QUIET - 9 - 10 - important high perf - 7 - 8 off-road - 7 - 6 winter - 8 - 10 max tread life - 9 - 9 mud - 7 - 6 - ----------------------------------------------------- overall score 7.7 - 8.9 Michelin Cross Terrain Tires 245/70R16 Cross Terrain http://tires.michelin-us.com/catalog/tires/crossTerrainSUV.html Michelin LTX A/Ts (have these on my J10, very good tires) http://tires.michelin-us.com/catalog/tires/ltxms.html 4wheelparts - (thanx jim for the link) list: $149.95 sale $119.95 http://www.4wheelparts.com/tires_info.asp?sku=MIC97768&brand=MICHELIN - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 05:36:06 -0500 From: "Chris Wilson" Subject: xj: RE: Michelin Cross Terrain Tires vs. LTX ATs Hey John, Which Geolanders are you using? I've heard great things about the MT's I use the AT+ and have had good results...not outstanding but decent... - --Chris Tampa XJ'er - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:10 AM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: xj: Michelin Cross Terrain Tires vs. LTX ATs I've found that Michelin and BFG tires (same company) seem to work the best overall. They hold up well, perform well on wet roads (BFG ATs when siped), are quiet and ride nicely... The yokohama geolanders I have now are pretty decent, at least on the road and in snow, off-road they're pretty useless. The yoko superdigger IV's I had on a big GM 4x4 were pretty decent, but were replaced with the V's years ago... :( Looking at the tires recommended on the michelin site I found the Cross Terrain SUVs- the details below are for the SR, the HR - didn't score as high... (they had three options, passenger car ride, all-around and high performance or something like that...) P245/70R16 was the tire I was looking at... ranking 1 - 10 (according to michelin) TIRE: LTX M/S - CT/SR ================================= Wet - 7 - 9 - important handling - 8 - 9 - important QUIET - 9 - 10 - important high perf - 7 - 8 off-road - 7 - 6 winter - 8 - 10 max tread life - 9 - 9 mud - 7 - 6 - ----------------------------------------------------- overall score 7.7 - 8.9 Michelin Cross Terrain Tires 245/70R16 Cross Terrain http://tires.michelin-us.com/catalog/tires/crossTerrainSUV.html Michelin LTX A/Ts (have these on my J10, very good tires) http://tires.michelin-us.com/catalog/tires/ltxms.html 4wheelparts - (thanx jim for the link) list: $149.95 sale $119.95 http://www.4wheelparts.com/tires_info.asp?sku=MIC97768&brand=MICHELIN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:42:17 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: if you miss email, bellsouth.net outage, etc. an incident has occurred this morning which exemplifies a classic mistake at an ISP -- bellsouth has made a small change in their mail config, one which probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but which has effectively prevented bellsouth subscribers from receiving any digest.net mailing lists. once this happens, it's hard for me to notify the affected users. therefore, i'd like to let all of you (except the bell south users who probably won't see this) know that when you don't see digests for a while, please check the top level page at http://www.digest.net/ to see if you are a victim of a larger outage. i'm posting a note for bellsouth.net subscribers there, but have no way to get them to go look at it. sigh, richard - -- Richard Welty Averill Park Networking rwelty-at-averillpark.net Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com 518-573-7592 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:30:08 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: looking for XJ information At 06:09 PM 12/3/01 -0800, Fitzgearld, Fredric fredric.fitzgearld-at-intel.com wrote: >I hope this address is still good.... yep >Hope all is well with you. yep >I'm thinking about buying an XJ. I have about $1000. :) thinking is pretty much all that you'll do. with $1,500 you might find one... and it'll be rough or with lots and lots of mileage, but shop around, you might get an '87 or so for that amount. 4.0L's were introduced in '87. >As you may remember, I'm more interested in rock crawling... >What I'm looking for: >- 4 doors >- 4.0L with EFI >- Auto tranny (if that's even an option) yep, an excellent tranny... Aisin Warner 30-40LE >- If AT is not possible, a t-case with lower gears offered after market. >- Cheap now, but could be built to be respectable later. >I can never remember if "select-trac" was the one I want. I prefer they're good. command trac is the "cheaper" unit, part time system np231, the selectrac is np242, my choice too. >Automatic tranies on the trail. Will the AT's survive with additional >coolers? even without coolers, they're good... synthetic ATF and an extra cooler helps too. >With this information, what years and options am I looking for? '87 and up >If you have web pages to point me to, that would be great too. http://wagoneers.com/XJ there's some folks on the list who have some great pages too, see the digests (off of XJ on my server for the links) >You know, maybe I should join the XJ list for a bit. good plan. I'm down to one functioning WJ right now, my J10 is in resto. john >Thanks, >FEF - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1320 *************************