From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 23 16:35:44 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, January 24 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1769 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Shakes xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard Re: xj: Shakes Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard xj: weather stripping Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:57:15 -0800 From: "XJ List" Subject: xj: Shakes Shakes and noises John: - ---you might want to pull the rear diff cover and change the - ---gear lube... if there is any... Need to do that anyway... it's due in <100 miles! I also need to find out if the bearing froze or something. - ---also, check the level of fluid in your xfr case... It's got a good level of fluid. - ---does it make any sounds in 2wd while turning a corner? John, this thing is 16 years old and has the jeep logo on it. What kinda sounds do ya want. I have an assortment! Seriously, theres nothing that stands out front or rear in 2wd while turning. I found a great website for troubleshooting driveline vibrations: http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/us50126.htm It might prove helpful. I will look in the diff at the gears and of course change the lube and seal. Unless i find the culprit, I think I will stick it on jack stands and isolate noises while in "D". Then, I think it might require a professional. We have a great "Jeeps only" garage in town run by an old guy who I think might have worked on the first ones in the motorpool. I'll try to keep you updated. john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:54:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming microsoft has suddenly taken to spamming. i blocked one single source the other day, but now it's sprung up from another angle. if they keep moving around like this, stamping it out could take years and cost millions of lives [1] i am reviewing my options. i am not doing this right away, but i may end up deciding not to accept any email from microsoft.com addresses. i will send a note in advance if i find it necessary to do so. for now, i'm probably going to block a specific IP address on the net. i might add (i know that there are some M$ employees on the list) that i do not do business with spammers, and while i am primarily an Open Source kind of guy, i've still been willing to buy a copy of an M$ OS or Office when the need arose. no more. furthermore, as a consultant, i will feel obligated to point out M$ spam to clients when software choices are discussed (while leaving them to make their own decision.) richard (john meister, if you could pass this news along to xj and fsj, i'd appreciate it.) [1] i do not play the "opt out" game, i do not follow links to opt anything out. don't even think about suggesting that. when i get opt out email, i install server blocks. there is no room for discussion here, this is the policy and the policy is this. - - -- Richard Welty rwelty-at-averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security - ------------------------------ ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:18:13 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Shakes thanx for the humorous reply... cracked me up... :) > John, this thing is 16 years old and has the jeep logo on it. What kinda sounds do ya want. I have an assortment! john XJ List wrote: > Shakes and noises > > John: > ---you might want to pull the rear diff cover and change the > ---gear lube... if there is any... > > Need to do that anyway... it's due in <100 miles! I also need to find > out if the bearing froze or something. > > ---also, check the level of fluid in your xfr case... > > It's got a good level of fluid. > > ---does it make any sounds in 2wd while turning a corner? > > John, this thing is 16 years old and has the jeep logo on it. What kinda > sounds do ya want. I have an assortment! Seriously, theres nothing that > stands out front or rear in 2wd while turning. > > I found a great website for troubleshooting driveline vibrations: > http://www.babcox.com/editorial/us/us50126.htm > It might prove helpful. I will look in the diff at the gears and of > course change the lube and seal. Unless i find the culprit, I think I > will stick it on jack stands and isolate noises while in "D". Then, I > think it might require a professional. We have a great "Jeeps only" > garage in town run by an old guy who I think might have worked on the > first ones in the motorpool. I'll try to keep you updated. > > john > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:14:07 -0500 From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard You know, The messages could have come from a source other than Microsoft.com People use "manipulators" Have you ever gotten an email that said "re:" in the subject line, and in the body said "the message could not be delivered due to a virus in the attatched file" or some crap like that Or get a reply from somebody you never spoke to before? Ah, Crap. Just blame Microsoft. - ----- Original Message ----- From: john Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:54 pm Subject: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard > [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Richard Welty > Subject: [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > > microsoft has suddenly taken to spamming. i blocked one single > source the other day, but now it's sprung up from another angle. > if they keep moving around like this, stamping it out could take > years and cost millions of lives [1] > > i am reviewing my options. i am not doing this right away, but i may > end up deciding not to accept any email from microsoft.com addresses. > i will send a note in advance if i find it necessary to do so. for > now,i'm probably going to block a specific IP address on the net. > > i might add (i know that there are some M$ employees on the list) > that i do not do business with spammers, and while i am primarily > an Open Source kind of guy, i've still been willing to buy a copy > of an M$ OS or Office when the need arose. no more. furthermore, > as a consultant, i will feel obligated to point out M$ spam to clients > when software choices are discussed (while leaving them to make > their own decision.) > > richard > (john meister, if you could pass this news along to xj and fsj, > i'd appreciate it.) > > [1] i do not play the "opt out" game, i do not follow links to opt > anything out. don't even think about suggesting that. when i get > opt out email, i install server blocks. there is no room for > discussion here, this is the policy and the policy is this. > - -- > Richard Welty > rwelty-at-averillpark.netAverill Park Networking > 518-573-7592 > Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, > Security > ------------------------------ > > ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:31:59 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard who knows, I didn't see the message... I get tons of spam and didn't see that one... but I trust Richard, he's very active in the battle against spam and for open source... john barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: > You know, The messages could have come from a source other than Microsoft.com > > People use "manipulators" > > Have you ever gotten an email that said "re:" in the subject line, and in the body said "the message could not be delivered due to a virus in the attatched file" > or some crap like that > > Or get a reply from somebody you never spoke to before? > > Ah, Crap. Just blame Microsoft. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: john > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:54 pm > Subject: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard > > >> [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming >>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) >>From: Richard Welty >>Subject: [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming >> >>microsoft has suddenly taken to spamming. i blocked one single >>source the other day, but now it's sprung up from another angle. >>if they keep moving around like this, stamping it out could take >>years and cost millions of lives [1] >> >>i am reviewing my options. i am not doing this right away, but i may >>end up deciding not to accept any email from microsoft.com addresses. >>i will send a note in advance if i find it necessary to do so. for >>now,i'm probably going to block a specific IP address on the net. >> >>i might add (i know that there are some M$ employees on the list) >>that i do not do business with spammers, and while i am primarily >>an Open Source kind of guy, i've still been willing to buy a copy >>of an M$ OS or Office when the need arose. no more. furthermore, >>as a consultant, i will feel obligated to point out M$ spam to clients >>when software choices are discussed (while leaving them to make >>their own decision.) >> >>richard >> (john meister, if you could pass this news along to xj and fsj, >> i'd appreciate it.) >> >>[1] i do not play the "opt out" game, i do not follow links to opt >>anything out. don't even think about suggesting that. when i get >>opt out email, i install server blocks. there is no room for >>discussion here, this is the policy and the policy is this. >>- -- >>Richard Welty >>rwelty-at-averillpark.netAverill Park Networking >> 518-573-7592 >> Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, >>Security >>------------------------------ >> >>********************************** > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard This is very irresponsible of you to send this with absolutly NO supporting evidence that this is actually happening. Where's the header information? Where's the trace to map the path through the listed email servers? Without this information, all this email does is propagate the small minded mentality of "bashing". Bashing in all forms is pointless and only serves to promote a single user's disgruntled attitude... I particularly find it humourous that the writer says that they will never do business with Microsoft again because of this...This statement alone belies the writers inability to see the bigger picture. Making such a statement is like saying you will never do business with General Motors...good luck, Microsoft, like General Motors, like every large comglomerate corporation, has their fingers in thousands of pies. It is impossible to avoid Microsoft in all of it's various incarnations! So, please, keep with the 4 rules of this list and leave things like this person's opinion to other lists. Ed web/gadget guru - --- john wrote: > [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) > From: Richard Welty > Subject: [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > > microsoft has suddenly taken to spamming. i blocked > one single ===== In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more fraudulent claims. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:26:33 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard 1) Richard Welty owns this list server 2) I started this list. 3) If Richard says microsoft is spamming, microsoft is spamming, he is a well recognized expert in mail servers and networking and active in many of the issues involving open source and email. He wouldn't have posted the subject if it wasn't verified and factual. Bottom line, when the guy that provides us a free place to host this list asks me to forward this to the lists I do. :) 4 rules not withstanding... Richard's email was included, take up the issue with him... I've known Richard since '97, nothing irresponsible about him. While I didn't see the offending spam I don't have to I trust Richard on this one. :) Right now the internet is wrestling with viruses, spam, etc... we're in a battle... guys like Richard are fighting for your freedom. :) There are a number of issues going on that microsoft is behind, we're discussing some of it on the off-topic list right now, check this out: http://slweekly.com/editorial/2004/feat_2004-01-22.cfm john > This is very irresponsible of you to send this with > absolutly NO supporting evidence that this is actually > happening. > Where's the header information? > Where's the trace to map the path through the listed > email servers? > Without this information, all this email does is > propagate the small minded mentality of "bashing". > Bashing in all forms is pointless and only serves to > promote a single user's disgruntled attitude... > I particularly find it humourous that the writer says > that they will never do business with Microsoft again > because of this...This statement alone belies the > writers inability to see the bigger picture. Making > such a statement is like saying you will never do > business with General Motors...good luck, Microsoft, > like General Motors, like every large comglomerate > corporation, has their fingers in thousands of pies. > It is impossible to avoid Microsoft in all of it's > various incarnations! > So, please, keep with the 4 rules of this list and > leave things like this person's opinion to other > lists. > Ed > web/gadget guru > > --- john wrote: > > [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) > > From: Richard Welty > > Subject: [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > > > > microsoft has suddenly taken to spamming. i blocked > > one single > > > ===== > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials > for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released > but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more > fraudulent claims. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:38:35 -0800 (PST) From: mark jones Subject: xj: weather stripping Anyone know a good supplier of weather stripping? I'm looking for doors and tailgate. Can't seem to find them anywhere on the web. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:34:15 -0500 From: Jesse Barbieri Subject: Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard An email manipulator works like this: You choose the email adress you want the email to come from You choose the email POP you want the email to come from You choose the IP you want the email to come from What else do you want to know? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Ed Kummel" ; ; Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: Re: xj: Microsoft Spamming... a message from Richard > 1) Richard Welty owns this list server > 2) I started this list. > 3) If Richard says microsoft is spamming, microsoft is spamming, he > is a well recognized expert in mail servers and networking and active > in many of the issues involving open source and email. He wouldn't have > posted the subject if it wasn't verified and factual. > > Bottom line, when the guy that provides us a free place to host > this list asks me to forward this to the lists I do. :) 4 rules > not withstanding... > > Richard's email was included, take up the issue with him... I've > known Richard since '97, nothing irresponsible about him. While > I didn't see the offending spam I don't have to I trust Richard on > this one. :) > > Right now the internet is wrestling with viruses, spam, etc... we're > in a battle... guys like Richard are fighting for your freedom. :) > > There are a number of issues going on that microsoft is behind, we're > discussing some of it on the off-topic list right now, check this out: > http://slweekly.com/editorial/2004/feat_2004-01-22.cfm > > john > > This is very irresponsible of you to send this with > > absolutly NO supporting evidence that this is actually > > happening. > > Where's the header information? > > Where's the trace to map the path through the listed > > email servers? > > Without this information, all this email does is > > propagate the small minded mentality of "bashing". > > Bashing in all forms is pointless and only serves to > > promote a single user's disgruntled attitude... > > I particularly find it humourous that the writer says > > that they will never do business with Microsoft again > > because of this...This statement alone belies the > > writers inability to see the bigger picture. Making > > such a statement is like saying you will never do > > business with General Motors...good luck, Microsoft, > > like General Motors, like every large comglomerate > > corporation, has their fingers in thousands of pies. > > It is impossible to avoid Microsoft in all of it's > > various incarnations! > > So, please, keep with the 4 rules of this list and > > > leave things like this person's opinion to other > > lists. > > Ed > > web/gadget guru > > > > --- john wrote: > > > [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:16 -0500 (EST) > > > From: Richard Welty > > > Subject: [db] administrivia: Microsoft Spamming > > > > > > microsoft has suddenly taken to spamming. i blocked > > > one single > > > > > > ===== > > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials > > for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be > > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The > > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous > > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released > > but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more > > fraudulent claims. > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1769 *************************