From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Nov 1 21:42:16 2002 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, November 2 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1541 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: another idea... xj: Re: fleet status xj: Re: moving overseas xj: Re: another idea... Re: xj: Re: another idea... xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: xj: Re: fleet status xj: 2.8 gearing xj: Re: 2.8 gearing XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:26:45 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: another idea... At 06:02 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Robert Crawford wrote: >On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 06:17 , john wrote: >>...this being the idea of dropping a Mercedes Benz 3.0L Turbo Diesel >>into this '87 XJ type Jeep Cherokee. It has a high mileage (238,000) >>4.0L/Aisin Warner trans in it. >It seems that a GM diesel would be a better choice. Yes I know that a GM >diesel is not as exciting as a MB diesel. But, there are existing kits >for putting a small block GM engine in to the Jeep. Using a kit can make >the difference between a bolt-in project and a never-ending project. yes and no... a GM V8 Diesel might be nicer in many ways, but it'd be a much tighter fit, and probably cost more to obtain. The 6.2L and 6.5L engines are rather large, what are they 379 Cubic inches or something like that? And heavy... The MB 3.0L TD would be about the same length/width/height as the 4.0L. :) Now, a GM V8 in an FSJ might be the way to go, especially in a pre-80 unit since all you'd have to do is recase a TH400 to make it all work... hmmm... Golden Eagle Diesel... only problem with that is if I did a conversion I'd want to drive it all the time and the Golden Eagle is too rough to make a respectable daily driver... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:30:04 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: fleet status At 02:19 AM 11/1/2002 +0000, xj-digest wrote: >Subject: xj: where have I been >Hey John, I have just been skimming the posts for a few months now, and I >came across your new projects. Last I knew you had super dawg, the 87xj, and >the new grand. Now you got a 280z, the golden eagle, sons got a 62 ford, your >thinking of another engine swap[the xj] AND your looking to get another MB. >And I thought I went threw a lot of cars.:^) I think you got WAY to much time >on your hands there. LOL. >Paul Bradway >86 Cherokee >70 Mustang >72 LTD convertible I see you've got the same wheels... how boring. ;) Actually we'd probably still have the little wag, superdawg and another benz if the xj not been totalled... wife loves the WJ and I'm still waiting for SuperDawg to get done. So the Golden Eagles, '87 xj and so on are just temporary... my son decided to sell the Galaxy after he got it running... I think it frightens him a bit... I went through the same thing when I built up a chevy luv once... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:32:33 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: moving overseas At 02:19 AM 11/1/2002 +0000, xj-digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:42:49 -0800 >From: "brett maxwell" >Subject: xj: I'm selling everything I own and moving overseas... (MJ, >axles, etc....) >I have responded to a greater calling in life, and am selling basically >everything I own and moving overseas to be a missionary for my Lord, Savior, >and friend Jesus Christ. >This includes front and rear Dana 44s, and soon, my lifted MJ. Please >follow one of these links for details: >http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=307807 >http://www.naxja.org/bbs/nt.cgi/read/48762 >Thank you >Brett awesome! Where are you and how much do you want for the MJ? My son my be interested... john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:52:28 -0800 From: john Subject: xj: Re: another idea... At 06:48 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Robert Crawford wrote: >On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 06:26 , john wrote: >>be a much tighter fit, and probably cost more to obtain. The 6.2L >>and 6.5L engines are rather large, what are they 379 Cubic inches or >>something like that? And heavy... The MB 3.0L TD would be about >>the same length/width/height as the 4.0L. :) > >I was thinking the smaller one, the V8 used in the autos. It was based on >the small block and even though the early ones had trouble the later years >were solid enough. I thought you were thinking about the Full Size >Jeep. For the smaller one the V6 used in the oldsmobile might work but I >have no idea how much power it put out. ah yes, the 5.7L and the 4.3L. If I could find a nice targetmaster 5.7L it would be ok. They fixed all the problems of the earlier design, roller-lifter cams, beefed up headbolts, redesigned gaskets and so on... they were decent engines. I don't know much about the 4.3L v6 so I'd take a wide berth around one. Problem is any that were good will have been driven to exhaustion by now... If I'm going through all the effort I'd rather use a proven engine like the 6.2/6.5 or the MBz TD. The Mercedes just has more class and would be so much better, even in an FSJ. Tommy in Sweden sent me a picture of an FSJ with a 240D mated with a volvo turbo... :) BTW, I did look at a new TD, 4 cyl, that's on ebay, but it's a bit much for my budget. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:49:35 -0500 From: Sean Subject: Re: xj: Re: another idea... Then there's always the Volvo TDs..... I remember reading where someone did that swap in a YJ, supposedly came out rather nice. Sean B. Schenectady, NY john wrote: > At 06:48 PM 10/31/2002 -0800, Robert Crawford wrote: > >> On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 06:26 , john wrote: >> >>> be a much tighter fit, and probably cost more to obtain. The 6.2L >>> and 6.5L engines are rather large, what are they 379 Cubic inches or >>> something like that? And heavy... The MB 3.0L TD would be about >>> the same length/width/height as the 4.0L. :) >> >> >> I was thinking the smaller one, the V8 used in the autos. It was >> based on the small block and even though the early ones had trouble >> the later years were solid enough. I thought you were thinking about >> the Full Size Jeep. For the smaller one the V6 used in the >> oldsmobile might work but I have no idea how much power it put out. > > > ah yes, the 5.7L and the 4.3L. If I could find a nice targetmaster > 5.7L it would be ok. They fixed all the problems of the earlier > design, roller-lifter cams, beefed up headbolts, redesigned gaskets > and so on... they were decent engines. I don't know much about the > 4.3L v6 so I'd take a wide berth around one. Problem is any that > were good will have been driven to exhaustion by now... If I'm > going through all the effort I'd rather use a proven engine like > the 6.2/6.5 or the MBz TD. The Mercedes just has more class and > would be so much better, even in an FSJ. Tommy in Sweden sent > me a picture of an FSJ with a 240D mated with a volvo turbo... :) > > BTW, I did look at a new TD, 4 cyl, that's on ebay, but it's > a bit much for my budget. :) > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 07:05:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:04:33 EST From: S1120-at-aol.com Subject: Re: xj: Re: fleet status In a message dated 10/31/2002 9:31:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > I see you've got the same wheels... how boring. ;) Well, There is one to add. A 1974 Dodge Powerwagon. Got it last winter. It was my dads, and after he passed away, it just sat for a few years. Only has 19K on the clock, but its all plowing, and houling wood miles. Needs a LOT of work. But I will hold on to it, it was my dads, and also I learned to drive on the thing when I was a kid. Now I just need some time to work on the stuff. Oh and now I am looking for an old tractor to restore.:^) Paul Bradway 86 Cherokee 70 Mustang 72 LTD convertible AND a 1974 Dodge Powerwagon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:24:13 -0500 From: "Darren K. Page" Subject: xj: 2.8 gearing A friend of mine just called me and asked what the standard gearing is on an XJ with the 2.8 V6. Does anyone know? He did not say if it was an auto or manual... Thanks. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren K. Page Montreal, Qc dkpage at videotron.ca 1990 Jeep Cherokee Sport Member of "Off-Roaders Anonymous" http://www.ora4x4.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:28:16 -0800 From: "D&K" Subject: xj: Re: 2.8 gearing 3.73 or 4.10. My 5 spd had 3.73,while a friends 4 spd has 4.10. Dennis >A friend of mine just called me and asked what the standard gearing is >on an XJ with the 2.8 V6. > >Does anyone know? He did not say if it was an auto or manual... > >Thanks. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Darren K. Page >Montreal, Qc >dkpage at videotron.ca > >1990 Jeep Cherokee Sport > >Member of "Off-Roaders Anonymous" >http://www.ora4x4.org ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1541 *************************