From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jan 20 14:33:18 2002 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, January 19 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1355 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Diesel powered WJ? Re: xj: brake lights out RE: xj: brake lights out RE: xj: brake lights out RE: xj: brake lights out xj: figured out brake lights xj: wondering Re: xj: carrier and spider gear Q's Re: xj: wondering Re: xj: wondering XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:21:27 +0100 From: Sune Cullberg Subject: Re: xj: Diesel powered WJ? Yes, it does. Simple things like beer and a big mac (maybe not together...) are 30-40% more expensive in norway. Car parts from US is the same as in sweden. Cars are very expensive in norway because of taxes. A WJ diesel costs $40.000 us dollar in sweden, but the website of the swedish importer says its a 3.1L turbodiesel ?!? The cheapest jeep in sweden is a wrangler 4.0 sport, only $20.700 .... Btw, current gasoline cost 8.80 per litre, mmm $0.83 x 3.78 is $3.14 / us gallon. Diesel is a tad cheaper, and in norway its a bit more.. / Sune Goteborg,Sweden 89 XJ 4.0 At 19:00 2002-01-17 -0400, you wrote: >Sune, > >Does the cost difference of things between Norway and Sweden apply to most >things? > >Reason i ask, I was in Norway once, and found it terribly expensive for my >Canadian budget. I'd like to get to Sweden one day, and was just wondering >if the cost of living is as high? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:29:20 -0600 From: "Tom Cohrs" Subject: Re: xj: brake lights out Does your jeep have trailer wiring? If so, check the splices in the back. This is a common failure point. Also where wires go through sheet metal, they get cut. Could they both be burnt out? ;-) Tom Cohrs >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 1:05:01 PM >>> 86 Wagoneeer Brake lights out. Fuse is good. The brake light is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers, they all work. Tail lights and directionals are fine. There are two switches activated by the brake pedal. The bottom switch has a hot wire coming in that is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers so I assume this is the switch for the brake lights. This switch has the hot wire coming in with another wire also to that side of the switch making that wire hot even when the pedal is not depressed. There are two other wires to the other side of the switch, they become hot when the brake pedal is depressed. What in the world could be wrong? Thanks, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:00:39 -0400 From: "SEARLESDAVID" Subject: RE: xj: brake lights out Thanks for the reply - I added a trailer hookup that I got from UHAUL. I wired into the existing wiring. That worked fine when I installed it. One nice thing about the UHAUL plug is that it has LEDs on it to tell you that it is working. The LEDs indicate that it is fine. This is definiely a head scratcher. Something simple, no doubt, but beyond my poor powers of comprehension. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Tom Cohrs Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:29 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: brake lights out Does your jeep have trailer wiring? If so, check the splices in the back. This is a common failure point. Also where wires go through sheet metal, they get cut. Could they both be burnt out? ;-) Tom Cohrs >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 1:05:01 PM >>> 86 Wagoneeer Brake lights out. Fuse is good. The brake light is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers, they all work. Tail lights and directionals are fine. There are two switches activated by the brake pedal. The bottom switch has a hot wire coming in that is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers so I assume this is the switch for the brake lights. This switch has the hot wire coming in with another wire also to that side of the switch making that wire hot even when the pedal is not depressed. There are two other wires to the other side of the switch, they become hot when the brake pedal is depressed. What in the world could be wrong? Thanks, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:14:00 -0600 From: "Tom Cohrs" Subject: RE: xj: brake lights out If you used those flaky little blue crimp on splices, start looking there. They can cut the wire and allow one circuit to work while the other is open. Have someone (or a brick) hold down the brake pedal, while flexing the wires near those splices to see if you can make the lights come on. Tom >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 3:00:39 PM >>> Thanks for the reply - I added a trailer hookup that I got from UHAUL. I wired into the existing wiring. That worked fine when I installed it. One nice thing about the UHAUL plug is that it has LEDs on it to tell you that it is working. The LEDs indicate that it is fine. This is definiely a head scratcher. Something simple, no doubt, but beyond my poor powers of comprehension. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Tom Cohrs Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:29 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: brake lights out Does your jeep have trailer wiring? If so, check the splices in the back. This is a common failure point. Also where wires go through sheet metal, they get cut. Could they both be burnt out? ;-) Tom Cohrs >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 1:05:01 PM >>> 86 Wagoneeer Brake lights out. Fuse is good. The brake light is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers, they all work. Tail lights and directionals are fine. There are two switches activated by the brake pedal. The bottom switch has a hot wire coming in that is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers so I assume this is the switch for the brake lights. This switch has the hot wire coming in with another wire also to that side of the switch making that wire hot even when the pedal is not depressed. There are two other wires to the other side of the switch, they become hot when the brake pedal is depressed. What in the world could be wrong? Thanks, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:36:12 -0400 From: "SEARLESDAVID" Subject: RE: xj: brake lights out I'll go back and look. Thanks. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Tom Cohrs Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:14 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: brake lights out If you used those flaky little blue crimp on splices, start looking there. They can cut the wire and allow one circuit to work while the other is open. Have someone (or a brick) hold down the brake pedal, while flexing the wires near those splices to see if you can make the lights come on. Tom >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 3:00:39 PM >>> Thanks for the reply - I added a trailer hookup that I got from UHAUL. I wired into the existing wiring. That worked fine when I installed it. One nice thing about the UHAUL plug is that it has LEDs on it to tell you that it is working. The LEDs indicate that it is fine. This is definiely a head scratcher. Something simple, no doubt, but beyond my poor powers of comprehension. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Tom Cohrs Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:29 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: brake lights out Does your jeep have trailer wiring? If so, check the splices in the back. This is a common failure point. Also where wires go through sheet metal, they get cut. Could they both be burnt out? ;-) Tom Cohrs >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 1:05:01 PM >>> 86 Wagoneeer Brake lights out. Fuse is good. The brake light is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers, they all work. Tail lights and directionals are fine. There are two switches activated by the brake pedal. The bottom switch has a hot wire coming in that is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers so I assume this is the switch for the brake lights. This switch has the hot wire coming in with another wire also to that side of the switch making that wire hot even when the pedal is not depressed. There are two other wires to the other side of the switch, they become hot when the brake pedal is depressed. What in the world could be wrong? Thanks, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:42:44 -0400 From: "SEARLESDAVID" Subject: xj: figured out brake lights It was the darned turn signal switch. The juice goes through the turn signal switch. The brake lights are just the back two turn signal lights turned on at the same time. Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I'm sure I'll be back for further advice in the future. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of SEARLESDAVID Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:01 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: brake lights out Thanks for the reply - I added a trailer hookup that I got from UHAUL. I wired into the existing wiring. That worked fine when I installed it. One nice thing about the UHAUL plug is that it has LEDs on it to tell you that it is working. The LEDs indicate that it is fine. This is definiely a head scratcher. Something simple, no doubt, but beyond my poor powers of comprehension. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Tom Cohrs Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:29 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: brake lights out Does your jeep have trailer wiring? If so, check the splices in the back. This is a common failure point. Also where wires go through sheet metal, they get cut. Could they both be burnt out? ;-) Tom Cohrs >>> SEARLESDAVID-at-surfbest.net 8/18/2001 1:05:01 PM >>> 86 Wagoneeer Brake lights out. Fuse is good. The brake light is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers, they all work. Tail lights and directionals are fine. There are two switches activated by the brake pedal. The bottom switch has a hot wire coming in that is on the same circuit as the 4 way flashers so I assume this is the switch for the brake lights. This switch has the hot wire coming in with another wire also to that side of the switch making that wire hot even when the pedal is not depressed. There are two other wires to the other side of the switch, they become hot when the brake pedal is depressed. What in the world could be wrong? Thanks, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:10:35 -0800 From: Mirandy Archer Subject: xj: wondering I still can't get the rear door to open. The key turns all the way (as far as it should), I take the key out, push the button to open the door, and... nothing! Very annoying because I got it to work once. Isn't it supposed to unlock with the power door lock? Could it be an electrical short? Also, only one door makes the top light go on. Is this easy to fix, or should I try to ignore it? (Its another fuse or wiring problem, right?) BTW- thanks for answering! (and listening to my confusion) M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: Dale Rittenbach Subject: Re: xj: carrier and spider gear Q's If the roll pin bolt break is at the time of the Cclip axle I would think it was just a convinient time to change over for the company. As far as I can tell the only diffrence was that my old carrier had the hole go all the way through so you could drive the roll pin out, and the new one didn't. Functionally I didn't have any problem setting up my axle with the newer style carrier. The hard part was getting a shop locally to order the screw for me so I could set up the gears and get teh axle back under my truck :) Dale Rittenbach Jeep- The toughest four letter http://www.uidaho.edu/~ritt3642 word on wheels. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:51:11 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: wondering Mirandy, if that hatch hasn't been used in a long time, just be patient, use some lock juice (graphite or silicone) and work the key left and right many times to allow the juice to penetrate well before removing the key to push the button. ONE of those positions has to be in the open position...:) Yes, the electric locks "should" open the mechanism, but again, time and unuse cause the mechanism to grow stiff - just needs a little TLC before you twist your key off in the lock. The fact that your overhead light DOES come on with at least one of the doors rules out the bulb or a problem overhead, so I'd individually check and lube those little depression switches that get skrunched or expanded when you open and close your doors. Sometimes they stick or the strike area of the door frame isn't hitting the switch any longer. They're adjustable to an extent to make them a bit taller to ensure good contact. Aaron - ---------- >From: Mirandy Archer >To: >Subject: xj: wondering >Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002, 1:10 AM > >I still can't get the rear door to open. The key turns all the way (as far >as it should), I take the key out, push the button to open the door, and... >nothing! Very annoying because I got it to work once. Isn't it supposed to >unlock with the power door lock? Could it be an electrical short? > >Also, only one door makes the top light go on. Is this easy to fix, or >should I try to ignore it? (Its another fuse or wiring problem, right?) > > >BTW- thanks for answering! (and listening to my confusion) >M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:04:30 -0800 From: Mirandy Archer Subject: Re: xj: wondering Well, I got the back to open *once* today. My Mom and I stood there fiddling with the power lock, and then.... the child proof lock under it. As soon as she did that, I pushed the button, and it opened right up. I even tried it with the key, and it worked. But then I asked her to lock it again, and then unlock it so we could make sure it was working okay. Guess what happened? It wouldn't open! I think maybe there is something wrong with that power lock for the child proof locks/windows. That button feels funny. Instead of how most power locks are, (gradual) this one seems to get stuck. Its hard to move, and it only has the on and off positions like a light switch. It snaps from one position to the other instead of being easy to move. Maybe I need to have it fixed? Any thoughts? M. on 1/19/02 8:51 AM, Aaron Storms at aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com wrote: > Mirandy, if that hatch hasn't been used in a long time, just be patient, use > some lock juice (graphite or silicone) and work the key left and right many > times to allow the juice to penetrate well before removing the key to push > the button. ONE of those positions has to be in the open position...:) Yes, > the electric locks "should" open the mechanism, but again, time and unuse > cause the mechanism to grow stiff - just needs a little TLC before you twist > your key off in the lock. The fact that your overhead light DOES come on > with at least one of the doors rules out the bulb or a problem overhead, so > I'd individually check and lube those little depression switches that get > skrunched or expanded when you open and close your doors. Sometimes they > stick or the strike area of the door frame isn't hitting the switch any > longer. They're adjustable to an extent to make them a bit taller to ensure > good contact. Aaron > > ---------- >> From: Mirandy Archer >> To: >> Subject: xj: wondering >> Date: Sat, Jan 19, 2002, 1:10 AM >> > >> I still can't get the rear door to open. The key turns all the way (as far >> as it should), I take the key out, push the button to open the door, and... >> nothing! Very annoying because I got it to work once. Isn't it supposed to >> unlock with the power door lock? Could it be an electrical short? >> >> Also, only one door makes the top light go on. Is this easy to fix, or >> should I try to ignore it? (Its another fuse or wiring problem, right?) >> >> >> BTW- thanks for answering! (and listening to my confusion) >> M. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1355 *************************