From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 3 14:39:41 2003 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, December 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1742 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: Liberty rant Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks Re: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks RE: xj: '87 Cherokee Re: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee RE: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee Re: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:47:49 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: Liberty rant Don Hansen wrote: >WJ with a 4.0? Nice! I thought you were stuck with a V8 in them. > > yep, the default... goes faster then a KJ with that 3.7l v6 >I had to use my 4WD in today's 1st SNOW of the season... All of a quarter of >an inch...that got turned to 1/10 of an inch of ice by all the cars heat and >compression. Some people on the northern and western sides of Boston took >3-4 HOURS to go 15 miles!!! > sounds like Seattle at rush hour... what's the problem? (rush hour starts at 6am goes to 11am, then from 2pm to 7pm) > SUV's have actually made the driving worse >because all these YupMorons think they can go as fast as ever in any >conditions. They don;t realize that, yes, you GO better in snow and ice but >you don't STOP much better at all. Whenever there's a big tie-up on a >snowy day due to a vehicle in the ditch, its ALWAYS a four wheel drive >vehicle in said ditch. Often one that's passed me awhile back, flying. I >wave and say, "See you soon! > > Don Hansen > Braintree, MA. > fixxa-at-beld.net >1995 XJ Cherokee Sport "Henrietta" >1998 GMC Jimmy SLT >1988 Grand Wagoneer "Edna" >1987 Jeep J-20 Pickup "Miss Agnes" (Retired) >1989 MJ Comanche Pickup (2WD) "Martha" >1988 XJ (Retired, but coming back!) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john meister" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:07 PM >Subject: Re: xj: Re: Liberty rant > > > > >>that must be it... my '87 has over 246,000 miles on the ORIGINAL engine >>and trans. >>I changed the rear main seal, it was leaking... :) amazing engines... >>love 'em. FWIW, >>they still offer the 4.0L in the WJ and TJ. They went with the V6 in >>the KJ for space limitations... >>it's a gutless motor too... >> >>john >> >>Don Hansen wrote: >> >> >> >>>They tried to kill the XJ in 94 when the ZJ came out, but the pesky >>> >>> >public > > >>>kept wanting them! Now, however, the Germans don't care what the public >>>wants!!!!!! >>> >>>The 4.0 lasted too long, so the bean counters had to come up with the >>>"revolutionary" V-6 for the KJ that probably won't last 150k! >>> >>>-Don >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "john meister" >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:10 PM >>>Subject: Re: xj: Re: Liberty rant >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>we can't change history or the facts, what, you think we're democrats or >>>>something? ;) >>>> >>>>the jeep model codes are what they are. :) I'm not crazy about ZJ, CJ >>>>or YJs either... >>>>my choice is XJ, SJ and WJ... KJ is an anomoly, much like the ZJ, >>>>Chrysler gave >>>>us the ZJ, looks like the Benz boys gave us the KJ. Too bad they >>>>killed the XJ. :( >>>> >>>>john >>>> >>>>Jesse Barbieri wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>It wasnt really a post...it was a link to the jeep codes. >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Robert H Davis" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:31 AM >>>>>Subject: xj: Liberty rant >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Jesse, >>>>>>Who got your panties in a wad? I didn't see the post that brought this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>response from you. I agree this is a XJ posting board; but the Liberty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>can >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>be made into a Jeep with some careful modifications. No, I don't have >>>>> >>>>> >one > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>or >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>intend to have one. My J10 and XJ seem to take all my time and money as >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>it >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>is. Posers are not limited to the city folk who go into the country to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>show >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>off. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Bob >>>>>>'96 XJ >>>>>>'80 J10 sportside >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! >>>>>>http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't >>>>rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't >> rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:51:24 -0500 From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks I am going to check the voltage on them tomorrow or friday. I think i have a bad connection. It seems that (in the front doors) if a connector is disconnected, the other side wont work. - ----- Original Message ----- From: john meister Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 4:46 pm Subject: Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks > try a stereo/car alarm place... a local shop installed elex door > locks > in my J10 pretty reasonably... > > john > > barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: > > >The '87 is almost done. The only problem left is the door locks. > The power door locks do not work. They click, move slightly, but > do not move the lock. Does anybody know how to change these? It > seems like they are riveted into the door. I do not have the > original door key, so I need the electric locks big time. I see > them on ebay for about $25 a piece, but I am not going to get them > off ebay. I am sure I get get a boat load for less than that > anyway. Does anybody know how much these are new? > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:51:59 -0600 From: Tom Moulder Subject: Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks Mine didn't work on my '85, but I had a Viper alarm installed and they had to put in their own locking system as I didn't have the pins that are in the door frame to even allow the interior light to come on with the door open. My locks work with the key fob, plus I have a switch built into the console to lock/unlock, once I'm inside. I would rather the original switches worked, but this is much cheaper than tracing all the wiring or replacing the wiring harness and all switched. barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: >The '87 is almost done. The only problem left is the door locks. The power door locks do not work. They click, move slightly, but do not move the lock. Does anybody know how to change these? It seems like they are riveted into the door. I do not have the original door key, so I need the electric locks big time. I see them on ebay for about $25 a piece, but I am not going to get them off ebay. I am sure I get get a boat load for less than that anyway. Does anybody know how much these are new? > > > - -- "A day without sunshine is like night." tm/Houston/88NA/85XJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:52:36 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks Are you sure that the problem isn't a reluctant lock mechanism? If the solonoid's getting power and you're seeing s bit of movement, then the solonoids are probably fine. Maybe they aren't getting full voltage due to cruddy connections. I'd bet on rusty lock linkage, though. - -Don Hansen Braintree, MA. fixxa-at-beld.net 1995 XJ Cherokee Sport "Henrietta" 1998 GMC Jimmy SLT 1988 Grand Wagoneer "Edna" 1987 Jeep J-20 Pickup "Miss Agnes" (Retired) 1989 MJ Comanche Pickup (2WD) "Martha" 1988 XJ (Retired, but coming back!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: xj: '87 XJ Door locks > The '87 is almost done. The only problem left is the door locks. The power door locks do not work. They click, move slightly, but do not move the lock. Does anybody know how to change these? It seems like they are riveted into the door. I do not have the original door key, so I need the electric locks big time. I see them on ebay for about $25 a piece, but I am not going to get them off ebay. I am sure I get get a boat load for less than that anyway. Does anybody know how much these are new? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:56:52 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks check the driver's side switch... clean contacts john barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: >I am going to check the voltage on them tomorrow or friday. I think i have a bad connection. It seems that (in the front doors) if a connector is disconnected, the other side wont work. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: john meister >Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 4:46 pm >Subject: Re: xj: '87 XJ Door locks > > > >>try a stereo/car alarm place... a local shop installed elex door >>locks >>in my J10 pretty reasonably... >> >>john >> >>barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>The '87 is almost done. The only problem left is the door locks. >>> >>> >>The power door locks do not work. They click, move slightly, but >>do not move the lock. Does anybody know how to change these? It >>seems like they are riveted into the door. I do not have the >>original door key, so I need the electric locks big time. I see >>them on ebay for about $25 a piece, but I am not going to get them >>off ebay. I am sure I get get a boat load for less than that >>anyway. Does anybody know how much these are new? >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't >>rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:59:11 -0500 From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks Don, I lubed everything up real well. I couldnt even find a spec of rust inside the door panel. I must have went through two cans of penetrating oil. If it wasnt so damn cold here in Ny I would be out there working on it. Mayve I will go out for a couple seconds in about an hour. Jesse - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hansen Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 4:52 pm Subject: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks > Are you sure that the problem isn't a reluctant lock mechanism? > If the > solonoid's getting power and you're seeing s bit of movement, then the > solonoids are probably fine. Maybe they aren't getting full > voltage due to > cruddy connections. > I'd bet on rusty lock linkage, though. > > -Don Hansen > Braintree, MA. > fixxa-at-beld.net > 1995 XJ Cherokee Sport "Henrietta" > 1998 GMC Jimmy SLT > 1988 Grand Wagoneer "Edna" > 1987 Jeep J-20 Pickup "Miss Agnes" (Retired) > 1989 MJ Comanche Pickup (2WD) "Martha" > 1988 XJ (Retired, but coming back!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:39 PM > Subject: xj: '87 XJ Door locks > > > > The '87 is almost done. The only problem left is the door > locks. The > power door locks do not work. They click, move slightly, but do > not move > the lock. Does anybody know how to change these? It seems like > they are > riveted into the door. I do not have the original door key, so I > need the > electric locks big time. I see them on ebay for about $25 a > piece, but I am > not going to get them off ebay. I am sure I get get a boat load > for less > than that anyway. Does anybody know how much these are new? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:04:40 -0500 From: "Dora-ble, Adventure 4WD" Subject: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee Settle down. All are welcome here. Except people who spew hateful things. Dora-ble 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) http://www.adventure4WD.com 4WD Training and Adventures Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jesse Barbieri Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:17 AM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: '87 Cherokee The KJ "Liberty" does not deserve to be on that list. If it must be, it should be under its own section. We could call it "Stupid NYC people who think they can do some serious offroad when they go upstate to their multi-billion dollar house in a $20,000 average income community" It can be right up there with the BMW "off-road" vehicles. Im sorry, I just cant stand these people who come up here and think they own the road and everything else. They are my neighbors. We were burning leaves a couple weeks ago. No big deal. On top of a mountain, nobody around except for these guys. The guys wife comes by and sais "do you know what is happening in California?" I should have said, "yea do you know what happens there every year?" The next day they had hail in california. And these guys who come up here and ride their bicycles in the middle of the road. Who are you guys? Can we get a group started on wealty city people haters? Or can we just talk about it for a while? It would definitely relieve some of my Holiday Road Rage (which I dont need, i have enough agrivation at work). Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:15:46 -0500 From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee OK Im sorry. I just have an extreme case of that Holiday Road Rage. Any other time it would be normal Road Rage. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora-ble, Adventure 4WD" Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 5:04 pm Subject: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee > Settle down. All are welcome here. Except people who spew hateful > things. > > Dora-ble > 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s > 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s > Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) > http://www.adventure4WD.com > 4WD Training and Adventures > Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > Jesse Barbieri > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:17 AM > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: '87 Cherokee > > > The KJ "Liberty" does not deserve to be on that list. If it must > be, it > should be under its own section. We could call it "Stupid NYC people > who think they can do some serious offroad when they go upstate to > theirmulti-billion dollar house in a $20,000 average income community" > > It can be right up there with the BMW "off-road" vehicles. > > Im sorry, I just cant stand these people who come up here and > think they > own the road and everything else. They are my neighbors. We were > burning leaves a couple weeks ago. No big deal. On top of a > mountain,nobody around except for these guys. The guys wife comes > by and sais > "do you know what is happening in California?" I should have > said, "yea > do you know what happens there every year?" The next day they had > hailin california. > > And these guys who come up here and ride their bicycles in the > middle of > the road. Who are you guys? > > Can we get a group started on wealty city people haters? > > Or can we just talk about it for a while? It would definitely relieve > some of my Holiday Road Rage (which I dont need, i have enough > agrivation at work). > > Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:43:48 -0500 From: "Dora-ble, Adventure 4WD" Subject: RE: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee Nothing you can do to change other people. So you might as well learn to live with or ignore the idiots gracefully :) Happy holidays! Dora-ble 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) http://www.adventure4WD.com 4WD Training and Adventures Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of barbierij-at-optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:16 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: RE: xj: '87 Cherokee OK Im sorry. I just have an extreme case of that Holiday Road Rage. Any other time it would be normal Road Rage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:50:25 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks BTW, thanks for sending that cold stuff our way!!! - -Don Hansen Braintree, MA. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:59 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks > Don, > I lubed everything up real well. I couldnt even find a spec of rust inside the door panel. I must have went through two cans of penetrating oil. If it wasnt so damn cold here in Ny I would be out there working on it. Mayve I will go out for a couple seconds in about an hour. > > Jesse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Hansen > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 4:52 pm > Subject: xj: Re: '87 XJ Door locks > > > Are you sure that the problem isn't a reluctant lock mechanism? > > If the > > solonoid's getting power and you're seeing s bit of movement, then the > > solonoids are probably fine. Maybe they aren't getting full > > voltage due to > > cruddy connections. > > I'd bet on rusty lock linkage, though. > > > > -Don Hansen > > Braintree, MA. > > fixxa-at-beld.net > > 1995 XJ Cherokee Sport "Henrietta" > > 1998 GMC Jimmy SLT > > 1988 Grand Wagoneer "Edna" > > 1987 Jeep J-20 Pickup "Miss Agnes" (Retired) > > 1989 MJ Comanche Pickup (2WD) "Martha" > > 1988 XJ (Retired, but coming back!) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 4:39 PM > > Subject: xj: '87 XJ Door locks > > > > > > > The '87 is almost done. The only problem left is the door > > locks. The > > power door locks do not work. They click, move slightly, but do > > not move > > the lock. Does anybody know how to change these? It seems like > > they are > > riveted into the door. I do not have the original door key, so I > > need the > > electric locks big time. I see them on ebay for about $25 a > > piece, but I am > > not going to get them off ebay. I am sure I get get a boat load > > for less > > than that anyway. Does anybody know how much these are new? ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1742 *************************