From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 1 09:31:33 2002 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1376 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Source info? -was- [obh] FS:4.0L motor xj: xj wagoneers - quad lamps - '87 -89(?) xj: administrivia: notes on using this list xj: Iceland jeep xj: Alternator or Ground Cable Re: xj: Iceland jeep Re: xj: Alternator or Ground Cable XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:57:52 -0800 From: "Phil M." Subject: xj: Source info? -was- [obh] FS:4.0L motor Howdy! I'm not interested but someone who is might be wondering how to contact this person. Also, any idea where the engine is located? ;o) Phil - ----- Original Message ----- From: "D&K" > Got this from another list i am on. > Someone may be interested. > Dennis > > - > > > > I have a 4.0L motor outta a 87 Cherokee I also need to get rid of.It has 157K > miles on it.It is a long block with a vavle cover,exhaust manifold,and a > intake.$100.The motor runs good,but probably wouldnt hurt for a rebuild. > > > Bryan Dodge > 73 Chevy 4x4 PU > 10" lift > built 400, T350/NP205 > 38.5" SX Swampers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:36:52 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: xj wagoneers - quad lamps - '87 -89(?) the xj wagoneer was the top of the line model, coming with leather, and all the power options. I think I saw one window sticker that listed the "wagoneer" option at around $3,000. It included either two tone paint or fake woodgrain siding. The quad headlights were used from 1987 through 1989... not sure if they existed after that without digging through brochures. If I could find my '90 brochure I could confirm the final year... maybe... ;) In '86 and earlier they had the same cherokee headlights... when I totalled mine I replaced the butt-ugly quad headlight setup with a cherokee grille. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 02:05:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 11/13/01; extensive revisions to 1.j, 1.k -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. 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This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:10:59 -0000 From: "Kubler, Michael R. LT" Subject: xj: Iceland jeep Nope - my rig is still stock (it's an 01) - looking at a mild lift and bigger tires. Most of the big rigs are tricked out be "Arctic Trucks" and they are monsters. They use big Japanese rigs typically diesels. Mostly used to run up the glaciers and such. Not they typical Icelander's personal rig. There are a bunch of XJ's that are daily drivers as well as some of the general SUV craze. Mostly they drive little cars, many with AWD, as gas is $4/gallon. Actually winter just started. Till February we had only two "real" snows. It snowed all Feb and we're getting more today. Thing here is it doesn't get real deep as every few days we have 40-50 mph winds that blow it all into the ocean. We've had 4-6 inches on the ground with a nice layer of ice for about 4 weeks now though. I just bought some older wheels (with the black plastic center) and some GY workhorse tires w/ studs - bought them cheap from a guy moving to FL. Haven't had time to get them on - the studs would help with the ice that's for sure. My XJ does pretty well - I've got the "full time available" transfer case and limited slip. I run in full time most the time lately and then drop into part time for deep or really slick areas or going down the back roads. Back roads here might be considered trails elsewhere. True off road isn't feasible much near the base as it is all lava rock, tracked vehicles would have problems over most of it. There are sand trails nearby though. I was skeptical about the ABS but it has been pretty nice with the ice too - does anyone know how to safely and temporarily disable it when desired? BTW I was watching a European car show on TV - did you guys know that the Liberty is being called the Cherokee in Europe? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:17:16 -0800 From: "Whit Hickman" Subject: xj: Alternator or Ground Cable I have a new problem that is causing me grief. I turn the key and I get a single click out of the starter. Yet the starter and battery are new. If I jump the motor it starts right up. Also the alternator has what sounds like a bad bearing but seems to charge. One other new thing is that the interior lights kinda flicker like there isn't a good power connection. So I'm thinking that I have a bad ground wire or connection and when I jump it, there is a new ground path from the jumpers. But I've never heard of a ground wire going bad and the connections all look good. Or is there some problem the alternator can have that would affect starting? Anyone have thoughts on the issue? Thanks, Whit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:58:28 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: Iceland jeep Interesting insight to the Icelandic automotive culture Mike - at $4 per gallon, can see why building a smaller frugal rig might be the way to go. I don't know about disabling the ABS part-time, though many of my friends here have removed it entirely somehow. Yeah, we've all heard about the Liberty being called the Cherokee in other countries - seems like blasphemy to me though I've heard the Liberty does better than it looks with the exception of not enough room for taller drivers. It's -4 this morning and we have about 5" of new snow, but our ice is under the snow. I was driving my big OD xj home late last night in the storm and it seemed to run out of gas or the fuel pump quit about halfway up the remote canyon to my cabin! Cell phones don't work there and my wife wouldn't come looking for me for another hour or so, but I was able to hitch a ride up the mountain. I finally figured out that when wheeling last Sat, I had smashed my gas tank down to about half it's normal capacity, so I might have run out of gas where the pump was sucking from even though the gauge showed half full! Guess a fuel cell is on my wish list next...:) See ya, Aaron Black Hawk, CO - ---------- >From: "Kubler, Michael R. LT" >To: "XJ (E-mail)" >Subject: xj: Iceland jeep >Date: Fri, Mar 1, 2002, 5:10 AM > >the giant lift and tires like some of the Icelander rigs I've seen? > > > >Nope - my rig is still stock (it's an 01) - looking at a mild lift and >bigger tires. Most of the big rigs are tricked out be "Arctic Trucks" and >they are monsters. They use big Japanese rigs typically diesels. Mostly >used to run up the glaciers and such. Not they typical Icelander's personal >rig. There are a bunch of XJ's that are daily drivers as well as some of >the general SUV craze. Mostly they drive little cars, many with AWD, as gas >is $4/gallon. > >snowing on top of the three inches or so of fresh snow. Have fun, Aaron> > >Actually winter just started. Till February we had only two "real" snows. >It snowed all Feb and we're getting more today. Thing here is it doesn't >get real deep as every few days we have 40-50 mph winds that blow it all >into the ocean. We've had 4-6 inches on the ground with a nice layer of ice >for about 4 weeks now though. I just bought some older wheels (with the >black plastic center) and some GY workhorse tires w/ studs - bought them >cheap from a guy moving to FL. Haven't had time to get them on - the studs >would help with the ice that's for sure. > >My XJ does pretty well - I've got the "full time available" transfer case >and limited slip. I run in full time most the time lately and then drop >into part time for deep or really slick areas or going down the back roads. >Back roads here might be considered trails elsewhere. True off road isn't >feasible much near the base as it is all lava rock, tracked vehicles would >have problems over most of it. There are sand trails nearby though. I was >skeptical about the ABS but it has been pretty nice with the ice too - does >anyone know how to safely and temporarily disable it when desired? > >BTW I was watching a European car show on TV - did you guys know that the >Liberty is being called the Cherokee in Europe? >Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:02:30 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: Alternator or Ground Cable Not sure since you've checked the ground cables already - assumed you've actually unbolted them and cleaned underneath for hidden corrosion on both the engine ground and battery ground? Had a similar problem and it ended up being the neg batter cable was corroded underneath and had to remove the cable to even see the problem. The other thought would be to go ahead and swap on another alternator in the event your new one is faulty - happened to me on my F350 a few months ago. Aaron - ---------- >From: "Whit Hickman" >To: >Subject: xj: Alternator or Ground Cable >Date: Fri, Mar 1, 2002, 9:17 AM > >I have a new problem that is causing me grief. I turn the key and I get a >single click out of the starter. Yet the starter and battery are new. If I >jump the motor it starts right up. Also the alternator has what sounds like >a bad bearing but seems to charge. One other new thing is that the interior >lights kinda flicker like there isn't a good power connection. So I'm >thinking that I have a bad ground wire or connection and when I jump it, >there is a new ground path from the jumpers. But I've never heard of a >ground wire going bad and the connections all look good. Or is there some >problem the alternator can have that would affect starting? Anyone have >thoughts on the issue? > >Thanks, >Whit ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1376 *************************