From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 22 20:30:43 2003 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, September 22 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1712 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: d30 brake problems xj: Re: d30 brake problems xj: Early 90's XJ Info, Please xj: RE: Early 90's XJ Info, Please xj: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bushwacker fender flares XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:08:30 -0600 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: xj: d30 brake problems I bought this front xj d30 a few months ago with high-steering setup and 4:56 gears to match my rear d35 on my red 88xj winter commuter. The brake rotors and calipers were shot, so I invested another $200 in new stuff and installed them, but no brakes. I then swapped in a different master cylinder with one from my daughter's rolled xj - still nothing. I then took the proportioning valve apart and cleaned it and ran fresh brake fluid through the system. The pads are new as well, but the pedal STILL goes all the way to the floor and barely engages the rear brakes. When the front end is elevated on jacks and a friend turns the tire/wheel, the front brakes engage enough to stop the front wheels from turning, but not when on the road. I even replaced the front brake lines tonight and was hoping that this might be the problem, but alas, no change at all. I don't suppose this'd have anything to do with the vacuum brake booster by any chance? I've bled the system so much that the fluid is now nice and clear. Before the axle swap, the brakes worked perfectly. I'm out of ideas and open to suggestions - what am I overlooking here? Thanks, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:50:31 -0600 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: xj: Re: d30 brake problems hmmm, that's a good thing to check since the previous d30 calipers wouldn't fit on my "new" d30 axle either, which is one reason I swapped on new rotors and calipers. UPDATE: I just went down to the garage and checked and sure enough, the bleeder nipples are on the bottom instead of the top. So if I swap the two sides, the bleeder nipples should be on top, correct? I'll give this a shot before going wheeling tomorrow if I have time. Thanks a bunch Brian, hope that's the problem! Aaron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "peterson" Make sure you put the calipers on the correct sides of the Jeep. The bleeder screws need to be on the top so air can bleed out properly. Sounds pretty obvious but I did this when I swapped out my front axle, the first time I bled the lines it worked great for months. That is why I was puzzled when upon replacing a brake hose up front I could never get my brakes to bleed. I actually took it to a shop and told them to deal with it. They found the calipers were installed upside down. I was amazed that they worked so well for the few months I had them like that. Went home and swapped them around, then I bled them again once and they worked great. Reason for the mix up in the first place so I don't look too stupid was my 91's calipers wouldn't bolt up to my swapped in 86's axle. Also the front brake hoses didn't fit very well regardless of the caliper being on backwards so I never really thought about it since they bolted in just fine. Hope this helps someone out there. :) Good times though, Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Storms" To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: xj: d30 brake problems > I bought this front xj d30 a few months ago with high-steering setup and > 4:56 gears to match my rear d35 on my red 88xj winter commuter. The brake > rotors and calipers were shot, so I invested another $200 in new stuff and > installed them, but no brakes. I then swapped in a different master cylinder > with one from my daughter's rolled xj - still nothing. I then took the > proportioning valve apart and cleaned it and ran fresh brake fluid through > the system. The pads are new as well, but the pedal STILL goes all the way > to the floor and barely engages the rear brakes. When the front end is > elevated on jacks and a friend turns the tire/wheel, the front brakes engage > enough to stop the front wheels from turning, but not when on the road. I > even replaced the front brake lines tonight and was hoping that this might > be the problem, but alas, no change at all. I don't suppose this'd have > anything to do with the vacuum brake booster by any chance? I've bled the > system so much that the fluid is now nice and clear. Before the axle swap, > the brakes worked perfectly. I'm out of ideas and open to suggestions - what > am I overlooking here? Thanks, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:26:49 -0700 From: Subject: xj: Early 90's XJ Info, Please Hello, all It looks like I may get back into Jeeps. I was real heavy into FSJ's but I had to drop all that to get the Mog. Anyway... I'm looking for a daily driver that, over time, would be a nice solid trail rig. I'm thinking that an early 90's Cherokee might be just the ticket, but I'm not sure. I need your help. I have no idea what I'm looking for. If you had a choice between 89-95 models, what year would you choose and why? What about the T-case? I forget which is which. I know that one is more desirable, but I can't remember which. Select-trac??? Or.... Should I pick up a 93-94 Grand Cherokee??? If I wait for the right deal, I can get one of them for about the same money. I seem to remember a viscous coupling in their T-case. That may not be as good an idea. Any tips on running gear and such would be a great help. Thanks in advance Fredric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:20:37 -0400 From: "Pete M." Subject: xj: RE: Early 90's XJ Info, Please Stay away from the 93 ZJ's... Especially the ones with the 4.0. My wife has a 95 ZJ limited, (5.2L V8 and fulltime 4wd..NO problems, ZJ's were notorious for tranny problems with the 4.0L) The ZJ is VERY expensive to turn into a trail rig, but the XJ is the trail rig of cu\hoice! I have an 85 Wagoneer XJ, 6" lift, 32's, and a Camaro 3.4 V6 swapped in. Get onewith the 4.0L engine, and I prefer the 242 transfer case (If you can find it, it will say 4 prart time and 4 full time) you can drive on the road in 4wd with the 242 without doing damage. XJ's are cheap to build, and parts are available from just about anywhere.... Just my .02 Pete M. Clemmons, NC - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of fitz100-at-verizon.net Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:27 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Early 90's XJ Info, Please Hello, all It looks like I may get back into Jeeps. I was real heavy into FSJ's but I had to drop all that to get the Mog. Anyway... I'm looking for a daily driver that, over time, would be a nice solid trail rig. I'm thinking that an early 90's Cherokee might be just the ticket, but I'm not sure. I need your help. I have no idea what I'm looking for. If you had a choice between 89-95 models, what year would you choose and why? What about the T-case? I forget which is which. I know that one is more desirable, but I can't remember which. Select-trac??? Or.... Should I pick up a 93-94 Grand Cherokee??? If I wait for the right deal, I can get one of them for about the same money. I seem to remember a viscous coupling in their T-case. That may not be as good an idea. Any tips on running gear and such would be a great help. Thanks in advance Fredric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:57:49 -0700 From: "Whit Hickman" Subject: xj: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bushwacker fender flares Thanks for the info. I've seen the process you are talking about but they had a really slick machine that bent the sheet metal. I'll probably go with a hammer and some sort of been bag. I don't expect that it will look all that great but as you say, it's mostly covered by the flare. Whit > > > I was apprehensive about doing the work myself. A local Jeep specialist, > Eliot Dunmore, who is probably the best and most trustworthy Jeep > technician > in the UK, did the work for me. Eliot has been working on Jeeps since the > brand restarted sales in the UK in 1993. Although he doesn't > drive off-road > himself, his passion is Rallying and he already had plenty of experience > producing this type of mod as it is often essential for competition Rally > cars with wider wheels and tyres. > > I'm fairly certain that Eliot produced some card templates that > were used to > cut the tub from flat sheet steel that he later rolled into the > appropriate > shape. The innermost part of my wheel tubs are original, the outer edges > from the top of the inner curve are new and run parallel with the > tyre tread > to the inside of the wing. Everything is welded up nicely and the > Bushwackers conceal the welded seam all around the edge of the tub. I am > really pleased with them. With a 33x12.50 on a 15x8 with 4.75" backspacing > and 5.5" of lift the tyre stuffs in their as far as my leafs allow > compressing the taller Rusty's Offroad bump stop. I have no rub > marks in the > rear after a year but the fronts have rubbed out near the coil > towers and on > the inside edges just above the horns. I don't know what it ramps to but I > go everywhere my friends go in similarly modified Wranglers. > > Although I left my Jeep with Eliot for a few weeks to allow him to > experiment, he reckons he can do the rears in a day now that he knows > exactly where to cut. The tub is custom made to fit the cut so I > don't think > it will be possible to make this part in advance without making extra > demands on making the cutting more precise. It's easier to scrap the new > sheet steel than fit a new rear wing! > > The only downsides is that the Bushwackers are a mud trap even with > substantial trimming of the returned edge. And at off-road events I often > have to check for 'inspectors' camped out under my Jeep checking out how > it's been built before I drive off. > > --- > Vincent Bentley > w: http://www.jeepclub.co.uk > t: +44(0)7900 437975 > e: vince-at-jeepclub.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Whit > Hickman > Sent: 16 September 2003 01:28 > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: xj: RE: RE: Bushwacker fender flares > > > Did you make the inner rear wheel tubs or have them made? I am running > around with big holes in the existing tubs due the extensive cutting you > have to do. I can do the welding but it sure would be nice to > have someone > supply the tub. > > Thanks, > Whit ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1712 *************************