From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 21 16:21:47 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, September 21 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1908 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood Re: xj: 6" xj lift Re: xj: Re: Briarwood Re: xj: Re: Briarwood Re: xj: 6" xj lift Re: xj: Re: Briarwood Re: xj: Re: Briarwood xj: question on cams 4.2/4.0 xj: Re: question on cams 4.2/4.0 xj: Re: was fsj: Vince moving soon - now tire chains in passes xj: For Sale (not mine) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:44:05 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood A: Next time I see it, I'll get a pic (hopefully I won't break my camera!) It's at Southcenter mall most of the time I see it. From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood the Grand Wagoneer was NOT a Briarwood, it was a "Grand Wagoneer" The Briarwood name took the place of "Wagoneer". You're confusing wood trim with Briarwood. I could be wrong... my documentation only goes to '93 though... john Jim Blair wrote: > A: The ZJ "Grand Wagoneer" Briarwood was in '93/'94 only AFAIK. I see a > green (YEEECH!) one once a month or so around here. > > > From: john meister > Subject: xj: Re: Briarwood > > Stef, > > It looks like the Cherokee Briarwood was only offered in 1991 and 1992. > It replaced the little Wagoneer. The book I have only goes to '93 so > it may have been offered again later. > > john meister > > Stef wrote: > >>John, >>You know much from FSJ's i read on your site that you write a book, tell >>me be there >>ever a Wagoneer named Briarwood ? >> >> >>Regards >>Stef Sliedrecht >>+31 316 332278 >>http://www.fsjworld.com/nightrider >>http://www.WAGONEERS.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:45:41 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: 6" xj lift A: You get more death wobble from an improperly raised front (like my previous Comanche that I lifted hours before driving to Ouray. Even putting in the new tracbar didn't stop the wobble. It required an alignment to stop it) From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: 6" xj lift I thought the death wobble was the track bar... the vibration from wrong angles on the driveline are not frightening, just annoying. ;) john Jim Blair wrote: > A: Get a longer YJ (Wrangler) yoke to keep it from coming out the back > (front will still vibrate like crazy, especially at speed. It's called > DEATH > WOBBLE!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:00:30 -0500 From: Tom Moulder Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood Jim Blair wrote: >A: Next time I see it, I'll get a pic (hopefully I won't break my camera!) >It's at Southcenter mall most of the time I see it. > > >From: john meister >Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood > >the Grand Wagoneer was NOT a Briarwood, it was a "Grand Wagoneer" > >The Briarwood name took the place of "Wagoneer". You're confusing >wood trim with Briarwood. I could be wrong... my documentation only >goes to '93 though... > >john > >Jim Blair wrote: > > >>A: The ZJ "Grand Wagoneer" Briarwood was in '93/'94 only AFAIK. I see a >>green (YEEECH!) one once a month or so around here. >> >> >>From: john meister >>Subject: xj: Re: Briarwood >> >>Stef, >> >>It looks like the Cherokee Briarwood was only offered in 1991 and 1992. >>It replaced the little Wagoneer. The book I have only goes to '93 so >>it may have been offered again later. >> >>john meister >> >>Stef wrote: >> >> >> >>>John, >>>You know much from FSJ's i read on your site that you write a book, tell >>>me be there >>>ever a Wagoneer named Briarwood ? >>> >>> >>>Regards >>>Stef Sliedrecht >>>+31 316 332278 >>>http://www.fsjworld.com/nightrider >>>http://www.WAGONEERS.com >>> >>> > > > - -- We all agree that your theory is crazy; but is it crazy enough? tm/Houston It's not about the destination, it's about the journey... 88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle 85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Briarwood.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:08:58 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood ok, that's an XJ, Briarwood. The wood trimmed ZJ's are referred to as Grand Wagoneers, not Briarwoods. john Tom Moulder wrote: > > > Jim Blair wrote: > >>A: Next time I see it, I'll get a pic (hopefully I won't break my camera!) >>It's at Southcenter mall most of the time I see it. >> >> >>From: john meister >>Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood >> >>the Grand Wagoneer was NOT a Briarwood, it was a "Grand Wagoneer" >> >>The Briarwood name took the place of "Wagoneer". You're confusing >>wood trim with Briarwood. I could be wrong... my documentation only >>goes to '93 though... >> >>john >> >>Jim Blair wrote: >> >> >>>A: The ZJ "Grand Wagoneer" Briarwood was in '93/'94 only AFAIK. I see a >>>green (YEEECH!) one once a month or so around here. >>> >>> >>>From: john meister >>>Subject: xj: Re: Briarwood >>> >>>Stef, >>> >>>It looks like the Cherokee Briarwood was only offered in 1991 and 1992. >>>It replaced the little Wagoneer. The book I have only goes to '93 so >>>it may have been offered again later. >>> >>>john meister >>> >>>Stef wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>John, >>>>You know much from FSJ's i read on your site that you write a book, tell >>>>me be there >>>>ever a Wagoneer named Briarwood ? >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Stef Sliedrecht >>>>+31 316 332278 >>>>http://www.fsjworld.com/nightrider >>>>http://www.WAGONEERS.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > -- > We all agree that your theory is crazy; but is it crazy enough? > > > tm/Houston > It's not about the destination, it's about the journey... > 88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle > 85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:09:57 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: 6" xj lift that's not the "normal" death wobble... I think the wobble you're referring to is just one each loose nut behind the wheel... ;) john Jim Blair wrote: > A: You get more death wobble from an improperly raised front (like my > previous Comanche that I lifted hours before driving to Ouray. Even putting > in the new tracbar didn't stop the wobble. It required an alignment to stop > it) > > > From: john meister > Subject: Re: xj: 6" xj lift > > I thought the death wobble was the track bar... > > the vibration from wrong angles on the driveline are not frightening, just > annoying. ;) > > john > > Jim Blair wrote: > >>A: Get a longer YJ (Wrangler) yoke to keep it from coming out the back >>(front will still vibrate like crazy, especially at speed. It's called >>DEATH >>WOBBLE!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:50:20 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood A: It says "Briarwood" on the woodgrain sides, and it's definitely a ZJ (has a 5.2L and Grand Wagoneer emblems on the liftgate) I guess you'll see when I get a pic of it! ok, that's an XJ, Briarwood. The wood trimmed ZJ's are referred to as Grand Wagoneers, not Briarwoods. john Tom Moulder wrote: > > > Jim Blair wrote: > >>A: Next time I see it, I'll get a pic (hopefully I won't break my camera!) >>It's at Southcenter mall most of the time I see it. >> >> >>From: john meister >>Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood >> >>the Grand Wagoneer was NOT a Briarwood, it was a "Grand Wagoneer" >> >>The Briarwood name took the place of "Wagoneer". You're confusing >>wood trim with Briarwood. I could be wrong... my documentation only >>goes to '93 though... >> >>john >> >>Jim Blair wrote: >> >> >>>A: The ZJ "Grand Wagoneer" Briarwood was in '93/'94 only AFAIK. I see a >>>green (YEEECH!) one once a month or so around here. >>> >>> >>>From: john meister >>>Subject: xj: Re: Briarwood >>> >>>Stef, >>> >>>It looks like the Cherokee Briarwood was only offered in 1991 and 1992. >>>It replaced the little Wagoneer. The book I have only goes to '93 so >>>it may have been offered again later. >>> >>>john meister >>> >>>Stef wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>John, >>>>You know much from FSJ's i read on your site that you write a book, tell >>>>me be there >>>>ever a Wagoneer named Briarwood ? >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Stef Sliedrecht >>>>+31 316 332278 >>>>http://www.fsjworld.com/nightrider >>>>http://www.WAGONEERS.com >>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > -- > We all agree that your theory is crazy; but is it crazy enough? > > > tm/Houston > It's not about the destination, it's about the journey... > 88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle > 85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood ok, a picture is worth a thousand words... ;) john On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Jim Blair wrote: >-->A: It says "Briarwood" on the woodgrain sides, and it's definitely a ZJ (has >-->a 5.2L and Grand Wagoneer emblems on the liftgate) I guess you'll see when I >-->get a pic of it! >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->ok, that's an XJ, Briarwood. >--> >-->The wood trimmed ZJ's are referred to as Grand Wagoneers, not Briarwoods. >--> >-->john >--> >-->Tom Moulder wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> Jim Blair wrote: >-->> >-->>>A: Next time I see it, I'll get a pic (hopefully I won't break my camera!) >-->>>It's at Southcenter mall most of the time I see it. >-->>> >-->>> >-->>>From: john meister >-->>>Subject: Re: xj: Re: Briarwood >-->>> >-->>>the Grand Wagoneer was NOT a Briarwood, it was a "Grand Wagoneer" >-->>> >-->>>The Briarwood name took the place of "Wagoneer". You're confusing >-->>>wood trim with Briarwood. I could be wrong... my documentation only >-->>>goes to '93 though... >-->>> >-->>>john >-->>> >-->>>Jim Blair wrote: >-->>> >-->>> >-->>>>A: The ZJ "Grand Wagoneer" Briarwood was in '93/'94 only AFAIK. I see a >-->>>>green (YEEECH!) one once a month or so around here. >-->>>> >-->>>> >-->>>>From: john meister >-->>>>Subject: xj: Re: Briarwood >-->>>> >-->>>>Stef, >-->>>> >-->>>>It looks like the Cherokee Briarwood was only offered in 1991 and 1992. >-->>>>It replaced the little Wagoneer. The book I have only goes to '93 so >-->>>>it may have been offered again later. >-->>>> >-->>>>john meister >-->>>> >-->>>>Stef wrote: >-->>>> >-->>>> >-->>>> >-->>>>>John, >-->>>>>You know much from FSJ's i read on your site that you write a book, tell >-->>>>>me be there >-->>>>>ever a Wagoneer named Briarwood ? >-->>>>> >-->>>>> >-->>>>>Regards >-->>>>>Stef Sliedrecht >-->>>>>+31 316 332278 >-->>>>>http://www.fsjworld.com/nightrider >-->>>>>http://www.WAGONEERS.com >-->>>>> >-->>>>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->> >-->> -- >-->> We all agree that your theory is crazy; but is it crazy enough? >-->> >-->> >-->> tm/Houston >-->> It's not about the destination, it's about the journey... >-->> 88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle >-->> 85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:44:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: question on cams 4.2/4.0 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Starc, Dan" Is there some sort of "spring" at the end of the cam that needs to be used in either motor? Dan - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:38 AM To: Starc, Dan Subject: Re: A good question for you On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Starc, Dan wrote: >-->Will the cam of a 242 fit a 258? >-->Dan I believe it will. I'd check with the stroker lists though to be certain. Until you get them side by side and compare bearings and oiling features it's an educated guess. The heads interchange, but there are minor differences. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:45:46 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: Re: question on cams 4.2/4.0 A: The 4.0L has a factory cam button that is just a bolt on the front with a ball inserted to spin on, but the timing cover also has a matching plate to keep the cam from sliding forward (a very common occurrence in all AMC motors unfortunately) The 4.0L cam doesn't have a lobe for the fuel pump though. ('87 *MIGHT* have the lobe still) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Starc, Dan" Is there some sort of "spring" at the end of the cam that needs to be used in either motor? Dan - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:38 AM To: Starc, Dan Subject: Re: A good question for you On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Starc, Dan wrote: >-->Will the cam of a 242 fit a 258? >-->Dan I believe it will. I'd check with the stroker lists though to be certain. Until you get them side by side and compare bearings and oiling features it's an educated guess. The heads interchange, but there are minor differences. john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: was fsj: Vince moving soon - now tire chains in passes I wonder how things look up in Southern Oregon on I-5. Mark plans on driving the XJ down to Tucson Oct 3... do 4x4's with m/s rated tires need chains in OR&CA? john On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 07:57:14PM -0700, john meister wrote: >-->> you weren't driving when it went into effect... you're three >-->> years younger than me. ;) rofl... same age as my "kid" sister... >--> >-->I think I'm staying way out of this one. >--> >-->About weather though, I was in Reno for the air races this past weekend, >-->and there was snow on donner summit on the way home. Good thing I made it >-->through before the chain restrictions went into effect - I didn't have chains >-->handy for the trailer (truck is a 4x4). Who would have thought I would need >-->them in SEPTEMBER in CALIFORNIA? :) >--> >-->K >--> >-->-- >-->Kevin Pekarek >-->Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >-->Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeremiah Westpfahl Subject: xj: For Sale (not mine) Hi Folks A good friend of mine has put his XJ up for sale after he & his wife both had to undergo back surgery. Details: 2000 Cherokee Classic Command Track 4x4 Pwr Windows/Locks/Driver Seat/Mirrors Tilt Steering Fog Lamps AM/FM/CD/Cassette 4.0/auto Darker Blue color 71,xxx miles Located in Harrisonville, MO. & he can be reached via email for pics & additional info at patandjaime(-at-nospam)earthlink.net. Thanks Miah __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1908 *************************