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xj-digest         Thursday, December 20 2001         Volume 01 : Number 1333



Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers
       Brian Colucci <ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net>
       Digest Coordinator

Contents:

	Re: xj: raging waters... 
	xj: Re: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
	Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
	Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
	xj: ARB BullBar Install Question
	xj: I'm back with new addy etc...(somewhat off topic)
	xj: Re: ARB BullBar Install Question
	xj: Re: Steering Parts
	xj: Feb 2002 issue of Four Wheeler
	Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
	xj: Diff Guard Group Buy, LAST DAY to Order is Sat!!!

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:01:21 -0600
From: "Tom Cohrs" <TCohrs-at-krem.com>
Subject: Re: xj: raging waters... 

John, sorry about the mess.

The best fill would be what contractors call dirty pea gravel.  It is a sand
and pea gravel mix.  It will fill in with almost no compaction.  It is often
used under slab floors so they don't settle.  You will still need to fill the
trench and fix the culvert or the pea will wash out.  I would say the rims
that are in the background of your pix would make poor fill ;-)

You might see if you can attach the contractors bond.

I wish you well.
Tom Cohrs

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:04:15 -0400
From: "samfans" <samfans-at-sprint.ca>
Subject: xj: Re: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better

NC stands for "National Coarse" which is 18 Threads Per Inch (TPI)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike - G <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
To: <xj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:26 AM
Subject: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better


> Haha, yeah, I hate to say your rig does look beat! But it works :).
>
> What does NC and TPI stand for ?
>
> ---
> mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> http://www.mike-g.net/
> <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> Too much to list, check my site
> for more information
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: samfans <samfans-at-sprint.ca>
> To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 9:56 AM
> Subject: xj: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike - G <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
> > To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:51 AM
> > Subject: xj: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
> >
> >
> > > Damn Bill, you've been on the XJ list for a while, and I've watched
your
> > Jeep go up and up and up! LOL.
> >
> > It's been quite a journey !
> > >
> > > I remember when u had stock bumpers, and flares.
> >
> > I just found some old pics too - it looked nice back then !
> > >
> > > Anyhow, coud u tell me what size the front D30 cover bolts are? I got
a
> > guard, and need to pick up
> > > some bolts for it.
> >
> > 5/16 NC (18 TPI)
> >
> > Bill
> > >
> > > ---
> > > mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> > > http://www.mike-g.net/
> > > <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> > > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> > > Too much to list, check my site
> > > for more information
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: samfans <samfans-at-sprint.ca>
> > > To: <madxj-at-yahoogroups.com>; <xj-at-digest.net>;
<jeepoffroad-at-jeepwire.com>;
> > <xj-list-at-moab.off-road.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:25 PM
> > > Subject: xj: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
> > >
> > >
> > > > Put some time in recently updating the site.
> > > >
> > > > The steering articles are pretty good - something for everyone.
> > > >
> > > > check it out
> > > >
> > > > http://members.tripod.com/BillyXJ/Billstechindex.html
> > > >
> > > > Bill

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:05:19 -0400
From: "samfans" <samfans-at-sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better

same for d35 - don't know length off the top of my head - guess about 1/2"

Bill
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike - G <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
To: <xj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better


> Cool, thanks a lot! My guards came in today.
> BTW, is it the same for the D35? And do either of u guys know the stock
length? Need to add
> the thickness of the plate to that :).
>
> Thanks again
>
> ---
> mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> http://www.mike-g.net/
> <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> Too much to list, check my site
> for more information
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Moulder <adlab-at-swbell.net>
> To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:15 AM
> Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
>
>
> > Should be UNC - stands for Unified Coarse thread
> > TPI stands for Threads Per Inch
> >
> > the right designation is 5/16-18 UNC-2A x whatever length
> >
> > Mike - G wrote:
> >
> > >Haha, yeah, I hate to say your rig does look beat! But it works :).
> > >
> > >What does NC and TPI stand for ?
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Damn Bill, you've been on the XJ list for a while, and I've watched
your
> > >>>
> > >>Jeep go up and up and up! LOL.
> > >>
> > >>It's been quite a journey !
> > >>
> > >>>I remember when u had stock bumpers, and flares.
> > >>>
> > >>I just found some old pics too - it looked nice back then !
> > >>
> > >>>Anyhow, coud u tell me what size the front D30 cover bolts are? I got
a
> > >>>
> > >>guard, and need to pick up
> > >>
> > >>>some bolts for it.
> > >>>
> > >>5/16 NC (18 TPI)
> > >>
> > >>Bill
> > >>
> >
> > --
> > You can't always get what you want,
> > but if you try sometimes,
> > you just might find...
> > you get what you need.
> >
> > Tom Moulder
> > AdLab
> > 713-784-7772 phone
> > 713-784-7773 fax
> > 713-702-0686 cell

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:08:50 -0400
From: "samfans" <samfans-at-sprint.ca>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better

yep, and if it doesn't, you're not really that much behind.  Just pull them
and re-do the seal.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike - G <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
To: <xj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better


> That's true. Speaking of which, even if I pull all of them off, and
> put new ones back in, the seal is gonna hold on preaty good right?
>
> Rather not have to replace the seal and put more fluid in.
>
> ---
> mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> http://www.mike-g.net/
> <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> Too much to list, check my site
> for more information
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff <jayers-at-pctcnet.net>
> To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:03 AM
> Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
>
>
> > Mike, just pull one out and measure it.  The cover isn't going to leak
> > or fall off with one bolt missing. :)  Jeff
> >
> > Mike - G wrote:
> > >
> > > Cool, thanks a lot! My guards came in today.
> > > BTW, is it the same for the D35? And do either of u guys know the
stock length? Need to add
> > > the thickness of the plate to that :).
> > >
> > > Thanks again
> > >
> > > ---
> > > mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> > > http://www.mike-g.net/
> > > <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> > > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> > > Too much to list, check my site
> > > for more information
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Moulder <adlab-at-swbell.net>
> > > To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
> > >
> > > > Should be UNC - stands for Unified Coarse thread
> > > > TPI stands for Threads Per Inch
> > > >
> > > > the right designation is 5/16-18 UNC-2A x whatever length
> > > >
> > > > Mike - G wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Haha, yeah, I hate to say your rig does look beat! But it works :).
> > > > >
> > > > >What does NC and TPI stand for ?
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Damn Bill, you've been on the XJ list for a while, and I've
watched your
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>Jeep go up and up and up! LOL.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>It's been quite a journey !
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>I remember when u had stock bumpers, and flares.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>I just found some old pics too - it looked nice back then !
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Anyhow, coud u tell me what size the front D30 cover bolts are? I
got a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>guard, and need to pick up
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>some bolts for it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>5/16 NC (18 TPI)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Bill
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > You can't always get what you want,
> > > > but if you try sometimes,
> > > > you just might find...
> > > > you get what you need.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Moulder
> > > > AdLab
> > > > 713-784-7772 phone
> > > > 713-784-7773 fax
> > > > 713-702-0686 cell

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:55:58 -0500
From: "Chris Brown" <ChrisB-at-Drextec.com>
Subject: xj: ARB BullBar Install Question

Hi Folks ^V

I^Rm installing my ARB Bullbar on the ^R94.  I^Rm a bit confused about the mounting plates.  I understand that the factory bolt
locations are used with the plate, but there are also two additional locations for the plate to be bolted onto the front subframe
panel that connects the two front frame horns together (basically, the front of the body that you would see standing in front of the
car).  However, the holes in the body are too small to pass bolts thru, they appear to be a deliberate mismatch of two panel pieces
that are spot welded together.

If that wasn^Rt enough, I^Rm not sure if I should use the weld nut plate on this front bulkhead location or on the two forward most
bolts using the factory bumper attachment location.

Anyone done this before that wants to share?

Thanks!

Chris

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:52:52 -0800
From: "billandjennie" <billandjennie-at-attbi.com>
Subject: xj: I'm back with new addy etc...(somewhat off topic)

Hey all, this is Bill VT ruturning from the dead, literaly. I don't mean
like Nicholae Carpathia, but my old puter died a harsh death some weeks ago.
After many attempts at cpr it flatlined. I had a local computer shop
scavange what they could and build a new one with a 1g Athlon, DDR ram
mother board, XP, and other goodies for under $500! If anyone needs a good
computer guy in the southend let me know. I switched to AT&T cable on Phil's
advice and LOVE it. Hence the new address billandjennie-at-attbi.com   .  I
lost all addresses in my address book so, if you exchanged personal e-mail
with me, please send to me off list so I can put you back in. Some good news
is that I'm getting DSL and a new computer at work , so I will be able to
answer technical and manufactuer related questions faster and more
accuratly.

Bill

If it was safe, it wouldn't be fun!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:06:03 -0800
From: "billandjennie" <billandjennie-at-attbi.com>
Subject: xj: Re: ARB BullBar Install Question

Chris,
     Missmatched holes on the end of the frame are common on xj's. Just
drill them out to the right size, I believe 1/2". The weld nut plates are
for the 2 vertical bulkhead holes. you will see why you need them when you
try to put a nut in front of the steering box. You may find that you have to
grind that side down a little to make the holes line up. Welcome to the
world of "bolt on " aftermarket parts.

Bill

If it was safe, it wouldn't be fun!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:13:38 -0800
From: "billandjennie" <billandjennie-at-attbi.com>
Subject: xj: Re: Steering Parts

Whit,
     I know this is late. V-8 zj's had heavier duty likage than 6 cyls or
xj's. Yes, the hd stuff will work on xj's but it hangs much lower.

Bill

If it was safe, it wouldn't be fun!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:36:53 -0800
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: xj: Feb 2002 issue of Four Wheeler

Just got the latest issue of Four Wheeler,
         look at that, the WJ is the FWOY for 2002.   :)
   (they still haven't put a Diesel in the states in either the ML or the 
GC... :(

I'm enjoying our '99... soon  to be "hers", as my
'77 Cherokee shows up Sunday.  Hopefully
that'll hold me until SuperDawg is done...
not sure when that will be right now... :(

And WHO is that guy on page 28 in picture #11 anyway?    ;)

Totally  unnatural for three reasons:

         1) he's on the wrong side of the Jeep
         2) is that a MAP???    (what were you thinking??? sheesh... ;)
         3) he's not holding a camera  (or a reuben ;)

The only battle of the bulge we're fighting richard is in our midsection... :)
Nice pictures...  I didn't realize Patton was buried there.  Didn't he
die in Heidelberg or was it Frankfurt?  Interesting that he'd be buried there.
One of my uncles (still alive) marched across Europe with Patton.

- -------------
BTW, Beware of the latest virus coming in the form of a Christmas animation:
http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFS30BihTo0V30BEmu0Ax
- --------------

later,
john meister
         -----------------------------------------------------------
       john-at-wagoneers.com     http://wagoneers.com
  '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ
         '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg
  '77 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee
               (son's collection:   '67 J-3000,  67 Fairlane, 68 Montego)
trailers:  '74 datsun longbed, building '75 J10, selling '54 Chev stepside 
bed...
                    http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html
            Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
                   -----------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:45:46 -0800
From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better

Well, the reason I didn't want to redo it, is because I've never done it. 
But I guees it can't be too hard, just need some type of RTV right ?

- ---
mike-g-at-mike-g.net
http://www.mike-g.net/
<start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
Too much to list, check my site
for more information
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: samfans <samfans-at-sprint.ca>
To: <xj-at-digest.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better


> yep, and if it doesn't, you're not really that much behind.  Just pull them
> and re-do the seal.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike - G <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
> To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
> 
> 
> > That's true. Speaking of which, even if I pull all of them off, and
> > put new ones back in, the seal is gonna hold on preaty good right?
> >
> > Rather not have to replace the seal and put more fluid in.
> >
> > ---
> > mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> > http://www.mike-g.net/
> > <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> > Too much to list, check my site
> > for more information
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff <jayers-at-pctcnet.net>
> > To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
> >
> >
> > > Mike, just pull one out and measure it.  The cover isn't going to leak
> > > or fall off with one bolt missing. :)  Jeff
> > >
> > > Mike - G wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cool, thanks a lot! My guards came in today.
> > > > BTW, is it the same for the D35? And do either of u guys know the
> stock length? Need to add
> > > > the thickness of the plate to that :).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > mike-g-at-mike-g.net
> > > > http://www.mike-g.net/
> > > > <start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
> > > > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
> > > > Too much to list, check my site
> > > > for more information
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tom Moulder <adlab-at-swbell.net>
> > > > To: <xj-at-digest.net>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:15 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better
> > > >
> > > > > Should be UNC - stands for Unified Coarse thread
> > > > > TPI stands for Threads Per Inch
> > > > >
> > > > > the right designation is 5/16-18 UNC-2A x whatever length
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike - G wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Haha, yeah, I hate to say your rig does look beat! But it works :).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What does NC and TPI stand for ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Damn Bill, you've been on the XJ list for a while, and I've
> watched your
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>Jeep go up and up and up! LOL.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>It's been quite a journey !
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>I remember when u had stock bumpers, and flares.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>I just found some old pics too - it looked nice back then !
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>Anyhow, coud u tell me what size the front D30 cover bolts are? I
> got a
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>guard, and need to pick up
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>some bolts for it.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>5/16 NC (18 TPI)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Bill
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > You can't always get what you want,
> > > > > but if you try sometimes,
> > > > > you just might find...
> > > > > you get what you need.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom Moulder
> > > > > AdLab
> > > > > 713-784-7772 phone
> > > > > 713-784-7773 fax
> > > > > 713-702-0686 cell

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:32:58 -0800
From: "Mike - G" <mike-g-at-mike-g.net>
Subject: xj: Diff Guard Group Buy, LAST DAY to Order is Sat!!!

Just wanted to remind you guys, and for those who missed the first post, that Saturday is the last day you can order
diff guards for our XJ group buy. Standard guards are normally 65 dollars, and extreme duty is 80 dollars, but with our
group buy until Saturday is 55 dolars for the standard and 70 dollars for the extreme. 4X Doctor has these guards too,
but not the extreme, they cost the same, but u won't find a group buy deal that I set up :).  Let him know with your
payment, or buy email, what guards u want, and that your going through the XJ group buy deal that Mike G setup.

Here is the standard duty, picture next to a aluminum cover:
http://media.bigstep.com/shop/6/27/10708276/upload/1008714671374.jpg
And the extreme version:
http://media.bigstep.com/shop/6/27/10708276/upload/1008714528009.jpg

The guy says that u can't put an extreme duty on the front D30 (unless u have high clearance steering, because it will
hit the steering linkages) I opted for a Standard front D30, and a Extreme duty D35 for the rear.

Shipping for one guard is

He has paypal (for credit cards) his address is: r.pasch-at-att.net for paypal or yahoo pay direct at
ronscustomshop-at-yahoo.com

To pay by check or MO send your payment to

Ron Pasch
PO Box 28234
Mpls, MN 55428

Payments by check will be held until check clears.

Send a note with payment telling me what type and color Guard you are purchasing. Please also make sure you are getting
the right style for your application EX: standard or Extreme. Thanks.

If u have any questions, drop him a line at ronscustomshop-at-yahoo.com.

I already got mine in the mail, but havn't had a chance to look at em yet :), I'll let u all know tomorrow night (pacfc
time) thought! :)

- ---
mike-g-at-mike-g.net
http://www.mike-g.net/
<start>boom.boom.beep.beep<loop>
5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears,
Too much to list, check my site
for more information

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