From the-concourse-on-high Sat Jul 24 23:24:25 2004 and check to make sure the plugs still look good after a week or two... at your own risk. ;) - --- Boney Varghese wrote: > Hey Guys > > Platinum sparks, iridium sparks, silver sparks.... > how do you choose? > > This is the info that i've managed to collect after > surfing through many > sites > > Platinum sparks - used more for longevity rather > than performance > Silver used more for performance than life > Copper - very common I guess more for life > > And of course then there is platinum +4 and triple > platinum. > > > Champion says "It is important to remember that > there is no design that will > allow a spark plug to generate more voltage or > hotter spark because the > spark energy is generated in the coil. It is also > important to remember that > spark plugs do not produce heat" > > Nology says that the Due to the hotter spark that is > produced by using their > Silver spark plugs the plug wires should be changed > as well. > > How do you choose a good performance spark plug > upgrade for the Cherokee and > does anyone know how much of a difference does it > really when the sparks are > upgraded > > Later > > Bones > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:11:56 -0600 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: xj: Re: XJ Sparks I like and use the black Champion truck plugs in all my rigs. Aaron Aaron Storms Black Hawk, CO 303.582.0133 aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com http://community.webshots.com/user/aaronstorms - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boney Varghese" To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:37 AM Subject: xj: XJ Sparks > Hey Guys > > Platinum sparks, iridium sparks, silver sparks.... how do you choose? > > This is the info that i've managed to collect after surfing through many > sites > > Platinum sparks - used more for longevity rather than performance > Silver used more for performance than life > Copper - very common I guess more for life > > And of course then there is platinum +4 and triple platinum. > > > Champion says "It is important to remember that there is no design that will > allow a spark plug to generate more voltage or hotter spark because the > spark energy is generated in the coil. It is also important to remember that > spark plugs do not produce heat" > > Nology says that the Due to the hotter spark that is produced by using their > Silver spark plugs the plug wires should be changed as well. > > How do you choose a good performance spark plug upgrade for the Cherokee and > does anyone know how much of a difference does it really when the sparks are > upgraded > > Later > > Bones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:14:11 -0600 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: Re: xj: Howling Transfer Case So did you call my mechanic friend Jim yet (between Nederland and Black Hawk - 303.582.5608) to see what he'd charge to take a look at your existing t-case? May be nothing more than a stretched chain, and if so, you can replace it with a heavy-duty model and labor for less than the $400 and know that you have a good case. Aaron Aaron Storms Black Hawk, CO 303.582.0133 aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com http://community.webshots.com/user/aaronstorms - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Loe" To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: Re: xj: Howling Transfer Case > I did some checking and I found 2 junkyards that have > NP231 xfers in Denver. They want $400-$600 for a used > xfer case. What got my attention is the fact that both > yards require my old NP231 as a core. Makes me think > they are going to sell me the NP231 they have, take my > broken NP231 "core" and sell it to the next guy who > has $400. > > One could make some money this way-- sell a broken > xfer case for $400 and take a broken xfer "core", sell > the broken "core" get another one as core--- on and > on! > > -Steven Loe > > > > I agree with John - you could buy a replacement > > junkyard t-case in the > > greater Denver area for around $300 depending on > > whether it's an NP231 > > (2hi-4hi-4low) or an NP242 which has an extra notch > d used xfr case > > for > > > $150 to $500 in any yard... replacing it is > > something > > > you could do if you had the time... I changed > > mine > > > out in around an hour if I recall correctly. > > > > > > Which xfr case is it? > > > > > > where are you? > > > > > > john > > > > > > Steven Loe wrote: > > > > My '96 XJ drive train has been making a howling > > sound > > > > [sounds like it's coming from the left front]. > > > > > > > > I took it to the shop today, They tell me that > > the > > > > Trasfer Case is shot. They want $1,300.00 for a > > > > rebuilt tranfer case [installed]. > > > > > > > > Question: > > > > Is this a reasonable price for a rebuilt > > Transfer > > > > Case? > > > > > > > > Is it worth considering getting a used Transfer > > Case > > > > from a yard? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks ! > > > > -Steven Loe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:49:04 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: Re: XJ Sparks IMHO.... On FI engines with computer controlled ignition and TFI-type coil, as long as there's an electrode, gap and ground it'll fire just fine. I ran through a LOT of plugs in my FSJ, looking for the magic bullet and the thing ran the same whether it was the 2 dollar Champion or the 7 dollar Bosch 4-prong platinum. The only consideration I can see is putting in plugs that will last longer, although changeing plugs on a 4.0 is so bloody easy... When I got my 95 XJ, it ran a little rough, off and on. I took off the cap and the rotor was pitted to hell and had a 45 degree twist in it, so the spark was lucky to get there at all!!! - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Storms" To: Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: xj: Re: XJ Sparks > I like and use the black Champion truck plugs in all my rigs. Aaron > > Aaron Storms > Black Hawk, CO > 303.582.0133 > aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com > http://community.webshots.com/user/aaronstorms > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boney Varghese" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:37 AM > Subject: xj: XJ Sparks > > > > Hey Guys > > > > Platinum sparks, iridium sparks, silver sparks.... how do you choose? > > > > This is the info that i've managed to collect after surfing through many > > sites > > > > Platinum sparks - used more for longevity rather than performance > > Silver used more for performance than life > > Copper - very common I guess more for life > > > > And of course then there is platinum +4 and triple platinum. > > > > > > Champion says "It is important to remember that there is no design that > will > > allow a spark plug to generate more voltage or hotter spark because the > > spark energy is generated in the coil. It is also important to remember > that > > spark plugs do not produce heat" > > > > Nology says that the Due to the hotter spark that is produced by using > their > > Silver spark plugs the plug wires should be changed as well. > > > > How do you choose a good performance spark plug upgrade for the Cherokee > and > > does anyone know how much of a difference does it really when the sparks > are > > upgraded > > > > Later > > > > Bones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: XJ Sparks the only thing I'd recommend is the Jacobs wires... or really any high quality spark plug wires... (I do NOT recommend the Jacobs ignition/coil products though, sorry Admiral but my experience with them has been less then wonderful... but I LOVE their wires, excellent quality.) john On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Don Hansen wrote: >-->IMHO.... On FI engines with computer controlled ignition and TFI-type coil, >-->as long as there's an electrode, gap and ground it'll fire just fine. I ran >-->through a LOT of plugs in my FSJ, looking for the magic bullet and the thing >-->ran the same whether it was the 2 dollar Champion or the 7 dollar Bosch >-->4-prong platinum. >-->The only consideration I can see is putting in plugs that will last longer, >-->although changeing plugs on a 4.0 is so bloody easy... When I got my 95 XJ, >-->it ran a little rough, off and on. I took off the cap and the rotor was >-->pitted to hell and had a 45 degree twist in it, so the spark was lucky to >-->get there at all!!! >--> >-->-Don >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "Aaron Storms" >-->To: >-->Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:11 AM >-->Subject: xj: Re: XJ Sparks >--> >--> >-->> I like and use the black Champion truck plugs in all my rigs. Aaron >-->> >-->> Aaron Storms >-->> Black Hawk, CO >-->> 303.582.0133 >-->> aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com >-->> http://community.webshots.com/user/aaronstorms >-->> ----- Original Message ----- >-->> From: "Boney Varghese" >-->> To: >-->> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 1:37 AM >-->> Subject: xj: XJ Sparks >-->> >-->> >-->> > Hey Guys >-->> > >-->> > Platinum sparks, iridium sparks, silver sparks.... how do you choose? >-->> > >-->> > This is the info that i've managed to collect after surfing through many >-->> > sites >-->> > >-->> > Platinum sparks - used more for longevity rather than performance >-->> > Silver used more for performance than life >-->> > Copper - very common I guess more for life >-->> > >-->> > And of course then there is platinum +4 and triple platinum. >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > Champion says "It is important to remember that there is no design that >-->> will >-->> > allow a spark plug to generate more voltage or hotter spark because the >-->> > spark energy is generated in the coil. It is also important to remember >-->> that >-->> > spark plugs do not produce heat" >-->> > >-->> > Nology says that the Due to the hotter spark that is produced by using >-->> their >-->> > Silver spark plugs the plug wires should be changed as well. >-->> > >-->> > How do you choose a good performance spark plug upgrade for the Cherokee >-->> and >-->> > does anyone know how much of a difference does it really when the sparks >-->> are >-->> > upgraded >-->> > >-->> > Later >-->> > >-->> > Bones >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:41:57 -0500 From: "izzi Mike" Subject: xj: update 3" lift w/ 265/75/16 dunlop radial mud rovers on stock 16" wheels/spare well i finally got the 265's in.after being promised they would not fit,i ordered them and told discount tire i would pay restock if i was wrong.they fit! they will barely rub the control arms if i crank the steering to full stop,but i think i can tweak the stop bolts (seems i read something like that).i tried to find a few places to try and flex a little to check for rubbing on the flares or wheel wells and i did ok. question now is "what do i do with my spare"?it's too big for the factory location.i was gonna buy a roof rack but the details say DO NOT USE ROOF RACK FOR SPARE! i have a 2000 classic and that limits parts i think.? as far as a swing away. i use the rear hatch so much that i dont really want my spare there anyway.it is a daily driver work truck. ......that cant pass up a good ole mud hole.thanx,mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: update 3" lift w/ 265/75/16 dunlop radial mud rovers on stock 16" wheels/spare the spare on the roof throws the CG off a bit... and adds wind resistance... I'd look at something that mounts on the rear and swings away... or try to get it inside... maybe lay it on the floor in the back... you'd lose a lot of space but you could add a cage to put your cargo up higher... john On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, izzi Mike wrote: >-->well i finally got the 265's in.after being promised they would not fit,i >-->ordered them and told discount tire i would pay restock if i was >-->wrong.they fit! they will barely rub the control arms if i crank the >-->steering to full stop,but i think i can tweak the stop bolts (seems i >-->read something like that).i tried to find a few places to try and flex a >-->little to check for rubbing on the flares or wheel wells and i did ok. >-->question now is "what do i do with my spare"?it's too big for the factory >-->location.i was gonna buy a roof rack but the details say DO NOT USE ROOF >-->RACK FOR SPARE! >--> >-->i have a 2000 classic and that limits parts i think.? as far as a swing >-->away. i use the rear hatch so much that i dont really want my spare there >-->anyway.it is a daily driver work truck. ......that cant pass up a good >-->ole mud hole.thanx,mike >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--> >-->Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:43:44 -0700 From: john meister Subject: xj: wagoneers.com I just reworked the main page on wagoneers.com to make it easier to navigate... it was indeed a bit out of control. :) I placed links on the main page to find the various sections... car/rigs, tech, digests... http://wagoneers.com john ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1863 ************************* From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jul 24 23:22:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by virtual-cafe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6P6M8L9004312 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:22:09 -0700 Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 4.22) id 1Bocka-0003hz-Bp for xj-digest-outgoing-at-digest.net; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:44:48 +0000 From: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net (xj-digest) To: xj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: xj-digest V1 #1863 Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net Sender: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 06:44:48 +0000 xj-digest Sunday, July 25 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1863 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: XJ Sparks Re: xj: XJ Sparks xj: Re: XJ Sparks Re: xj: Howling Transfer Case xj: Re: Re: XJ Sparks Re: xj: Re: Re: XJ Sparks xj: update 3" lift w/ 265/75/16 dunlop radial mud rovers on stock 16" wheels/spare Re: xj: update 3" lift w/ 265/75/16 dunlop radial mud rovers on stock 16" wheels/spare xj: wagoneers.com XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:37:03 +0400 From: Boney Varghese Subject: xj: XJ Sparks Hey Guys Platinum sparks, iridium sparks, silver sparks.... how do you choose? This is the info that i've managed to collect after surfing through many sites Platinum sparks - used more for longevity rather than performance Silver used more for performance than life Copper - very common I guess more for life And of course then there is platinum +4 and triple platinum. Champion says "It is important to remember that there is no design that will allow a spark plug to generate more voltage or hotter spark because the spark energy is generated in the coil. It is also important to remember that spark plugs do not produce heat" Nology says that the Due to the hotter spark that is produced by using their Silver spark plugs the plug wires should be changed as well. How do you choose a good performance spark plug upgrade for the Cherokee and does anyone know how much of a difference does it really when the sparks are upgraded Later Bones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:04:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Johnson Subject: Re: xj: XJ Sparks Bones, Single tip platnum plugs work good. Basically, as long as the components of the ignition system are in good order, all changing the plugs are going to do is give off a better timed spark since the plugs are new and not fouled with anything. A hotter spark will not necessarily give you more performance. The idea of using a hotter spark (ie: more voltage) is to make sure the spark will actucally cause the fuel/air mixture to combust when it should. So, if you go with a whole stock spark plug set up over a expensive spark plug set up (dual tip platnum's, etc) their will not be a huge diff