From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Feb 29 08:41:18 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Sunday, February 29 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1790 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: ot: road warrior "on ramps'? Re: xj: RE: RE: Diesel vs Gas MB E model xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:53:46 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: ot: road warrior "on ramps'? I found a Best Western that has high speed... ;) AOL??!!! I'm a UNIX Sys Admin for goodness sake... do they have a version that works on Linux???? ;) john Jason wrote: >John you need to book up the class of your motel rooms, even in Wyoming the >Only Hotel I stay at that doesn't have High Speed in the room is the >"Holiday" in Riverton. Even all the Choice international hotels are adding >that too. > >I know it's a sin to recommend...but AOL may be your best bet. See how many >free trials you can do before they catch on! :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 9:05 PM >Subject: xj: ot: road warrior "on ramps'? > > > > >>It looks like I'm going to be doing the road warrior >>gig through April... flying down to Tucson on Sunday >>to teach three days of Solaris, week and a half later >>back down to Oregon for 2 days of Solaris, then the >>end of March in MO for a day of HP-UX and Solaris and >>three days of Linux... then maybe three weeks in PA... >>I think Denver and Red Hat are part of the mix too... >>If I could line 'em all up at once I could just drive >>to 'em all, but it never works that nicely. :) (BTW, >>my '91 300d got 37.8mpg on the trip home from the last >>Linux class in Oregon!!!) >> >>anyway... my question is this... what's a suitable >>and inexpensive dialup service that I can access in >>places like Sierra Vista, AZ, Mount Poconno, PA, Denver, CO, >>and Jefferson City, MO??? >> >>At least in Oregon the hotel had high speed internet >>access in the room... >> >>I've got a netzero dialup but all the crap that came >>through in ads and popups isn't worth the "free" part. >> >>Any thoughts on using Earthlink? I had a trial account >>when I was back in PA a couple years ago and it was >>ok... >> >>The other option is to use my cell phone (14.4k connect) >>and pay my existing isp for dialup access... :( >> >>thanx, >>john >> >> ---- >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:56:14 -0800 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: RE: RE: Diesel vs Gas MB E model how hard would it be to mate this to my existing Aisin Warner 30-80LE Automatic in my '87??? How much? I've got a 2.5L TD in my '91 300d... 0 to 60 in 12 seconds, top speed 124mph 28-30mpg in town and just got almost 38mpg on I-5 coming back up from Oregon... I think a 2.5L would be ok in the XJ. ;) john Vincent Bentley wrote: >If anyone is interested in converting their XJ to diesel, I am willing to >source complete original equipment 2.5TD VM engines with 5-speed manual >transmissions and propshafts from the United Kingdom. These will either be >used parts straight from an insurance recycler or reconditioned from the >UK's top VM specialist. Diesel XJ's have been available in the UK since >1995. > >Please bear in mind that diesel XJ's had to have a 1" lift as standard >because the sump is deeper. You will need a minimum of 1" suspension lift >and a late model NP231/NV231 transfercase. I think this is 1995 onwards but >not sure. In the UK we've only had the one spline size on the 231. > >The offer is not as a business, but person to person. I've been trying to >locate a 1997+ Ford Explorer 8.8" axle with disc brakes and ABS for over a >year in the UK with little success. I will need a friend to spend some time >looking for a good axle in the USA for me in return. > >--- >Vincent Bentley >w: http://www.jeepclub.co.uk >t: +44(0)7900 437975 >e: vince-at-jeepclub.co.uk > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >Sent: 27 February 2004 06:49 >To: Greg Hancock >Cc: xj-list; diesel-benz list >Subject: xj: RE: Diesel vs Gas MB E model > > >On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Greg Hancock wrote: > > > >>-->John, >>-->I noticed your mention below of a turbo diesel Jeep XJ >>-->and wanted to ask you for more information on this interesting >>-->beast. I have a '96 XJ and would love to convert it to diesel when >>-->the engine croaks... what engine did you use and how difficult was >>-->the swap? Did you do it yourself, or did you hire it out? What do >>-->you get for fuel economy? >> >> > >It was factory... 85-87 2.1L All-aluminum Renault Turbo Diesel... it >produced 85 bhp and 115ft lbs of torque... it actually put out 2 more hp >then the carb'd version of the 2.5l! > >It got 26/32 with the 5speed. It did 0 to 60 in about 19 seconds or so... >was pretty useless as a tow vehicle. :) 1st gear was too tall to get >rolling with a load... I'd have to use low range to get rolling then pop >into into 2wd high while rolling forward. :) > >Parts were expensive and rare... unless of course you >had a french connection. ;) It was typical french bleeding edge design... >timing belt that had to be changed, alternator compliments of paris-rhone >that failed often. used a bosch injection pump and an air-garret turbo. >The 5spd tranny was a pathetic excuse for a gear box, I think it was french >as well. :) > >All in all I loved it and if it would have had an automatic >I would have kept it. But that clutch setup in the XJ's did >a number of my fifth lumbar and I had to part with it... :( > > > > >>-->I hope you don't mind the questions, but I've always wondered if >>-->such an engine swap was possible and, if so, how hard it would be. >> >> > >they actually make the Jeep Cherokees with Diesels all over >the world, except for here in the good ole U S of A... > >I suppose with have GM and the greenies to thank for it... > >I am considering using a Mercedes 3.0L Turbo Diesel into >an '87... but I'm not sure what will give out first... the >'87 4.0L with 238,600 miles or the chassis itself... both >are doing quite well. :) > >Jeep claims that in 2004 the Liberty will have a Turbo Diesel option... I've >yet to see it advertised though. :( > >Knowing how much pain and suffering, and time, is involved >in doing a conversion, I think I'd get over my aversion >to the toon-town looks and the non-solid axles of the KJ >to get one with a Diesel. :) > >BTW, I'm using a '96 4.0L out of an XJ in my '83 J10 stepside... it's been >in work for a long, long time now... :( > >ttyl, >john > > > >>-->Cheers, >>--> >>-->Greg Hancock >>-->Seattle >>--> >>-->---------------------------------------- >>--> >>-->Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:21:32 -0800 >>-->From: john >>-->Subject: Diesel vs Gas MB E model >>--> >>-->>I'm sure this must be a old topic, but perhaps one >>-->worth revisiting. I = >>-->>posted this to alt.auto.mercedes and thought it would >>-->be appropriate to = >>-->>get opinions from all you diesel owners.=20 >>-->> >>-->>I currently own a 98 C280, which my wife drives. I >>-->will be looking at >>-->>something larger in the MB line for myself. >>-->> >>-->>I've been considering a E type diesel Vs gas. The >>-->acceleration issue of = >>-->>the >>-->>diesel isn't a major problem for me, and the thought >>-->of 250,000 plus = >>-->>miles >>-->>on the engine sounds attractive. But reviews of added >>-->engine = >>-->>maintenance, annoying vibration at idle, and >>-->excessive noise at cruise = >>-->>discourage me (along with hanging out at truck stops >>-->:-) ). >>-->> >>-->>Any thoughts from the group? >>-->> >>-->>Scott Mack >>-->Scott, >>--> >>-->First thing, please do not email HTML versions to the >>-->list, they >>-->bounce and I have to fix it... :) I'm forwarding your >>-->note to the list. >>--> >>-->Second, EXCELLENT topic. >>--> >>-->Third, I've had 4 Mercedes, 3 Diesel, 1 gas. The gas >>-->rig didn't hold >>-->up as well, was exceedingly thirsty and costly to >>-->repair. Didn't have >>-->as much resale and isn't running right now because the owner broke >>-->the exhaust manifolds on the 4.5L V8 gas engine, $650 a >>-->side to replace!!! >>--> >>-->The Mercedes Diesels are not that noisy, especially in >>-->the cabin. I've >>-->had many Diesels, American and European. The Mercedes Diesels are >>-->the finest, easiest to find parts for and very easy to >>-->work on. >>--> >>-->As far as fuel, most Texaco, Shells and so on have >>-->Diesel, even in the new >>-->stores with the fast food outlets. I've also got a commercial card >>-->lock that I've used to fuel up with those truckers up and >>-->down the west coast. >>--> >>-->Never, ever in over 15 years of driving a Dieselmobile >>-->have I had problems >>-->finding fuel. >>--> >>-->When I was filmed by a promotional video group by Jeep >>-->this summer I tried >>-->to get the Diesel message to Chrysler that we want the >>-->Big Jeep (SJ's - the >>-->Grand Wagoneers) brought back with Diesels. :) It >>-->didn't make it into the >>-->video they showed at the Jeep Camp though... :) >>--> >>-->The latest issue of STAR (MB club of America Magazine) talks about a >>-->cabby back east using the E300 Turbo Diesel and loving it. >>--> IT's a beautiful >>-->car, wish I could afford a new benz, because it'd be a >>-->toss up between that >>-->and the ML series... I hope they do make the ML270TD >>-->available stateside. >>--> >>-->Diesel rules, gas stinks... :) >>--> >>-->(I had an 85 xj cherokee with the 2.1L Turbo Diesel, >>-->on 4x4 runs >>-->I used the handle "diesel john".) >>--> >>-->later, >>-->john >>--> >>-->- ---------------------------------------------- >>-->john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com >>--> >>--> Jeeps don't rust in Snohomish, WA, they mold... >>--> ------------ >>--> http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/saved.html >>--> Jesus - don't leave life without him... >>-->- ---------------------------------------------------- >>--> >>-->__________________________________ >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ john at http://wagoneers.com from Snohomish,WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... reminding you not to leave life w/o Jesus! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:39:56 -0500 From: Colucci B Subject: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick Greetings To The XJ World!! Here are a couple of queries to ponder. First where is the switch in the floor mounted AT assembly that tells the steering column solenoid that yes the Jeep is in park and it is ok to allow the key to be fully rotated to the lock position? WHen I put the truck in park, 8 out of 10 times I have to jiggles the shifter handle in the park position to get it to trigger the interlock solenoid. On another lesser note for the trim experts; seeing as the little waggy is the oldest XJ I have ever owned, my previous one was an 88, and yes I am finding differences; I'll fill you all in on wiring variations at a later time. Anyway on this 87 I can not swivel the skinny dash A/C vertical registers left , or right. THey all seem to be permanently fixed straight ahead. Is this normal for the older XJ's? I could swivel the ones in my 88. It is almost like they have been glued in place. If this is true, are they easy to replace? Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." 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