From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Dec 21 22:48:55 2001 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, December 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1335 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better xj: the TD version of the WJ xj: ignition help xj: Glasspack Muffler SOUNDS CLIPS! & Pics XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:45:49 -0800 From: "Mike - G" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better Wow thanks, I do have some high-temp RTV laying around, not sure what kind. I might pull the cover anyhow, then I can count my teeth, to quadruple check that I have stock 4.56 gears. :) - --- mike-g-at-mike-g.net http://www.mike-g.net/ boom.boom.beep.beep 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, Too much to list, check my site for more information - ----- Original Message ----- From: samfans To: Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > Remove all bolts but top one > Loosen top one > place drain pan under > whack side of cover (the bulge) till seal brakes > drain oil > remove top bolt > remove and clean cover thoroughly. > Use brake cleaner or carb cleaner to remove the oil > use a wire brush and rag with cleaner to remove all traces of RTV from both > cover and diff housing > I always spray out the inside of the diff thoroughly, and allow to drain / > evaporate. I use the brake cleaner that is safe on rubber > Buy RTV - I prefer the Permatex (made by Loctite) black, but any colour will > do for a diff. the Mopar stuff is perfect too > lay a 1/8" bead all the way around the diff cover, loop all the way around > all the bolt holes. Don't use too much > Let it "skin over" for 15-20 minutes > Carefuly place it in place, and finger tighten the bolts, don't torque them > down and squich it all out. > If you have time, allow to sit overnight, then torque them down, refill with > 1.5L (approx) of 80W90 Hypoid gear oil. > If you don't have time, I've torqued and refilled immediately without a > problem. 80W140 can be used too for HD or towing use. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike - G > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 3:45 AM > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > > > > Well, the reason I didn't want to redo it, is because I've never done it. > > But I guees it can't be too hard, just need some type of RTV right ? > > > > --- > > mike-g-at-mike-g.net > > http://www.mike-g.net/ > > boom.boom.beep.beep > > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, > > Too much to list, check my site > > for more information > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: samfans > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:08 PM > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > > > > > > > yep, and if it doesn't, you're not really that much behind. Just pull > them > > > and re-do the seal. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mike - G > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > > > > > > > > > > That's true. Speaking of which, even if I pull all of them off, and > > > > put new ones back in, the seal is gonna hold on preaty good right? > > > > > > > > Rather not have to replace the seal and put more fluid in. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > mike-g-at-mike-g.net > > > > http://www.mike-g.net/ > > > > boom.boom.beep.beep > > > > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, > > > > Too much to list, check my site > > > > for more information > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jeff > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:03 AM > > > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, just pull one out and measure it. The cover isn't going to > leak > > > > > or fall off with one bolt missing. :) Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Mike - G wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Cool, thanks a lot! My guards came in today. > > > > > > BTW, is it the same for the D35? And do either of u guys know the > > > stock length? Need to add > > > > > > the thickness of the plate to that :). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > mike-g-at-mike-g.net > > > > > > http://www.mike-g.net/ > > > > > > boom.boom.beep.beep > > > > > > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, > > > > > > Too much to list, check my site > > > > > > for more information > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Tom Moulder > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:15 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should be UNC - stands for Unified Coarse thread > > > > > > > TPI stands for Threads Per Inch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the right designation is 5/16-18 UNC-2A x whatever length > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike - G wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Haha, yeah, I hate to say your rig does look beat! But it works > :). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does NC and TPI stand for ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>Damn Bill, you've been on the XJ list for a while, and I've > > > watched your > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>Jeep go up and up and up! LOL. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>It's been quite a journey ! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>I remember when u had stock bumpers, and flares. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>I just found some old pics too - it looked nice back then ! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>Anyhow, coud u tell me what size the front D30 cover bolts > are? I > > > got a > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>guard, and need to pick up > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>some bolts for it. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>5/16 NC (18 TPI) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Bill > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You can't always get what you want, > > > > > > > but if you try sometimes, > > > > > > > you just might find... > > > > > > > you get what you need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Moulder > > > > > > > AdLab > > > > > > > 713-784-7772 phone > > > > > > > 713-784-7773 fax > > > > > > > 713-702-0686 cell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:58:54 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: the TD version of the WJ reading through richard's article on the TD in the WJ, found this section that talked about performance and economy. The mileage seems low, my 4.7L V8 gets over 19mpg cruising at 75mph... My Diesels have all been in the high twenty's at interstate speed... sometimes in the low thirties... My '85 XJ got 32mpg, my '83 300SD did 28mpg or so... What is impressive is the 0 to 60 mph, 13 SECONDS! My '81 Wagoneer with a 360 V8 did it in 15 seconds, and that was with a 4v carb and free flowing exhaust... my '83 300SD only did it in about 15 seconds... so this is FAST for a Diesel... Wish they'd bring it stateside... :( http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/features/TurboDieselWJ/Update2/ The Grand Cherokee's high-speed performance came as a pleasant surprise. Prior to making the arrangements to secure the Grand Cherokee for the trip, I had read a number of turbodiesel road tests in European publications and all complained about the racket coming from under the hood. Admittedly the 5-cylinder 3.1-liter VM turbodiesel is not as quiet as even the 4.0-liter six, but once up to speed, it really settled into a barely noticed drone and had no problem running at over 180 kph or settling in at right around 100 mph, fast enough to stay out of the way of all but the fastest traffic, well above the average speed of traffic. European magazines report that 0-100 kph times fall into the 13-second range which if offered in the US, would prove satisfactory for domestic drivers. Steering felt a bit tighter than domestic Grand Cherokees but this may have been a function of the tires selected. On-center feel was great and our Grand Cherokee felt safe and poised at triple digit velocities. The real test would come the first time we were required to fill up the tank. Currently in Germany, a liter of gasoline runs about 1.95 DM while diesel is 1.50 DM, about 25% less. We went 480 KM on our first tank of diesel which required 65 liters to top off the tank. After doing the conversion math, that comes out to about 18 mpg, a respectable figure considering that more than half of our travel was above 100 mph. This compares favorably with the numbers turned in by either of the domestically offered powerplants, neither of which typically turns in numbers much above 15 mpg in real-world driving. After factoring in the fact that in Germany at least, diesel fuel is 25% cheaper; the turbodiesel is a viable alternative to both currently available gasoline power plants, acceptable performance with lower overall fuel costs. Now a bit of speculation on my part. The current generation Grand Cherokee was designed well before the DaimlerChrysler merger, thus the selection of the VM turbodiesel. Mercedes offers a 2.7-liter CDI engine in the M-Class SUV outside North America and I suspect that if a diesel option were ultimately offered in the Grand Cherokee domestically, this would be a logical choice. With gasoline prices currently on an upward spiral towards $2.00 per gallon, an economical diesel is certainly a viable option that Jeep must be considering at some point. Look for a diesel option no earlier than 2002 model year when it is expected that the current Grand Cherokee will receive an update. - --------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://wagoneers.com '99 Grand Cherokee Ltd (WJ) - http://wagoneers.com/WJ '83 J10 stepside (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/SuperDawg '77 Cherokee (SJ) - http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/johns-77-cherokee (son's collection: '67 J-3000, 67 Fairlane, 68 Montego) trailers: '74 datsun longbed, building '75 J10, selling '54 Chev stepside bed... http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:07:57 -0500 From: "Chris Wilson" Subject: xj: ignition help Hey guys and gals, Tried to start the Jeep yesterday and ended up screwing up the ignition. I can turn and force the key back to the OFF position and get the key out. I can then push the cylinder out then turn it and try to start the jeep. It just won't start. I have 13V at the battery. The accessories work all the time now. The head lights won't turn on. I was thinking that it's the switch. How the heck do I get to it? It's way at the top of the column. Also, how do you get the plastic cover off of the column? Anything that ya'll can tell me would be great. I have the tilt column. - --Chris Tampa XJ'er 89 XJ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of samfans Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:57 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Re: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike - G To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:51 AM Subject: xj: Re: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > Damn Bill, you've been on the XJ list for a while, and I've watched your Jeep go up and up and up! LOL. It's been quite a journey ! > > I remember when u had stock bumpers, and flares. I just found some old pics too - it looked nice back then ! > > Anyhow, coud u tell me what size the front D30 cover bolts are? I got a guard, and need to pick up > some bolts for it. 5/16 NC (18 TPI) Bill > > --- > mike-g-at-mike-g.net > http://www.mike-g.net/ > boom.boom.beep.beep > 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, > Too much to list, check my site > for more information > ----- Original Message ----- > From: samfans > To: ; ; ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:25 PM > Subject: xj: My Tech site just got a whole lot better > > > > Put some time in recently updating the site. > > > > The steering articles are pretty good - something for everyone. > > > > check it out > > > > http://members.tripod.com/BillyXJ/Billstechindex.html > > > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:07:26 -0800 From: "Mike - G" Subject: xj: Glasspack Muffler SOUNDS CLIPS! & Pics Just put some REAL SOUNDS CLIPS in wav format on my website with the install pics of my new Cherrybomb glasspack muffler. You can hear what it sounds like from the passenger seat on the inside, and what it sounds like on the outside, and a nice idle real close to the exhaust pipe :) ENJOY... http://www.mike-g.net/jeep/yinyang/pics/muffler/ - --- mike-g-at-mike-g.net http://www.mike-g.net/ boom.boom.beep.beep 5-6" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, Too much to list, check my site for more information ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1335 *************************