From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jan 12 23:52:28 2002 From: xj-digest xj-digest Sunday, January 13 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1349 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Diesel john rides again? massive vehicle switchero... :) Re: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs xj: Re: my new SSRs RE: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs Re: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:38:51 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Diesel john rides again? massive vehicle switchero... :) bottom line: Mark is selling his '67 J3000 ($500) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/marks-67-J3000/ and http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/CARS/1967-Fairlane/ '67 Ford Fairlane ($2,500) John is selling Mark his '77 Cherokee John is buying an '83 Ford Ranger XL Diesel... (john-at-wagoneers.com) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUESTION: what engine is in the '83 Ranger??? who makes it? http://wagoneers.com/tmp/DieselFord - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The guy that bought my '81 300D has an '83 Ford Ranger XL with a 2.2L Diesel and a 4 speed. He brought it over today and I test drove it. It rides nicer and is quieter than the '77 Cherokee I have been driving. My cherokee got 8 mpg on the last tank... I'm tuning it now, but realistically it'll do 13mpg in town... So I'm going to buy the Diesel Ford and sell my son the '77 Cherokee. The Cherokee is a nice rig, but I still miss SuperDawg. :) SuperDawg should get 15 to 16 mpg in town with the '96 XJ driveline (4.0L). The Ranger should get 22 or so in town, which will be fine. It's not a bad little rig... It'll save us a lot of money if fuel expense. :) Only has 111,000 miles or so on it. Quieter than the cherokee, goes down the road straight, shifts ok... rides decent... Anyway, I'm trying to figure out what engine this thing has and am basically putting out an all points for info. :) The guy has had it for years and it runs and sounds fine. It looks like a well setup Diesel engine. I like the fact it has dual batteries and good fuel filters. :) The pictures are at: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/DieselFord My son has to sell his '67 Ford Fairlane Club Coupe ASAP so he can buy my '77 Cherokee so I can buy the '83 Ranger... :) Pix of the Fairlane at: (will take new ones tomorrow for ebay) http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/CARS/1967-Fairlane/ http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/CARS/1967-Fairlane/67-fairlane-1.jpg I think we're going to put it up on ebay opening it at around $2,200, we'd like $2,500 for it right now. low miles on a new 289/C4, edelbrock 289 manifold, Holley 600 cfm, flowmaster, electronic ignition, straight body, some minor rust... runs great, handles well... email before tomorrow if you're interested in the Fairlane. I can't see any reason why you couldn't drive it across the country tomorrow morning. We're open to offers before we get it on ebay... It's a nice car, you won't find one this nice on the other side of the country for this price. :) Mark is also selling his '67 J3000 - he just said $500. I think it's worth at least twice that... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/marks-67-J3000/ http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/father-son-00mar8-2.jpg The motor is solid, the body fair, (the door was replaced and has black primer on it now) and there is a problem with the transmission, but it's driveable... He thinks it could be driven to California... He's driven it to work several times without problems and I was driving it around here with the flood cleanup... It will need a transmission... IT has 30x9.5's on it right now... - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:04:52 -0600 From: Jeff Subject: Re: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs I just got back from a somewhat local "snow" run, but since we don't hardly have ANY snow, it was more like an ICE/Frozen ground run. My BFG ATKO's really didn't impress me yet again. Nice road tires though. The TSL's that some others were running did just as well on the slick surfaces and usually better. In fact, there was a Sammy with boggers that Kicked Butt!! That thing was awsome! We were running some steep hills between farm fields near Eau Claire, WI and it was quite challenging with the icy conditions. Momentum was your friend, but the damn trees were your enemy. I put a nice dent in my rear quarter by the window, one friend really had a bad day and took out both mirrors, crashed the hell out of his right front end, and dented both sides of his XJ. Another xj owner creased the same spot I did, but worse and yet another dented his door. I tell you, there is nothing like getting 3/4 of the way up a tree covered hill when you lose momentum and slide back down backwards with NO CONTROL! Anyway, the TSL's did better than the AT's for the most part. Jeff Aaron Storms wrote: > Actually they're great on new snow, but stink on ice as do most all tires. > Aaron > > ---------- > >From: "JC Jones" > >To: > >Subject: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs > >Date: Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 6:52 PM > > > > >How are the SSR's vs. TSL's? I have TSL Radials and they are by far the > >best tire I have ever used on dirt, rocks and mud, but they are nearly > >completely worthless on snow and ice. > > > >JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net > >1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" > >1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" > >* * * * * =================== "They that can give up > > * * * * =================== essential liberty to > >* * * * * =================== obtain a little > >============================= temporary safety > >============================= deserve neither > >============================= liberty nor safety." > >============================= -Benjamin Franklin > > > >-> -----Original Message----- > >-> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On > >-> Behalf Of Greg Friedman > >-> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:08 PM > >-> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-> Subject: xj: Re:my new SSRs > >-> > >-> > >-> Doug, > >-> > >-> I've got the same tires and they're awesome. Wait until you > >-> try them in deep snow with 8 or 9 lbs of air.... Anyway, I > >-> also had to do some more trimming in the rear as I've got > >-> about 5" of lift. About the best thing you can do rather > >-> than cutting, is to pound the metal lip flush with the > >-> inside of the wheel well. It's kind of hard to explain, but > >-> it's pretty common on XJs. Make some vertical cuts in the > >-> lip 4 or 5 inches apart so it folds up nice and clean. Then > >-> take a BFH and pound it nice and flush. There's not a lot > >-> more you can do beyond that, but that should suffice. > >-> > >-> Greg > >-> > >-> > > >-> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:40:28 -0600 > >-> > From: Doug Wright > >-> > Subject: xj: my new SSRs > >-> > > >-> > I just got some new tires and wheels last weekend ... 33x12.5 Super > >-> Swamper > >-> > SSRs on black 10x8 American Racing 767s. I'm running just 4.5" of > >-> > lift so > >-> I > >-> > did some fender trimming beforehand, however it wasn't > >-> quite enough, > >-> > especially in the rear. I got a little rubbing so I > >-> trimmed some, and > >-> > no more problems yet, but I haven't gotten a chance to > >-> take them off > >-> > road > >-> yet. > >-> > I don't see how I can remove much more material on the > >-> rear but I seem > >-> > to have plenty of room up front. What's a good way to see > >-> if I've cut > >-> > off enough of the fenders without shreading my tires or > >-> crunching my > >-> > fenders? > >-> I > >-> > just got it realigned today, but for some reason the > >-> wheels will still > >-> turn > >-> > farther to the left than to the right. I was hoping that would be > >-> > fixed because the tires rub my control arm when turning > >-> hard left. > >-> > The turning radius seems to be alot better to the left ... is this > >-> > unusual? I'm still getting a popping noise out of my > >-> track bar, even > >-> > though I've cranked down on the bolt ... I've broken that > >-> bolt before, > >-> > so I'm hesitant to tighten > >-> it > >-> > much more. > >-> > > >-> > So far the tires are great! They look awesome and ride > >-> great on the > >-> > road. I don't think they are any louder on the highway > >-> than my BFG MTs > >-> > (I had > >-> some > >-> > 31x10.5"). The place that mounted/balanced them had to > >-> use that powder > >-> > stuff to balance them since it would have take too many > >-> weights on the > >-> rim. > >-> > That was fine with me ... it didn't cost any more and I > >-> don't have to > >-> worry > >-> > about weights falling off and hopefully they will never need > >-> > rebalancing. No vibrations on the road or anything, so it seems to > >-> > work well. They > >-> seem > >-> > to stick to the road alot better than my BFGs too, > >-> especially on wet > >-> > roads ... I don't know if it's the siping, the softer > >-> rubber compound, > >-> > the > >-> larger > >-> > contact patch, or just because they're new. I couldn't > >-> believe how > >-> > heavy they were though! > >-> > > >-> > I was expecting to get improved gas mileage with the new tires ... > >-> > mainly because it put me back at the stock gearing. I'm > >-> running 3.73 > >-> > gears with > >-> an > >-> > AX-15 manual transmission. My speedometer/odometer is > >-> right on now, > >-> > but > >-> it > >-> > was off by almost 10% with my old tires. I took this into account > >-> > when calculating gas mileage, and I'm getting about 11 mpg > >-> now (even > >-> > with the spare tire moved from the roof to the cargo > >-> area), but I was > >-> > getting about 12 mpg before. Would the extra weight of the > >-> > wheels/tires make that much difference? My highway > >-> crusing rpms are > >-> > back down to stock, so I would > >-> have > >-> > thought improved gas mileage. > >-> > > >-> > Anyway, here are some picts of the tires: > >-> > > >-> > http://www.hammerdesigns.net/xj/ssr/ > >-> > > >-> > Also, a couple of cool local "trail" picts I took a couple > >-> of months > >-> > ago: > >-> > > >-> > http://www.hammerdesigns.net/xj/bhm/ > >-> > > >-> > > >-> > Doug > >-> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:05:29 -0800 From: "Greg Friedman" Subject: xj: Re: my new SSRs I haven't had them on ice, but in the several types of snow I've been in they work really well. They float very well and the only time I get stuck is when I get high centered in the snow. It seems to plow the diffs through just about anything and I've even got a D60 hanging down in the rear. Greg > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:52:15 -0700 > From: "JC Jones" > Subject: xj: RE: Re:> > How are the SSR's vs. TSL's? I have TSL Radials and they are by far the > best tire I have ever used on dirt, rocks and mud, but they are nearly > completely worthless on snow and ice. > > JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net > 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" > 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:00:02 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs Cool, I think the molded siping on the SSR makes the difference. I took my J-10 with TSL Radials out a couple of weeks ago right after a fresh snow with a little frozen stuff underneath and I might as well been running drag slicks. It was all I could do to just stay on the street in 4-lo, the truck would just side slip. JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net 1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" 1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" * * * * * =================== "They that can give up * * * * =================== essential liberty to * * * * * =================== obtain a little ============================= temporary safety ============================= deserve neither ============================= liberty nor safety." ============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> -----Original Message----- - -> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On - -> Behalf Of Aaron Storms - -> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:32 PM - -> To: xj-at-digest.net - -> Subject: Re: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs - -> - -> - -> Actually they're great on new snow, but stink on ice as do - -> most all tires. Aaron - -> - -> ---------- - -> >From: "JC Jones" - -> >To: - -> >Subject: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs - -> >Date: Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 6:52 PM - -> > - -> - -> >How are the SSR's vs. TSL's? I have TSL Radials and they - -> are by far - -> >the best tire I have ever used on dirt, rocks and mud, but they are - -> >nearly completely worthless on snow and ice. - -> > - -> >JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net - -> >1979 Jeep J-10 "Max" 1984 Grand Wagoneer "Eeyore" - -> >1978 MB 300D "Fritz" 1986 Jeep XJ Cherokee "Junior" - -> >* * * * * =================== "They that can give up - -> > * * * * =================== essential liberty to - -> >* * * * * =================== obtain a little - -> >============================= temporary safety - -> >============================= deserve neither - -> >============================= liberty nor safety." - -> >============================= -Benjamin Franklin - -> > - -> >-> -----Original Message----- - -> >-> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On - -> >-> Behalf Of Greg Friedman - -> >-> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:08 PM - -> >-> To: xj-at-digest.net - -> >-> Subject: xj: Re:my new SSRs - -> >-> - -> >-> - -> >-> Doug, - -> >-> - -> >-> I've got the same tires and they're awesome. Wait until you - -> >-> try them in deep snow with 8 or 9 lbs of air.... Anyway, I - -> >-> also had to do some more trimming in the rear as I've got - -> >-> about 5" of lift. About the best thing you can do rather - -> >-> than cutting, is to pound the metal lip flush with the - -> >-> inside of the wheel well. It's kind of hard to explain, but - -> >-> it's pretty common on XJs. Make some vertical cuts in the - -> >-> lip 4 or 5 inches apart so it folds up nice and clean. Then - -> >-> take a BFH and pound it nice and flush. There's not a lot - -> >-> more you can do beyond that, but that should suffice. - -> >-> - -> >-> Greg - -> >-> - -> >-> > - -> >-> > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:40:28 -0600 - -> >-> > From: Doug Wright - -> >-> > Subject: xj: my new SSRs - -> >-> > - -> >-> > I just got some new tires and wheels last weekend ... 33x12.5 - -> >-> > Super - -> >-> Swamper - -> >-> > SSRs on black 10x8 American Racing 767s. I'm running - -> just 4.5" of - -> >-> > lift so - -> >-> I - -> >-> > did some fender trimming beforehand, however it wasn't - -> >-> quite enough, - -> >-> > especially in the rear. I got a little rubbing so I - -> >-> trimmed some, and - -> >-> > no more problems yet, but I haven't gotten a chance to - -> >-> take them off - -> >-> > road - -> >-> yet. - -> >-> > I don't see how I can remove much more material on the - -> >-> rear but I seem - -> >-> > to have plenty of room up front. What's a good way to see - -> >-> if I've cut - -> >-> > off enough of the fenders without shreading my tires or - -> >-> crunching my - -> >-> > fenders? - -> >-> I - -> >-> > just got it realigned today, but for some reason the - -> >-> wheels will still - -> >-> turn - -> >-> > farther to the left than to the right. I was hoping - -> that would be - -> >-> > fixed because the tires rub my control arm when turning - -> >-> hard left. - -> >-> > The turning radius seems to be alot better to the left - -> ... is this - -> >-> > unusual? I'm still getting a popping noise out of my - -> >-> track bar, even - -> >-> > though I've cranked down on the bolt ... I've broken that - -> >-> bolt before, - -> >-> > so I'm hesitant to tighten - -> >-> it - -> >-> > much more. - -> >-> > - -> >-> > So far the tires are great! They look awesome and ride - -> >-> great on the - -> >-> > road. I don't think they are any louder on the highway - -> >-> than my BFG MTs - -> >-> > (I had - -> >-> some - -> >-> > 31x10.5"). The place that mounted/balanced them had to - -> >-> use that powder - -> >-> > stuff to balance them since it would have take too many - -> >-> weights on the - -> >-> rim. - -> >-> > That was fine with me ... it didn't cost any more and I - -> >-> don't have to - -> >-> worry - -> >-> > about weights falling off and hopefully they will never need - -> >-> > rebalancing. No vibrations on the road or anything, so - -> it seems to - -> >-> > work well. They - -> >-> seem - -> >-> > to stick to the road alot better than my BFGs too, - -> >-> especially on wet - -> >-> > roads ... I don't know if it's the siping, the softer - -> >-> rubber compound, - -> >-> > the - -> >-> larger - -> >-> > contact patch, or just because they're new. I couldn't - -> >-> believe how - -> >-> > heavy they were though! - -> >-> > - -> >-> > I was expecting to get improved gas mileage with the - -> new tires ... - -> >-> > mainly because it put me back at the stock gearing. I'm - -> >-> running 3.73 - -> >-> > gears with - -> >-> an - -> >-> > AX-15 manual transmission. My speedometer/odometer is - -> >-> right on now, - -> >-> > but - -> >-> it - -> >-> > was off by almost 10% with my old tires. I took this - -> into account - -> >-> > when calculating gas mileage, and I'm getting about 11 mpg - -> >-> now (even - -> >-> > with the spare tire moved from the roof to the cargo - -> >-> area), but I was - -> >-> > getting about 12 mpg before. Would the extra weight of the - -> >-> > wheels/tires make that much difference? My highway - -> >-> crusing rpms are - -> >-> > back down to stock, so I would - -> >-> have - -> >-> > thought improved gas mileage. - -> >-> > - -> >-> > Anyway, here are some picts of the tires: - -> >-> > - -> >-> > http://www.hammerdesigns.net/xj/ssr/ - -> >-> > - -> >-> > Also, a couple of cool local "trail" picts I took a couple - -> >-> of months - -> >-> > ago: - -> >-> > - -> >-> > http://www.hammerdesigns.net/xj/bhm/ - -> >-> > - -> >-> > - -> >-> > Doug - -> >-> - -> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:25:34 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: RE: Re:my new SSRs Hey Jeff, aren't snow runs fun...:) I did the worst damage ever to my xj sliding down a frozen "creek trail" head-on into a tree, then sliding sideways into another and nothing but spikes would've helped me then! Are you going to Moab this year? I'm bunking with a bud at the Slick Rock for the week. Aaron - ---------- >I just got back from a somewhat local "snow" run, but since we don't hardly >have ANY snow, it was more like an ICE/Frozen ground run. My BFG ATKO's >really didn't impress me yet again. Nice road tires though. The TSL's that >some others were running did just as well on the slick surfaces and usually >better. In fact, there was a Sammy with boggers that Kicked Butt!! That >thing was awsome! We were running some steep hills between farm fields near >Eau Claire, WI and it was quite challenging with the icy conditions. >Momentum was your friend, but the damn trees were your enemy. I put a nice >dent in my rear quarter by the window, one friend really had a bad day and >took out both mirrors, crashed the hell out of his right front end, and >dented both sides of his XJ. Another xj owner creased the same spot I did, >but worse and yet another dented his door. I tell you, there is nothing like >getting 3/4 of the way up a tree covered hill when you lose momentum and >slide back down backwards with NO CONTROL! Anyway, the TSL's did better than >the AT's for the most part. Jeff > >Aaron Storms wrote: >> Actually they're great on new snow, but stink on ice as do most all tires. >> Aaron >> >How are the SSR's vs. TSL's? I have TSL Radials and they are by far the >> >best tire I have ever used on dirt, rocks and mud, but they are nearly >> >completely worthless on snow and ice. >> >JC Jones http://www.wagoneer.net ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1349 *************************