From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Dec 8 10:54:08 2003 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, December 8 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1747 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: won't go fast... Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... xj: Slow XJ's & Yes It Is True The Admiral Is Back xj: Re: 4wd indicator light Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... Re: xj: won't go fast... Re: xj: won't go fast... xj: Re: won't go fast... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:53:04 -0500 From: Jesse Barbieri Subject: xj: Re: won't go fast... John, About a year ago I did that electronic switch thing, to manually control all gears with switches. I also had to make a switch for the torque converter lockup. When the lockup switch was on (giving power to the torque converter lockup) along with the TCU powered up, the transmission would shift through gears real quick, and almost stall out in 4th. I think it was wire 15 or 16 (a yellow one i think) on the tcu for the torque converter lockup. Perhaps there is constant power to the torque converter. Does it shift as you are saying when the tcu is unplugged? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john meister" To: "xj" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: xj: won't go fast... > Still trying to figure out why that '89 XJ with the 4.0L won't get up > and go... the transmission shifts way too early. If you manually shift > it it does better... > > just talked to the admiral (aka listmom) and his is doing about the same. > > alan chung if you have time perhaps you could look at this one or give > me an idea... > > later, > john > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:01:19 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... I haven't tried anything on this... looking for ideas... will have to meet up with the guy or have him come over... put about $600 worth of parts in his jeep making it run right, etc... still need to fix this issue. :) thanx for the input, something to look at when he gets here. john Jesse Barbieri wrote: > John, > > About a year ago I did that electronic switch thing, to manually control > all gears with switches. I also had to make a switch for the torque > converter lockup. When the lockup switch was on (giving power to the torque > converter lockup) along with the TCU powered up, the transmission would > shift through gears real quick, and almost stall out in 4th. I think it > was wire 15 or 16 (a yellow one i think) on the tcu for the torque converter > lockup. Perhaps there is constant power to the torque converter. Does it > shift as you are saying when the tcu is unplugged? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john meister" > To: "xj" > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:45 PM > Subject: xj: won't go fast... > > > >>Still trying to figure out why that '89 XJ with the 4.0L won't get up >>and go... the transmission shifts way too early. If you manually shift >>it it does better... >> >>just talked to the admiral (aka listmom) and his is doing about the same. >> >>alan chung if you have time perhaps you could look at this one or give >>me an idea... >> >>later, >>john >>-- >> ---- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - >>where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... >>I can hear the slap of his little feet... >>(using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:07:21 -0500 From: Jesse Barbieri Subject: Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... I will check the wiring on wed. at the earliest. I should have written down which wires control the gears on the tcu. You will find the tcu on the lower dash panel, just infront of the passenger seat. It is a grey box. Good luck. Jesse - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john meister" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... > I haven't tried anything on this... looking for ideas... will have > to meet up with the guy or have him come over... put about $600 worth > of parts in his jeep making it run right, etc... still need to fix > this issue. :) > > thanx for the input, > something to look at when he gets here. > > john > > Jesse Barbieri wrote: > > John, > > > > About a year ago I did that electronic switch thing, to manually control > > all gears with switches. I also had to make a switch for the torque > > converter lockup. When the lockup switch was on (giving power to the torque > > converter lockup) along with the TCU powered up, the transmission would > > shift through gears real quick, and almost stall out in 4th. I think it > > was wire 15 or 16 (a yellow one i think) on the tcu for the torque converter > > lockup. Perhaps there is constant power to the torque converter. Does it > > shift as you are saying when the tcu is unplugged? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john meister" > > To: "xj" > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:45 PM > > Subject: xj: won't go fast... > > > > > > > >>Still trying to figure out why that '89 XJ with the 4.0L won't get up > >>and go... the transmission shifts way too early. If you manually shift > >>it it does better... > >> > >>just talked to the admiral (aka listmom) and his is doing about the same. > >> > >>alan chung if you have time perhaps you could look at this one or give > >>me an idea... > >> > >>later, > >>john > >>-- > >> ---- > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - > >>where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... > >>I can hear the slap of his little feet... > >>(using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:43:20 -0500 From: Colucci B Subject: xj: Slow XJ's & Yes It Is True The Admiral Is Back Greetings to the XJ World! Yes I am really back as the owner of an XJ; a nice 87 Wagoneer. I purchased the little fellow off a guy on E-Bay who lives in CT. He got it from one of those auctions where people donate their cars to charity, and take the tax write off. It is obvious that the little XJ was pretty well taken care of until its owner just gave up on it. I'm thinking it was an older person who used to drive the XJ to his fishing cabin only on the week-end. Yes it has no get up & go. The engine is strong enough but the trany just seems to move its way right through the lower gears until hits fourth. You have to push the accelerator a good 3/4 of the way to the floor to get any go power at all; and even then it just does not want to come out of fourth unless you floor it; then it might go back to third. I wish I had a tach to better monitor this entire event. Maybe the guy with the 85 cream color farm Wagoneer would like to sell me his instrument cluster, and grill & headlight assembly. Then I could get this Jeep the way I want it. I have tried the trany switch in both power & comfort modes. It still seems gutless in each mode. My old 88 XJ used to really get up & go with the trany switch in the power mode. It was almost frightening how much power that XJ had. Has anybody ever tried to disconnect the trany computer & drive their XJ? Can you drive the truck with this computer disconnected. Is there a fuse for this computer? Does anybody know how the computer acts if it has been toasted? Does it have like a limp home mode? It sure feels like it is limping right now. I am almost wondering if a wire harness is disconnected. That might explain why the dash switch has no affect on the trany shift pattern. Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Starfleet Headquarters Ohio Post END TRANSMISSION.................................... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:39:43 -0800 From: john meister Subject: xj: Re: 4wd indicator light two things to check... 1) the vacuum system, probably the storage container, used to be under the pass side front bumper... not sure on the later models. 2) check the linkage/vac lines going to the xfr case. sounds like it's just taking it's time to engage, it seems that all of them do this... even my '87 with the 231 hesitates a bit... AND it doesn't come out of 4x4 right away either... I sometimes will put it in neutral and occassionaly will back up a bit... or I just drive it and it seems to eventually disconnect on it's own. I think every XJ I've owned does this... guess I've had 9 so far. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html later, john Larry A. Hughes wrote: > I have a 1995 jeep cherokee with 242 transfercase. The problem I have > is when the 4wd lever is put in 4wd the indicator light does not come > on all the time and when it does, the 4wd works fine, also it does not > always want to come out of 4wd What can I do to correct this problem? - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:50:04 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... thanx. I'd be interested in your manual box... I've been toying around with the idea of putting a Mercedes Turbo Diesel into my '87 XJ when this 4.0L finally dies... not sure when that'll happen, it "only" has 247,000 miles on it... :) But I'd like to keep the driveline intact, just make an adapter to the AW4. I know jim blair always sings the praises of the nissan Diesels and how they'll bolt right up, but I know how to work on the Mercedes Diesels. :) Anyway, the big issue with the AW4 is the computer controlled aspect, but with a manual switch box I could design a control unit to shift based on speed and still have a manual override... :) john Jesse Barbieri wrote: > I will check the wiring on wed. at the earliest. > I should have written down which wires control the gears on the tcu. > You will find the tcu on the lower dash panel, just infront of the passenger > seat. It is a grey box. > Good luck. > Jesse > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john meister" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: xj: Re: won't go fast... > > > >>I haven't tried anything on this... looking for ideas... will have >>to meet up with the guy or have him come over... put about $600 worth >>of parts in his jeep making it run right, etc... still need to fix >>this issue. :) >> >>thanx for the input, >>something to look at when he gets here. >> >>john >> >>Jesse Barbieri wrote: >> >>>John, >>> >>> About a year ago I did that electronic switch thing, to manually > > control > >>>all gears with switches. I also had to make a switch for the torque >>>converter lockup. When the lockup switch was on (giving power to the > > torque > >>>converter lockup) along with the TCU powered up, the transmission would >>>shift through gears real quick, and almost stall out in 4th. I think > > it > >>>was wire 15 or 16 (a yellow one i think) on the tcu for the torque > > converter > >>>lockup. Perhaps there is constant power to the torque converter. Does > > it > >>>shift as you are saying when the tcu is unplugged? >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "john meister" >>>To: "xj" >>>Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:45 PM >>>Subject: xj: won't go fast... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Still trying to figure out why that '89 XJ with the 4.0L won't get up >>>>and go... the transmission shifts way too early. If you manually shift >>>>it it does better... >>>> >>>>just talked to the admiral (aka listmom) and his is doing about the > > same. > >>>>alan chung if you have time perhaps you could look at this one or give >>>>me an idea... >>>> >>>>later, >>>>john >>>>-- >>>> ---- >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>>** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - >>>>where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>>The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... >>>>I can hear the slap of his little feet... >>>>(using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) >> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >> >>-- >> ---- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - >>where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... >>I can hear the slap of his little feet... >>(using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Subject: Re: xj: won't go fast... Hey John Make sure the TPS is adjusted properly. I messed around with mine once and when it was way off...the tranny would up shift early. Also make sure you are going full throttle too, as sometimes those thottle cables stretch. I fixed my stretch by putting a washer on the cable by the gas pedal, so it would go full throttle without pushing hard on the pedal. Mahalo Alan Chung 90 Cherokee Limited 4.6 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:02:37 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: won't go fast... Is the TPS the sensor on the left as you look at the front of the Throttle body? I pulled that one off and cleaned it... the oen to the right is spring loaded, I cleaned that too... any pictures? thanx, john Alan wrote: > Hey John > > Make sure the TPS is adjusted properly. I messed around with mine > once and when it was way off...the tranny would up shift early. Also > make sure you are going full throttle too, as sometimes those thottle > cables stretch. I fixed my stretch by putting a washer on the cable by > the gas pedal, so it would go full throttle without pushing hard on the > pedal. > > Mahalo Alan Chung 90 Cherokee Limited 4.6 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:01:02 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: won't go fast... John, Have you checked the air filter for oil? My 89 was running and idleing like crap and the filter was 90% clogged with oil due to the thin tube from the back of the valve cover being clogged. - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john meister" To: "xj" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: xj: won't go fast... > Still trying to figure out why that '89 XJ with the 4.0L won't get up > and go... the transmission shifts way too early. If you manually shift > it it does better... > > just talked to the admiral (aka listmom) and his is doing about the same. > > alan chung if you have time perhaps you could look at this one or give > me an idea... > > later, > john > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** john-at-wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... > I can hear the slap of his little feet... > (using Mozilla Thunderbird on SUSE 9.0 Linux... and loving it...) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1747 *************************