From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 28 13:17:18 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, January 28 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1772 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: top truck challenge xj: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] xj: RE: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] xj: RE: top truck challenge Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] Re: xj: RE: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:40:38 -0800 From: john meister Subject: xj: top truck challenge hey... dan starc has decided to enter top truck challenge this year... we'll be getting together next week to figure out how to get the word out... will put up a web page... put the word out on any other xj lists you might be on... john meister - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:55:39 -0800 From: john meister Subject: xj: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] Dora, someone else found another link... The best part is that they don't even stop after the initial cracking. That was awesome! If you can't right-click that link, you can go to this page and right click it: http://216.119.97.247/link.asp Matt - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 PM To: fsj; xj Subject: fsj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] do a right click, save as... it won't open... http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) john - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:16:37 -0600 From: "WebMail Guest" Subject: RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] So what exactly is happening here? It looks like the whole rear panel of the car is ripped off. The bumper for sure, but I imagine there is a sheet metal panel that is spot welded to the two inner quarter panels and it looks like that whole panel is ripped off! Jeff - -----Original Message----- Date: Tue 01/27/04 10:45 PM From: john meister To: fsj , xj CC: Subject: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] do a right click, save as... it won't open... http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) john - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- This message was sent using airstreamcomm.net WebMail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:30:35 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] looks like the mount where the tow hook (required on all cars in Europe) wasn't welded on properly or rusted... either way that should NOT have happened... you should be able to hang that car from that hook... yep, it ripped the entire back shroud and bumper off... looks worse then it is... still expensive, but could be put back together in a day. :) have no idea who that is or where that happened... john > So what exactly is happening here? It looks like the whole rear panel of the > car is ripped off. The bumper for sure, but I imagine there is a sheet metal > panel that is spot welded to the two inner quarter panels and it looks like that > whole panel is ripped off! Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Tue 01/27/04 10:45 PM > From: john meister > To: fsj , xj > CC: > Subject: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > john > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > This message was sent using airstreamcomm.net WebMail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:22:04 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] I think they had the strap just hooked under the bumper. You can see it bending in the bit just before it goes south! - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "WebMail Guest" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > looks like the mount where the tow hook (required on all cars > in Europe) wasn't welded on properly or rusted... either way > that should NOT have happened... you should be able to hang > that car from that hook... > > yep, it ripped the entire back shroud and bumper off... looks > worse then it is... still expensive, but could be put back > together in a day. :) have no idea who that is or where that happened... > > john > > So what exactly is happening here? It looks like the whole rear panel of the > > car is ripped off. The bumper for sure, but I imagine there is a sheet metal > > panel that is spot welded to the two inner quarter panels and it looks like that > > whole panel is ripped off! Jeff > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Tue 01/27/04 10:45 PM > > From: john meister > > To: fsj , xj > > CC: > > Subject: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll > > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > > > john > > > > -- > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > This message was sent using airstreamcomm.net WebMail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:04:56 -0500 From: "Dora-ble, Adventure 4WD" Subject: xj: RE: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] That one worked! THANKS :) Dora-ble 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) http://www.adventure4WD.com 4WD Training and Adventures Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:56 AM To: xj Subject: xj: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] Dora, someone else found another link... The best part is that they don't even stop after the initial cracking. That was awesome! If you can't right-click that link, you can go to this page and right click it: http://216.119.97.247/link.asp Matt - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 PM To: fsj; xj Subject: fsj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] do a right click, save as... it won't open... http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) john - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:05:21 -0500 From: "Dora-ble, Adventure 4WD" Subject: xj: RE: top truck challenge SO COOOOL. With what rig? His khaki one? How is dan doing these days? Havent talked to him since moab 2001.... Dora-ble 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) http://www.adventure4WD.com 4WD Training and Adventures Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:41 AM To: xj Subject: xj: top truck challenge hey... dan starc has decided to enter top truck challenge this year... we'll be getting together next week to figure out how to get the word out... will put up a web page... put the word out on any other xj lists you might be on... john meister - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:35:30 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] yeah, but look at the remains... it pulled the part with the hook off at the welds to the body pan... the hook attaches to the bumper support... most american cars don't have this, but in europe/japan they're required... notice that the hook is on the driver's side... check a bmw or vw or benz... they all have it on the driver's side... and one on the pass side in front... would be nice if our Jeeps had them from the factory too (mlc. ;) john > I think they had the strap just hooked under the bumper. You can see it > bending in the bit just before it goes south! > > -Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: "WebMail Guest" ; > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:30 PM > Subject: RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > looks like the mount where the tow hook (required on all cars > > in Europe) wasn't welded on properly or rusted... either way > > that should NOT have happened... you should be able to hang > > that car from that hook... > > > > yep, it ripped the entire back shroud and bumper off... looks > > worse then it is... still expensive, but could be put back > > together in a day. :) have no idea who that is or where that happened... > > > > john > > > So what exactly is happening here? It looks like the whole rear panel > of the > > > car is ripped off. The bumper for sure, but I imagine there is a sheet > metal > > > panel that is spot welded to the two inner quarter panels and it looks > like that > > > whole panel is ripped off! Jeff > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Date: Tue 01/27/04 10:45 PM > > > From: john meister > > > To: fsj , xj > > > CC: > > > Subject: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > > > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > > > > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > > > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll > > > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > > > > > john > > > > > > -- > > > ---- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ---- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This message was sent using airstreamcomm.net WebMail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:40:00 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: RE: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] great... made me nervous to watch them stand by the side of that strap... bad things DO happen when yankin'. :) john > That one worked! > THANKS :) > > Dora-ble > 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s > 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s > Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) > http://www.adventure4WD.com > 4WD Training and Adventures > Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > meister > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:56 AM > To: xj > Subject: xj: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] > > > Dora, someone else found another link... > > > > The best part is that they don't even stop after the initial cracking. > > That was awesome! > > If you can't right-click that link, you can go to this page and right > click > it: http://216.119.97.247/link.asp > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > john meister > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 PM > To: fsj; xj > Subject: fsj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... (of > course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > john > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1772 *************************