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xj-digest         Saturday, December 8 2001         Volume 01 : Number 1324



Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers
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       Digest Coordinator

Contents:

	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	xj: 2.5L MMMMMMMMISSING
	xj: Re: Help
	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	Re: xj: 2.5L MMMMMMMMISSING
	Re: xj: 2.5L MMMMMMMMISSING
	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	Re: xj: TP$ ?
	RE: xj: Steering Parts

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:46:01 -0800 (PST)
From: mark jones <senojkram-at-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

I bought one at the dealer for my '88 and it was $64.
But them he said I needed a new harness which was an
extra 20 bones.


- --- Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com> wrote:
> Mike, I just called every parts store in Denver this
> weekend and got prices
> for my 5-speed 88xj ranging from $60 at Autozone to
> $110 at the dealer. I
> ended up calling an xj bud who's a svc mgr at one of
> the Dodge truck
> dealerships on Mon and he ordered one in for me for
> $75 with tax. Aaron
> 
> ----------
> >From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
> >To: <xj-at-digest.net>, <socalxj-at-yahoogroups.com>,
> <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
> >Subject: xj: TP$ ?
> >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 12:34 PM
> >
> 
> >Where are all of you getting your throttle position
> sensors and how much ?
> >
> >I called one palce and went in to two:
> >
> >Kragen- 59.99
> >Autoparts- 64.50
> >Napa 84.00
> >
> >Of course, Kragen was the first place I went to,
> but I thought it was 
> >too much money, so I went elsewhere. Dare I ask
> what the steal-er 
> >dealer charges?
> >
> >---
> >mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> >http://www.mike-g.net/
> ><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> >Too much to list, check my site
> >for more information
Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 13:58:53 -0800
From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

Hmm, I see. Why didn't u just go with Autozone? Funny thing is, My autozone wanted 85, but Kragen wanted 60.

- ---
mike-g-at-mike-g.net
http://www.mike-g.net/
<start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
Too much to list, check my site
for more information
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com>
To: <xj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?


> Mike, I just called every parts store in Denver this weekend and got prices
> for my 5-speed 88xj ranging from $60 at Autozone to $110 at the dealer. I
> ended up calling an xj bud who's a svc mgr at one of the Dodge truck
> dealerships on Mon and he ordered one in for me for $75 with tax. Aaron
> 
> ----------
> >From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
> >To: <xj-at-digest.net>, <socalxj-at-yahoogroups.com>, <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
> >Subject: xj: TP$ ?
> >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 12:34 PM
> >
> 
> >Where are all of you getting your throttle position sensors and how much ?
> >
> >I called one palce and went in to two:
> >
> >Kragen- 59.99
> >Autoparts- 64.50
> >Napa 84.00
> >
> >Of course, Kragen was the first place I went to, but I thought it was 
> >too much money, so I went elsewhere. Dare I ask what the steal-er 
> >dealer charges?
> >
> >---
> >mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> >http://www.mike-g.net/
> ><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> >Too much to list, check my site
> >for more information

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 19:06:31 EST
From: S1120-at-aol.com
Subject: xj: 2.5L MMMMMMMMISSING

Hi guys. I am having a problem with my 86 Cherokee. It is a 2.5L with fi and 
has 220k on it. My problem is a mis when under load. Here is a list of what I 
have changed. Plugs, cap, rotor, wires, fuel filter. I have also replaced the 
coil, it looked like it was firing through the case of the coil into the 
module. The coil helped a lot, but it is still skipping. Any other ideas? I 
did do a compression check and all looked good, 120-130 psi, dam good for 
220k. I don't want to keep throwing parts at it, I would like to go in with a 
little more info. HELPPPP!!!!! Thanks

Paul Bradway
86 Cherokee

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:30:48 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: xj: Re: Help

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, bart pellegrini wrote:


most likely not.  the '85 trans (automatic) is
different than the one used in the '88.

not sure what you mean by long and short case... the
xfr cases may be the same, np231 for example, but the input
shafts will be different spline count and possibly length.

the '85 used a chrysler torqueflite 999 or 904, the
88 used the much SUPERIOR  - Aisin Warner 30-80LE   

john

>-->
>-->I ran across your web page and hope you can help me
, will the transfer case out of a 1985 Jeep Cherokee Laredo (long case) 
fit in a 1988 Jeep Wagoneer Limited (short case).  Please call or email if you can help me out.
>-->
>-->989-348-1858
>-->
>-->Bart Pellegrini
>-->
>-->
>-->
>-->Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings.

    ----

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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:37:54 -0600
From: "Aaron Storms" <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

huh? There's no need for a new harness unless yours has been damaged somehow
- - just unscrew two torx screws, unplug the harness, clean everything with
intake cleaner and put everything back the way you found it. On the 87's
thru 92(?), you'll need to make sure the little spring-loaded lever on the
new TPS is under the retaining arm on the throttle body. Fire that baby up
and she's as good as new - no more 2700rpms or barely idling! Aaron

- ----------
>From: mark jones <senojkram-at-yahoo.com>
>To: xj-at-digest.net
>Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?
>Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 2:46 PM
>

>I bought one at the dealer for my '88 and it was $64.
>But them he said I needed a new harness which was an
>extra 20 bones.
>
>
>--- Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Mike, I just called every parts store in Denver this
>> weekend and got prices
>> for my 5-speed 88xj ranging from $60 at Autozone to
>> $110 at the dealer. I
>> ended up calling an xj bud who's a svc mgr at one of
>> the Dodge truck
>> dealerships on Mon and he ordered one in for me for
>> $75 with tax. Aaron
>> 
>> ----------
>> >From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
>> >To: <xj-at-digest.net>, <socalxj-at-yahoogroups.com>,
>> <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
>> >Subject: xj: TP$ ?
>> >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 12:34 PM
>> >
>> 
>> >Where are all of you getting your throttle position
>> sensors and how much ?
>> >
>> >I called one palce and went in to two:
>> >
>> >Kragen- 59.99
>> >Autoparts- 64.50
>> >Napa 84.00
>> >
>> >Of course, Kragen was the first place I went to,
>> but I thought it was 
>> >too much money, so I went elsewhere. Dare I ask
>> what the steal-er 
>> >dealer charges?
>> >
>> >---
>> >mike-g-at-mike-g.net
>> >http://www.mike-g.net/
>> ><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
>> >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
>> >Too much to list, check my site
>> >for more information
>Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
>http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 21:39:49 -0600
From: "Aaron Storms" <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

Everyone had to order it, and the dealer had the fastest delivery time.
Plus, I was a little skeptical that the parts guy at Autozone was really
quoting me on the correct 5-speed vs of the TPS instead of the cheaper auto
vs, since everyone else had such a difference in price. Aaron

- ----------
>From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
>To: <xj-at-digest.net>
>Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?
>Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 3:58 PM
>

>Hmm, I see. Why didn't u just go with Autozone? Funny thing is, My autozone 
>wanted 85, but Kragen wanted 60.
>
>---
>mike-g-at-mike-g.net
>http://www.mike-g.net/
><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
>5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
>Too much to list, check my site
>for more information
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com>
>To: <xj-at-digest.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:24 PM
>Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?
>
>
>> Mike, I just called every parts store in Denver this weekend and got prices
>> for my 5-speed 88xj ranging from $60 at Autozone to $110 at the dealer. I
>> ended up calling an xj bud who's a svc mgr at one of the Dodge truck
>> dealerships on Mon and he ordered one in for me for $75 with tax. Aaron
>> 
>> ----------
>> >From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
>> >To: <xj-at-digest.net>, <socalxj-at-yahoogroups.com>, <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
>> >Subject: xj: TP$ ?
>> >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 12:34 PM
>> >
>> 
>> >Where are all of you getting your throttle position sensors and how much ?
>> >
>> >I called one palce and went in to two:
>> >
>> >Kragen- 59.99
>> >Autoparts- 64.50
>> >Napa 84.00
>> >
>> >Of course, Kragen was the first place I went to, but I thought it was 
>> >too much money, so I went elsewhere. Dare I ask what the steal-er 
>> >dealer charges?
>> >
>> >---
>> >mike-g-at-mike-g.net
>> >http://www.mike-g.net/
>> ><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
>> >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
>> >Too much to list, check my site
>> >for more information

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:45:41 -0700 (MST)
From: JEEPHEAD93-at-webtv.net
Subject: Re: xj: 2.5L MMMMMMMMISSING

Hey Paul, I had a similar problem a while ago. I also thought my coil
was arching, not the case. Check the plug that goes to the coil. Both of
the wires on mne were corroded and I had to replace the whole plug with
a new pig-tail. Also check to make sue your alternator is putting out
the right amps. Mine was hesitating alot under load and I found out that
the brushes were wearing out in the alt. Hope that helps.

Steve J.
93 XJ-2.5  
"MULE"

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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:11:43 EST
From: S1120-at-aol.com
Subject: Re: xj: 2.5L MMMMMMMMISSING

Steve,
  The pigtail on my coil goes into the ing. module that the coil mounts onto. 
Is this the same setup yours has? I will check the alt., it  is a new one 
from last year, but it was a cheepee from a rebuilder. Thanks.

Paul Bradway
86 Cherokee

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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:48:22 -0800 (PST)
From: mark jones <senojkram-at-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

That's what I said too but then he replied by saying
they had changed to a newer part that eliminated the
old harness. I guess the harness he has sold me is
different from the one I have(I haven't had time to
check yet). If not I've got a little cash coming back
to me.


- --- Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com> wrote:
> huh? There's no need for a new harness unless yours
> has been damaged somehow
> - just unscrew two torx screws, unplug the harness,
> clean everything with
> intake cleaner and put everything back the way you
> found it. On the 87's
> thru 92(?), you'll need to make sure the little
> spring-loaded lever on the
> new TPS is under the retaining arm on the throttle
> body. Fire that baby up
> and she's as good as new - no more 2700rpms or
> barely idling! Aaron
> 
> ----------
> >From: mark jones <senojkram-at-yahoo.com>
> >To: xj-at-digest.net
> >Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?
> >Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 2:46 PM
> >
> 
> >I bought one at the dealer for my '88 and it was
> $64.
> >But them he said I needed a new harness which was
> an
> >extra 20 bones.
> >
> >
> >--- Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> >> Mike, I just called every parts store in Denver
> this
> >> weekend and got prices
> >> for my 5-speed 88xj ranging from $60 at Autozone
> to
> >> $110 at the dealer. I
> >> ended up calling an xj bud who's a svc mgr at one
> of
> >> the Dodge truck
> >> dealerships on Mon and he ordered one in for me
> for
> >> $75 with tax. Aaron
> >> 
> >> ----------
> >> >From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
> >> >To: <xj-at-digest.net>, <socalxj-at-yahoogroups.com>,
> >> <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
> >> >Subject: xj: TP$ ?
> >> >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 12:34 PM
> >> >
> >> 
> >> >Where are all of you getting your throttle
> position
> >> sensors and how much ?
> >> >
> >> >I called one palce and went in to two:
> >> >
> >> >Kragen- 59.99
> >> >Autoparts- 64.50
> >> >Napa 84.00
> >> >
> >> >Of course, Kragen was the first place I went to,
> >> but I thought it was 
> >> >too much money, so I went elsewhere. Dare I ask
> >> what the steal-er 
> >> >dealer charges?
> >> >
> >> >---
> >> >mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> >> >http://www.mike-g.net/
> >> ><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> >> >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> >> >Too much to list, check my site
> >> >for more information
> >Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> >http://greetings.yahoo.com
Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
http://greetings.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 14:53:20 -0500
From: Bob Mock <xj4rocks-at-mac.com>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

let me know what's different about the harness.  I'm still trying to come 
up with a more permanent solution to marry the old harness to the newer 
style TPS ( i now have a HO motor with the old computer)

Bob


At 11:48 AM 12/7/01 -0800, you wrote:
>That's what I said too but then he replied by saying
>they had changed to a newer part that eliminated the
>old harness. I guess the harness he has sold me is
>different from the one I have(I haven't had time to
>check yet). If not I've got a little cash coming back
>to me.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:08:34 -0500
From: Jonathan Moore <jm9n-at-unix.mail.virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?

At 11:48 AM 12/7/01 -0800, you wrote:
>That's what I said too but then he replied by saying
>they had changed to a newer part that eliminated the
>old harness. I guess the harness he has sold me is
>different from the one I have(I haven't had time to
>check yet). If not I've got a little cash coming back
>to me.
>
>
>--- Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com> wrote:
> > huh? There's no need for a new harness unless yours
> > has been damaged somehow
> > - just unscrew two torx screws, unplug the harness,
> > clean everything with
> > intake cleaner and put everything back the way you
> > found it. On the 87's
> > thru 92(?), you'll need to make sure the little
> > spring-loaded lever on the
> > new TPS is under the retaining arm on the throttle
> > body. Fire that baby up
> > and she's as good as new - no more 2700rpms or
> > barely idling! Aaron
> >
> > ----------
> > >From: mark jones <senojkram-at-yahoo.com>
> > >To: xj-at-digest.net
> > >Subject: Re: xj: TP$ ?
> > >Date: Thu, Dec 6, 2001, 2:46 PM
> > >
> >
> > >I bought one at the dealer for my '88 and it was
> > $64.
> > >But them he said I needed a new harness which was
> > an
> > >extra 20 bones.
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Aaron Storms <aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Mike, I just called every parts store in Denver
> > this
> > >> weekend and got prices
> > >> for my 5-speed 88xj ranging from $60 at Autozone
> > to
> > >> $110 at the dealer. I
> > >> ended up calling an xj bud who's a svc mgr at one
> > of
> > >> the Dodge truck
> > >> dealerships on Mon and he ordered one in for me
> > for
> > >> $75 with tax. Aaron
> > >>
> > >> ----------
> > >> >From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
> > >> >To: <xj-at-digest.net>, <socalxj-at-yahoogroups.com>,
> > >> <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
> > >> >Subject: xj: TP$ ?
> > >> >Date: Wed, Dec 5, 2001, 12:34 PM
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> >Where are all of you getting your throttle
> > position
> > >> sensors and how much ?
> > >> >
> > >> >I called one palce and went in to two:
> > >> >
> > >> >Kragen- 59.99
> > >> >Autoparts- 64.50
> > >> >Napa 84.00
> > >> >
> > >> >Of course, Kragen was the first place I went to,
> > >> but I thought it was
> > >> >too much money, so I went elsewhere. Dare I ask
> > >> what the steal-er
> > >> >dealer charges?
> > >> >
> > >> >---
> > >> >mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> > >> >http://www.mike-g.net/
> > >> ><start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> > >> >5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> > >> >Too much to list, check my site
> > >> >for more information
> > >Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> > >http://greetings.yahoo.com
>Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
>http://greetings.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:41:40 -0800
From: "Whit" <bigdog-at-netdog.com>
Subject: RE: xj: Steering Parts

Pep Boys usually does have inexpensive parts, any idea who the manufacturer
is for their suspension parts?  TRW, Moog or some name I can't pronounce?

Thanks,
Whit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Bob
> Mock
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:27 PM
> To: xj-at-digest.net
> Subject: RE: xj: Steering Parts
>
>
> I bought mine at pep boys.  wasn't too overly expensive.  I've bought at
> advanced auto also.
>
> I did happen to find a shop in town here that has the genuine spicer
> parts.  I paid $22/each for tie rod ends.  I thought that was pretty good
> for orig. equip.
>
> Bob
>
> At 12:49 PM 12/5/01 -0800, you wrote:
> >Just stock stuff.
> >
> >Whit

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