From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 2 05:52:21 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, March 2 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1792 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: speackers in hatch Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick xj: Re: Power antenna Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:24:22 -0600 From: Tom Moulder Subject: Re: xj: Re: speackers in hatch or thinner at least KLuebs-at-washgas.com wrote: >The speakers I used are actually cheap Pyle three-ways. Got 'em off E-bay. >The sub is also a cheap E-bay purchse, Legacy. I'm very happy with the way >it sounds though. I've got the speakers all driven by the biggest Jensen >amp that I could find, then through a three way crossover from Crutchfield. >About the weight, by the time you cut the hole for the speaker, there >really isn't very much of the particle board rectangle left, but you are >definately correct that it could be made lighter... > >--Kurt > tm/Houston/88NA/85XJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:04:57 -0700 From: "Jason" Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick I would love to see those pictures. My 87 is not lighting it's back up lights and has developed an occasional odd behavior at startup. Starts for me but not for my wife! Blessing or problem....hmm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kummel" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:59 AM Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick > Well, there is nothing in the collumn or in the > console that does what you are looking for. > To find the culprit, you will need to crawl under the > Jeep. On the passenger side, on the transmission, you > will see a shaft that is sticking out of what looks > like a pot-metal pie-shaped protrudance opposite where > the shift lever connects on the drivers. This has a > bundle of wires leading into the engine compartment > that perform all kinds of stuff. > The pie-shaped protrudance has a bolt on the top and a > nut around the shaft. You will need to loosen both. > The nut around the shaft is screwed on a slotted boss. > Scribe the position it is pointed at on the body of > the pie shaped protrudance so you can identify that > you've moved it. > the upper bolt hole is slotted, the pie-shaped thingy > will rotate on the shaft to the back and the front of > the Jeep. With the Jeep in Park, move it slightly and > tighten the upper bolt. Try to start the Jeep. Keep on > doing this until you get it right. Then you will need > to test that the reverse lights come on (yes, this > controls the reverse lights...and the neutral start as > well! Plus it sends information as to what gear you're > in as well! You may need to play with this thing for > quite a while to get it just right.. > If no amount of fiddling will work, you will need to > remove it, open it up, clean out the grease that is > packed inside, sand the metal contacts and refill with > new silicon grease. This happens quite frequently on > pre-90's jeeps. Seems that the grease hardens and no > longer prevents the contacts from fouling. This is not > an easy job because the cabling is routed in the most > inaccessible place in the engine compartment and > usually the shaft is so corroded, the pie-shaped thing > will no longer slide off...If you force it, it will > break. the backside is bakelite and it will > break...no...shatter! If it breaks and you need to > replace it, you will be spending $180 at your local > jeep place...and waiting for them to order it! the > part number is 83503172. > If you need, I've got some pictures I can post and > some tips and pointers from when I replaced mine!. > Ed > web/gadget guru > > --- Colucci B wrote: > > Greetings To The XJ World!! > > > > Here are a couple of queries to ponder. First where > > is the switch in > > the floor mounted AT assembly that tells the > > steering column solenoid > > that yes the Jeep is in park and it is ok to allow > > the key to be fully > > rotated to the lock position? WHen I put the truck > > in park, 8 out of 10 > > times I have to jiggles the shifter handle in the > > park position to get > > it to trigger the interlock solenoid. > > > ===== > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials > for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released > but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more > fraudulent claims. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick yup...it sounds like that the switch is your problem. I'll have the pictures posted later on this evening... Ed web/gadget guru - --- Jason wrote: > I would love to see those pictures. My 87 is not > lighting it's back up > lights and has developed an occasional odd behavior > at startup. > > Starts for me but not for my wife! > > Blessing or problem....hmm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Kummel" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:59 AM > Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick > > > > Well, there is nothing in the collumn or in the > > console that does what you are looking for. > > To find the culprit, you will need to crawl under > the > > Jeep. On the passenger side, on the transmission, > you > > will see a shaft that is sticking out of what > looks > > like a pot-metal pie-shaped protrudance opposite > where > > the shift lever connects on the drivers. This has > a > > bundle of wires leading into the engine > compartment > > that perform all kinds of stuff. > > The pie-shaped protrudance has a bolt on the top > and a > > nut around the shaft. You will need to loosen > both. > > The nut around the shaft is screwed on a slotted > boss. > > Scribe the position it is pointed at on the body > of > > the pie shaped protrudance so you can identify > that > > you've moved it. > > the upper bolt hole is slotted, the pie-shaped > thingy > > will rotate on the shaft to the back and the front > of > > the Jeep. With the Jeep in Park, move it slightly > and > > tighten the upper bolt. Try to start the Jeep. > Keep on > > doing this until you get it right. Then you will > need > > to test that the reverse lights come on (yes, this > > controls the reverse lights...and the neutral > start as > > well! Plus it sends information as to what gear > you're > > in as well! You may need to play with this thing > for > > quite a while to get it just right.. > > If no amount of fiddling will work, you will need > to > > remove it, open it up, clean out the grease that > is > > packed inside, sand the metal contacts and refill > with > > new silicon grease. This happens quite frequently > on > > pre-90's jeeps. Seems that the grease hardens and > no > > longer prevents the contacts from fouling. This is > not > > an easy job because the cabling is routed in the > most > > inaccessible place in the engine compartment and > > usually the shaft is so corroded, the pie-shaped > thing > > will no longer slide off...If you force it, it > will > > break. the backside is bakelite and it will > > break...no...shatter! If it breaks and you need to > > replace it, you will be spending $180 at your > local > > jeep place...and waiting for them to order it! the > > part number is 83503172. > > If you need, I've got some pictures I can post and > > some tips and pointers from when I replaced mine!. > > Ed > > web/gadget guru > > > > --- Colucci B wrote: > > > Greetings To The XJ World!! > > > > > > Here are a couple of queries to ponder. First > where > > > is the switch in > > > the floor mounted AT assembly that tells the > > > steering column solenoid > > > that yes the Jeep is in park and it is ok to > allow > > > the key to be fully > > > rotated to the lock position? WHen I put the > truck > > > in park, 8 out of 10 > > > times I have to jiggles the shifter handle in > the > > > park position to get > > > it to trigger the interlock solenoid. > > > > > > ===== > > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. > government officials > > for claiming to potential investors that his > company, RCA, would soon be > > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic > Ocean. The > > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so > utterly ridiculous > > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was > ultimately released > > but not before being admonished by the judge to > stop making any more > > fraudulent claims. > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ===== In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more fraudulent claims. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:37:52 +0000 From: xjdave-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick If you end up needing to clean your NSS, Jason West has done a great write up on his site. http://www.jeepin.com/features/nss/index.asp Hope that helps, you seem to have all the symptoms of NSS failure. Good luck! - -Dave > yup...it sounds like that the switch is your problem. > I'll have the pictures posted later on this evening... > Ed > web/gadget guru > > --- Jason wrote: > > I would love to see those pictures. My 87 is not > > lighting it's back up > > lights and has developed an occasional odd behavior > > at startup. > > > > Starts for me but not for my wife! > > > > Blessing or problem....hmm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Kummel" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:59 AM > > Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick > > > > > > > Well, there is nothing in the collumn or in the > > > console that does what you are looking for. > > > To find the culprit, you will need to crawl under > > the > > > Jeep. On the passenger side, on the transmission, > > you > > > will see a shaft that is sticking out of what > > looks > > > like a pot-metal pie-shaped protrudance opposite > > where > > > the shift lever connects on the drivers. This has > > a > > > bundle of wires leading into the engine > > compartment > > > that perform all kinds of stuff. > > > The pie-shaped protrudance has a bolt on the top > > and a > > > nut around the shaft. You will need to loosen > > both. > > > The nut around the shaft is screwed on a slotted > > boss. > > > Scribe the position it is pointed at on the body > > of > > > the pie shaped protrudance so you can identify > > that > > > you've moved it. > > > the upper bolt hole is slotted, the pie-shaped > > thingy > > > will rotate on the shaft to the back and the front > > of > > > the Jeep. With the Jeep in Park, move it slightly > > and > > > tighten the upper bolt. Try to start the Jeep. > > Keep on > > > doing this until you get it right. Then you will > > need > > > to test that the reverse lights come on (yes, this > > > controls the reverse lights...and the neutral > > start as > > > well! Plus it sends information as to what gear > > you're > > > in as well! You may need to play with this thing > > for > > > quite a while to get it just right.. > > > If no amount of fiddling will work, you will need > > to > > > remove it, open it up, clean out the grease that > > is > > > packed inside, sand the metal contacts and refill > > with > > > new silicon grease. This happens quite frequently > > on > > > pre-90's jeeps. Seems that the grease hardens and > > no > > > longer prevents the contacts from fouling. This is > > not > > > an easy job because the cabling is routed in the > > most > > > inaccessible place in the engine compartment and > > > usually the shaft is so corroded, the pie-shaped > > thing > > > will no longer slide off...If you force it, it > > will > > > break. the backside is bakelite and it will > > > break...no...shatter! If it breaks and you need to > > > replace it, you will be spending $180 at your > > local > > > jeep place...and waiting for them to order it! the > > > part number is 83503172. > > > If you need, I've got some pictures I can post and > > > some tips and pointers from when I replaced mine!. > > > Ed > > > web/gadget guru > > > > > > --- Colucci B wrote: > > > > Greetings To The XJ World!! > > > > > > > > Here are a couple of queries to ponder. First > > where > > > > is the switch in > > > > the floor mounted AT assembly that tells the > > > > steering column solenoid > > > > that yes the Jeep is in park and it is ok to > > allow > > > > the key to be fully > > > > rotated to the lock position? WHen I put the > > truck > > > > in park, 8 out of 10 > > > > times I have to jiggles the shifter handle in > > the > > > > park position to get > > > > it to trigger the interlock solenoid. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. > > government officials > > > for claiming to potential investors that his > > company, RCA, would soon be > > > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic > > Ocean. The > > > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so > > utterly ridiculous > > > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was > > ultimately released > > > but not before being admonished by the judge to > > stop making any more > > > fraudulent claims. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > ===== > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials > for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released > but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more > fraudulent claims. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: Power antenna On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Boney Varghese wrote: >-->John >--> >-->Do you know where the fuse for the power antenna is? I checked the fuse box >-->under the hood and there was no power antenna or power windows, etc! I recall a fuse being in the back of the radio, but that may have been a different vehicle... don't recall. your power windows are out too? john >--> >-->Strategic . Innovative . Technical >--> >-->Boney Varghese >-->Sales Manager Al Yousuf LLC >-->P.O.Box 25 >-->Dubai, U.A.E >-->incubus-at-emirates.net.ae tel: >-->mobile: +9714 339 0000 >-->+971 50 545 0436 >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 20:53 >-->To: Boney Varghese >-->Subject: RE: Cherokee >--> >-->On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, Boney Varghese wrote: >--> >-->>-->Found them John... >-->>--> >-->>-->thanks! >--> >-->ur welcome... >--> >-->now I need to find time to figure out how >-->much it'll cost you to ship you amsoil... >-->I've been a dealer since '83. >--> >-->john >--> >-->>--> >-->>-->Strategic . Innovative . Technical >-->>--> >-->>-->Boney Varghese >-->>-->Sales Manager Al Yousuf LLC >-->>-->P.O.Box 25 >-->>-->Dubai, U.A.E >-->>-->incubus-at-emirates.net.ae tel: >-->>-->mobile: +9714 339 0000 >-->>-->+971 50 545 0436 >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->>-->Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 00:16 >-->>-->To: Boney Varghese >-->>-->Cc: xj-list >-->>-->Subject: RE: Cherokee >-->>--> >-->>-->On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Boney Varghese wrote: >-->>--> >-->>-->>-->I wanted to get new speakers installed in the rrear... I cant seem >-->to >-->>-->>-->get the panel opened up! I man ged to get the 'christmas trees' >-->>-->>-->unhooked toward the Bottom but i cant figure out whats holding the >-->top >-->>-->>-->of the panel near the sky light in place >-->>--> >-->>-->there are a couple of screws somewhere, then the entire panel >-->>-->lifts up toward the window... :) >-->>--> >-->>-->john >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 23:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick Here are some pictures I took last year when I did this same job...You can use these pictures along with Jason's writeup. http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/index.htm It may help get a perspective of what you're trying to attempt. Ed web/gadget guru - --- xjdave-at-comcast.net wrote: > If you end up needing to clean your NSS, Jason West > has done a great write up on his site. > > http://www.jeepin.com/features/nss/index.asp > > Hope that helps, you seem to have all the symptoms > of NSS failure. > > Good luck! > > -Dave > > yup...it sounds like that the switch is your > problem. > > I'll have the pictures posted later on this > evening... > > Ed > > web/gadget guru > > > > --- Jason wrote: > > > I would love to see those pictures. My 87 is not > > > lighting it's back up > > > lights and has developed an occasional odd > behavior > > > at startup. > > > > > > Starts for me but not for my wife! > > > > > > Blessing or problem....hmm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ed Kummel" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 12:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: xj: What Makes These XJ's Tick > > > > > > > > > > Well, there is nothing in the collumn or in > the > > > > console that does what you are looking for. > > > > To find the culprit, you will need to crawl > under > > > the > > > > Jeep. On the passenger side, on the > transmission, > > > you > > > > will see a shaft that is sticking out of what > > > looks > > > > like a pot-metal pie-shaped protrudance > opposite > > > where > > > > the shift lever connects on the drivers. This > has > > > a > > > > bundle of wires leading into the engine > > > compartment > > > > that perform all kinds of stuff. > > > > The pie-shaped protrudance has a bolt on the > top > > > and a > > > > nut around the shaft. You will need to loosen > > > both. > > > > The nut around the shaft is screwed on a > slotted > > > boss. > > > > Scribe the position it is pointed at on the > body > > > of > > > > the pie shaped protrudance so you can identify > > > that > > > > you've moved it. > > > > the upper bolt hole is slotted, the pie-shaped > > > thingy > > > > will rotate on the shaft to the back and the > front > > > of > > > > the Jeep. With the Jeep in Park, move it > slightly > > > and > > > > tighten the upper bolt. Try to start the Jeep. > > > Keep on > > > > doing this until you get it right. Then you > will > > > need > > > > to test that the reverse lights come on (yes, > this > > > > controls the reverse lights...and the neutral > > > start as > > > > well! Plus it sends information as to what > gear > > > you're > > > > in as well! You may need to play with this > thing > > > for > > > > quite a while to get it just right.. > > > > If no amount of fiddling will work, you will > need > > > to > > > > remove it, open it up, clean out the grease > that > > > is > > > > packed inside, sand the metal contacts and > refill > > > with > > > > new silicon grease. This happens quite > frequently > > > on > > > > pre-90's jeeps. Seems that the grease hardens > and > > > no > > > > longer prevents the contacts from fouling. > This is > > > not > > > > an easy job because the cabling is routed in > the > > > most > > > > inaccessible place in the engine compartment > and > > > > usually the shaft is so corroded, the > pie-shaped > > > thing > > > > will no longer slide off...If you force it, it > > > will > > > > break. the backside is bakelite and it will > > > > break...no...shatter! If it breaks and you > need to > > > > replace it, you will be spending $180 at your > > > local > > > > jeep place...and waiting for them to order it! > the > > > > part number is 83503172. > > > > If you need, I've got some pictures I can post > and > > > > some tips and pointers from when I replaced > mine!. > > > > Ed > > > > web/gadget guru > > > > > > > > --- Colucci B > wrote: > > > > > Greetings To The XJ World!! > > > > > > > > > > Here are a couple of queries to ponder. > First > > > where > > > > > is the switch in > > > > > the floor mounted AT assembly that tells the > > > > > steering column solenoid > > > > > that yes the Jeep is in park and it is ok to > > > allow > > > > > the key to be fully > > > > > rotated to the lock position? WHen I put > the > > > truck > > > > > in park, 8 out of 10 > > > > > times I have to jiggles the shifter handle > in > > > the > > > > > park position to get > > > > > it to trigger the interlock solenoid. > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. > > > government officials > > > > for claiming to potential investors that his > > > company, RCA, would soon be > > > > able to transmit the human voice over the > Atlantic > > > Ocean. The > > > > prosecuting officials argued that his claim > was so > > > utterly ridiculous > > > > that he was surely ripping off investors. He > was > > > ultimately released > > > > but not before being admonished by the judge > to > > > stop making any more > > > > fraudulent claims. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > > > > ===== > > In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. > government officials > > for claiming to potential investors that his > company, RCA, would soon be > > able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic > Ocean. The > > prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so > utterly ridiculous > > that he was surely ripping off investors. He was > ultimately released > > but not before being admonished by the judge to > stop making any more > > fraudulent claims. > > > === message truncated === ===== In 1913, Lee De Forest was prosecuted by U.S. government officials for claiming to potential investors that his company, RCA, would soon be able to transmit the human voice over the Atlantic Ocean. The prosecuting officials argued that his claim was so utterly ridiculous that he was surely ripping off investors. He was ultimately released but not before being admonished by the judge to stop making any more fraudulent claims. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you^Rre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1792 *************************