From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 20 21:09:51 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, October 21 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1934 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Pitman arm Re: xj: Pitman arm Re: xj: Pitman arm xj: Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin xj: Re: Pitman arm xj: fuel costs here there and elsewhere... Re: xj: Pitman arm XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Pitman arm I'd say you'd need at least 2" of drop, maybe even 3". You can get away with about 4" of lift before you need to start doing things with drop pitman arms typically... did you get an adjustable track bar? john On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >-->Does a drop pitman arm really make a difference? I have been meaning to >-->purchase one, but I dont know which one to get. I have a little over 6" of >-->lift in the front of my '87 xj. Rocky Road Outfitters has one that they say >-->is about a 1" drop. Will that be enough? I have the stock Y-Link steering. >-->I have bumpsteer from hell with my 33x14.50s. I wish companies would state >-->how much of a drop their pitman arm really is. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:36:27 -0400 From: Jesse Barbieri Subject: Re: xj: Pitman arm yes, I have the adjustable track bar. I went with the rough country track bar. I still need control arm drop brackets, and before those I hope to get a pair of those adjustable lower control arms with the bend in them. Right now, my front end is about 1/2" away from being at full droop. Do you know where I could get control arm drop brackets for a decent price? I think the lowest I found the RE drop brackets and supports was around $200.00 By the way, I received those FSJ stickers today. Thank you. Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: xj: Pitman arm > I'd say you'd need at least 2" of drop, maybe even 3". > > You can get away with about 4" of lift before you need > to start doing things with drop pitman arms typically... > > did you get an adjustable track bar? > > john > > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: > > >-->Does a drop pitman arm really make a difference? I have been meaning to > >-->purchase one, but I dont know which one to get. I have a little over 6" of > >-->lift in the front of my '87 xj. Rocky Road Outfitters has one that they say > >-->is about a 1" drop. Will that be enough? I have the stock Y-Link steering. > >-->I have bumpsteer from hell with my 33x14.50s. I wish companies would state > >-->how much of a drop their pitman arm really is. > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Pitman arm On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >-->yes, I have the adjustable track bar. I went with the rough country track >-->bar. I still need control arm drop brackets, and before those I hope to get >-->a pair of those adjustable lower control arms with the bend in them. Right >-->now, my front end is about 1/2" away from being at full droop. Do you know >-->where I could get control arm drop brackets for a decent price? I think the >-->lowest I found the RE drop brackets and supports was around $200.00 no, I haven't done any extreme stuff... I went to Central 4wd here to get my 3" lift... el cheapo version... :) worked nicely though. I think there's a few guys on the list that have gone that route and know the drill... >-->By the way, I received those FSJ stickers today. Thank you. cool. thanx for your support as well! john >--> >-->Jesse. >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: >-->Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:21 PM >-->Subject: Re: xj: Pitman arm >--> >--> >-->> I'd say you'd need at least 2" of drop, maybe even 3". >-->> >-->> You can get away with about 4" of lift before you need >-->> to start doing things with drop pitman arms typically... >-->> >-->> did you get an adjustable track bar? >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Does a drop pitman arm really make a difference? I have been meaning >-->to >-->> >-->purchase one, but I dont know which one to get. I have a little over >-->6" of >-->> >-->lift in the front of my '87 xj. Rocky Road Outfitters has one that >-->they say >-->> >-->is about a 1" drop. Will that be enough? I have the stock Y-Link >-->steering. >-->> >-->I have bumpsteer from hell with my 33x14.50s. I wish companies would >-->state >-->> >-->how much of a drop their pitman arm really is. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin ouch. 3.40 for bioDiesel... a friend sent me an email with the price of fuel in Sweden... I think gas was around $5.30/gal and Diesel around 4.60 or something like that... the email is on my other computer... speaking (OT) of computers... I finally got my wireless ethernet bridge setup working. moved my wifes Linux/Winxp box up to my son's old room, installed a TV tuner card as well... works with both linux and windows even.. way cool, and cheaper than another tv for use with the treadmill... The next step with my computer network is to setup my file server as a print server, get this little laptop in the kitchen to work wireless in Linux (it's a sony viao... got it working with linux suse 9.1!!!, but not on wireless yet, but hey, 9.2 is soon to come out)... my fujitsu laptop is almost always in suse 9.1... still need to get the palm/cell to sync with linux... did get the digital camera to connect to it... so... the migration FROM windows is almost complete... 1) sony vaio wireless in linux 2) fujitsu to sync palm in linux 3) get the infrared remote control for the tv tuner to work in linux 4) setup the linux print server. the list has shrunk considerably... soon no more worries about viruses, worms and microsoft critical warnings... linux just keeps getting better and better... now, if Diesel prices would only drop back down a bit then life would be even better... :) Oh, back on topic for a second... I'm a little concerned about running wvo or biodiesel in my '91 because of the high pressure injection system. The fuel door says NO additives... I ran some injector cleaner through and a seal on the throttle shaft started leaking... bad... I didn't put any additive in it since about July, and the leak has stopped, mileage is still good... no more puddles of Diesel under the car... so if you've got the newer Diesels you might be careful about experimenting... get a 123 or 126 to play with, parts are cheaper and it should work quite well like that. later, john On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Sam Williams wrote: >-->Today I found a Biodiesel distributor in Austin, Texas. I'm excited. Have >-->never been interested in mucking around, cooking lye mixtures in my back >-->yard to produce it myself. Have been filtering WVO when I have the time and >-->energy but that, too, is messy--if less dangerous. Am very pleased with the >-->biodiesel, if not ecstatic about the price ($3.40/gal). Also wish they were >-->not on opposite side of town from me (Onion Creek--I'm north). More than an >-->hour's drive just to tank up is a bit of a disincentive. >--> >-->When 'premium' petro-diesel went over $2/gal, I started buying the cheap >-->(not even!) stuff. My 300D started pinging. Went back to premium. It kept >-->pinging. Began to worry that my timing chain had stretched so much, IP was >-->out of time or maybe whole engine was a goner. Today, after adding enough >-->biodiesel to make 20-30% mix, my engine began to purr again. Non-diesel >-->fans might not consider the sounds my car makes a 'purr' but it was music to >-->my ears. I guess biodiesel has higher cetane than cheap petro-diesel. I >-->also guess that 'premium' petro-diesel isn't very 'premium' these days, >-->despite costing as much as it does. The price is closing on biodiesel fast. >--> >-->If interested, check http://www.austinbiofuels.com/. >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Sam >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:07:30 -0600 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: xj: Re: Pitman arm Jessie, I'm running the gold Daystar or Skyjacker 4" drop pitman - can't remember which and my olive-drab rig's at around 8" or so I think with the 36's. Aaron Aaron Storms, Publisher Gilpin County News PO Box 93 Black Hawk, CO 80422 303.582.0133 aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Barbieri" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: xj: Pitman arm > Does a drop pitman arm really make a difference? I have been meaning to > purchase one, but I dont know which one to get. I have a little over 6" > of > lift in the front of my '87 xj. Rocky Road Outfitters has one that they > say > is about a 1" drop. Will that be enough? I have the stock Y-Link > steering. > I have bumpsteer from hell with my 33x14.50s. I wish companies would > state > how much of a drop their pitman arm really is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: fuel costs here there and elsewhere... On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->Well... enjoy while you can... check out the prices in my locality... >-->http://www.irishfuelprices.com/motorfuelprices.php?county=galway >-->Prices are Euro cents/litre >-->Steve here's a link to a website that has some pricing across a number of locations: http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/index.html DIESEL nationwide: http://www.flyingj.com/fuel/diesel_CF.cfm?state=ALL (note that Washington State is the highest... the democrats have taxed the daylights out of our fuel... kind of revenge for us voting in lower car tabs...) john >-->> Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin >-->> ouch. 3.40 for bioDiesel... a friend sent me an email with the price of fuel in Sweden... I think gas was around $5.30/gal and Diesel around 4.60 or ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:04:33 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Pitman arm A: They usually say 3" drop in the ads I've seen. From: Jesse Barbieri Subject: xj: Pitman arm Does a drop pitman arm really make a difference? I have been meaning to purchase one, but I dont know which one to get. I have a little over 6" of lift in the front of my '87 xj. Rocky Road Outfitters has one that they say is about a 1" drop. Will that be enough? I have the stock Y-Link steering. I have bumpsteer from hell with my 33x14.50s. I wish companies would state how much of a drop their pitman arm really is. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1934 *************************