From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jan 29 19:13:09 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, January 30 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1773 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: RE: top truck challenge Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] xj: Re: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] Re: xj: Re: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] Re: xj: RE: top truck challenge XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:43:13 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: RE: top truck challenge http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/DanStarc-89XJ/ he's doing fine... we had lunch yesterday... or was it monday? :) funny because he shows up in a bmw and I show up in a benz... funny how it is with Jeeps... you love 'em, but don't spend nearly as much time with them... ;) john > SO COOOOL. With what rig? His khaki one? How is dan doing these days? > Havent talked to him since moab 2001.... > > Dora-ble > 2001 XJ w/8" Skyjacker RockReady and 33s > 1997 TJ w/4" Superlift Rockrunner and 35s > Adventure 4WD, Inc. (formerly Let's Go Jeepin) > http://www.adventure4WD.com > 4WD Training and Adventures > Parts and Recovery Gear Outfitters > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > meister > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:41 AM > To: xj > Subject: xj: top truck challenge > > > hey... dan starc has decided to enter top truck challenge this year... > we'll be getting together next week to figure out how to get the word > out... will put up a web page... put the word out on any other xj lists > you might be on... > > john meister > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:05:11 -0800 (PST) From: Billy Baynes Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] I thought those hooks or loops were just use by their assembly line setup to pull the cars along the line. - --- wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net wrote: > yeah, but look at the remains... it pulled the part with the hook > off at the welds to the body pan... the hook attaches to the bumper > support... most american cars don't have this, but in europe/japan > they're required... > > notice that the hook is on the driver's side... check a bmw or vw or > benz... they all have it on the driver's side... and one on the pass > side > in front... would be nice if our Jeeps had them from the factory too > (mlc. ;) > > john > > I think they had the strap just hooked under the bumper. You can see > it > > bending in the bit just before it goes south! > > > > -Don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: "WebMail Guest" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:30 PM > > Subject: RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > > > > looks like the mount where the tow hook (required on all cars > > > in Europe) wasn't welded on properly or rusted... either way > > > that should NOT have happened... you should be able to hang > > > that car from that hook... > > > > > > yep, it ripped the entire back shroud and bumper off... looks > > > worse then it is... still expensive, but could be put back > > > together in a day. :) have no idea who that is or where that > happened... > > > > > > john > > > > So what exactly is happening here? It looks like the whole rear > panel > > of the > > > > car is ripped off. The bumper for sure, but I imagine there is a > sheet > > metal > > > > panel that is spot welded to the two inner quarter panels and it > looks > > like that > > > > whole panel is ripped off! Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Date: Tue 01/27/04 10:45 PM > > > > From: john meister > > > > To: fsj , xj > > > > CC: > > > > Subject: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > > > > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > > > > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > > > > > > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > > > > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but > you'll > > > > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - > http://wagoneers.com > > > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new > alternatives > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - > http://wagoneers.com > > > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new > alternatives > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This message was sent using airstreamcomm.net WebMail. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:27:51 -0500 From: Jesse Barbieri Subject: xj: Re: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] If that file wasnt all over this list, I would have said they wanted money, so they tried to fool the insurance company and get money real quick. Or they are going to modify the car and put a body kit on it. I cant see how anybody can be so stupid. You wait until there is tension on the tow strap, then pull slowly. Never use the same spot more than 3 tries. How does that sound? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john meister" To: "xj" Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: xj: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] > Dora, someone else found another link... > > > > The best part is that they don't even stop after the initial cracking. > > That was awesome! > > If you can't right-click that link, you can go to this page and right click > it: http://216.119.97.247/link.asp > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > meister > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 PM > To: fsj; xj > Subject: fsj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > john > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > ---- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:35:15 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] nope. required on the cars... required equipment in germany was a first aid kit, safety triangle, tow strap recommended but not required... they wanted folks to haul each other off the autobahn ASAP. :) john > I thought those hooks or loops were just use by their assembly line setup > to pull the cars along the line. > > > --- wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net wrote: > > yeah, but look at the remains... it pulled the part with the hook > > off at the welds to the body pan... the hook attaches to the bumper > > support... most american cars don't have this, but in europe/japan > > they're required... > > > > notice that the hook is on the driver's side... check a bmw or vw or > > benz... they all have it on the driver's side... and one on the pass > > side > > in front... would be nice if our Jeeps had them from the factory too > > (mlc. ;) > > > > john > > > I think they had the strap just hooked under the bumper. You can see > > it > > > bending in the bit just before it goes south! > > > > > > -Don > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Cc: "WebMail Guest" ; > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:30 PM > > > Subject: RE: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > > > > > > > looks like the mount where the tow hook (required on all cars > > > > in Europe) wasn't welded on properly or rusted... either way > > > > that should NOT have happened... you should be able to hang > > > > that car from that hook... > > > > > > > > yep, it ripped the entire back shroud and bumper off... looks > > > > worse then it is... still expensive, but could be put back > > > > together in a day. :) have no idea who that is or where that > > happened... > > > > > > > > john > > > > > So what exactly is happening here? It looks like the whole rear > > panel > > > of the > > > > > car is ripped off. The bumper for sure, but I imagine there is a > > sheet > > > metal > > > > > panel that is spot welded to the two inner quarter panels and it > > looks > > > like that > > > > > whole panel is ripped off! Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Date: Tue 01/27/04 10:45 PM > > > > > From: john meister > > > > > To: fsj , xj > > > > > CC: > > > > > Subject: xj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > > > > > > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > > > > > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > > > > > > > > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > > > > > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but > > you'll > > > > > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - > > http://wagoneers.com > > > > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new > > alternatives > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - > > http://wagoneers.com > > > > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new > > alternatives > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > This message was sent using airstreamcomm.net WebMail. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:37:06 +0000 From: wagoneers.com-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] well, they probably shouldn't have yanked it like they did... but considering they were trying to two the car with a dakota you'd figure that they had to get a running start since even a 4x4 dakota doesn't do much better then a fwd car. ;) I had to pull my neighbor's 4x4 dakota out with my jeep... john > If that file wasnt all over this list, I would have said they wanted money, > so they tried to fool the insurance company and get money real quick. > Or they are going to modify the car and put a body kit on it. > I cant see how anybody can be so stupid. You wait until there is tension on > the tow strap, then pull slowly. Never use the same spot more than 3 tries. > > How does that sound? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john meister" > To: "xj" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:55 AM > Subject: xj: [Fwd: fsj: RE: [Fwd: this just in... :)]] > > > > Dora, someone else found another link... > > > > > > > > The best part is that they don't even stop after the initial cracking. > > > > That was awesome! > > > > If you can't right-click that link, you can go to this page and right > click > > it: http://216.119.97.247/link.asp > > > > Matt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > > meister > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:45 PM > > To: fsj; xj > > Subject: fsj: [Fwd: this just in... :)] > > > > do a right click, save as... it won't open... > > http://magnus.pbnation.com/snowtowcar.wmv > > > > see if you can spot the safety violations with the tow strap... > > (of course the best part wasn't a result of failed safety... but you'll > > see... :) (this was on the big mercedes list...) > > > > john > > > > -- > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com > > where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:54:32 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: RE: top truck challenge John, I posted this message and link on the CO-XJ and Mad-XJ lists as well. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help out. Aaron One of my long-time email xj buds from Seattle, Dan Starc, has entered his khaki xj in this year's Four Wheeler Magazine Tough Truck Challenge and needs all of our help with voting him in as a finalist from the top 100 magazine staff pics. Please vote when you get the opportunity and I'll post more info as I get it. I posted a few pics in the Storms Moab folder at http://community.webshots.com/user/aaronstorms. Thanks, Aaron ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1773 *************************