From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Oct 30 12:56:42 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, October 30 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1943 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Mileage, lockout xj: '89 wrangler project Re: xj: Over the hill xj: RE: Mileage, lockout Re: xj: Shocking Revelations Re: xj: '89 wrangler project Re: xj: Mileage, lockout Re: xj: Mileage, lockout Re: xj: Mileage, lockout Re: xj: OT: 89 Jeep Wrangler YJ - PROJECT - $1975 and/or WTB 2.5 Engine Re: xj: Mileage, lockout XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:37:01 -0400 From: Marc Subject: xj: Mileage, lockout Just came back from a day trip where I drove 275 miles. My '89 XJ Laredo got just over 20 miles per gallon. Is this good for the 4.0L? I have about 156,500 miles on it. Also, my Park/Neutral starter lockout is acting up. Easy to replace or override? Thanks, Marc Z in NC '89 XJ Laredo, 4.0L '83 300TD, 207k '83 300D Turbo, 323k ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:47:24 -0400 From: KLuebs-at-washgas.com Subject: xj: '89 wrangler project I know of 2 2.5L engines that about to be available in the Northern Va area. One is out of a '93, runs well but has lots of miles and the other is out of a '97. The '97 one is already out, but he may need it around for reference for a few weeks. The TJ is getting a '97 Vortech 350 with a 4L60E tranny....sweet.. - --Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:49:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Over the hill My '89 Wagoneer LTD had 290,000 miles on the engine before I replaced it with a Jasper (serious blow-by at the PCV port...my K&N was black with oil) This is very important... if you take your Jeep to a oil change place, then they probably aren't greasing all the fittings. Most places will only grease the fittings on the front suspension. They don't grease the fittings on the drive-shafts. I had this problem and my front driveshaft u-joint froze up...My mechanic was able to piece it back together with other parts (couldn't wait for an ordered part from Chrysler) but now, I make sure that the guy in the pit at my local oil change place knows all the grease fittings...including the ones on my rear shackles (2" lift) and the fittings I installed on the front swaybar bushings. It's a little frustrating though because there is a distinct language barrier, but they may let you down into the pit and you can point out the fittings to them. Ed web/gadget guru - --- Boney Varghese wrote: > Hey guys > > > > My Xjs done over 161,000 miles. and still goin > strong. > > > > Although with a great aged XJ come great > responsibility. and I wanted to > know now that the service manual has nothing left to > say to me. > > > > What are the things I need to keep an eye out for > and change? > > > > What are the joints that need to be greased > frequently ? > > > > Bones > > '94 Jeep XJ Sport > ===== "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:52:36 -0500 From: "Okiebinder" Subject: xj: RE: Mileage, lockout Not bad mpg. I get right around 20 with my 87XJ 4.0L. w/ 150,000. Sorry I dint know about the Park Neutral switch on these..... have not had to do that one yet. David - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Marc Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 3:37 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Mileage, lockout Just came back from a day trip where I drove 275 miles. My '89 XJ Laredo got just over 20 miles per gallon. Is this good for the 4.0L? I have about 156,500 miles on it. Also, my Park/Neutral starter lockout is acting up. Easy to replace or override? Thanks, Marc Z in NC '89 XJ Laredo, 4.0L '83 300TD, 207k '83 300D Turbo, 323k ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Shocking Revelations I have to agree with the stiffness on the rs5000. For the price, I was expecting a better ride. Instead, I went with Rusty's. After I installed his Budget boost, (just wanted to put in bigger tires) I used his Performance Shock for $30/ea. http://rustysoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RX000&Category_Code= What's nice is you can order them by the ammount of lift you have. If I had to order shocks again, I would probably seriously look at the Edelbrock IAS...I have heard nothing but great things on those shocks... Ed web/gadget guru - --- john wrote: > I've found that the rs5000 shocks are fine, but a > little bit stiff for > the light xj. they work great on full size jeeps. > you'll be happy with > the 5000s most likely. > > how much lift? with 2" you can use the stock size. > > john > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Boney Varghese wrote: > > >-->Hey guys > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->I'm considering upgrading my shocks with > Ranchos. The following models are > >-->locally available > >--> > >-->* Rancho > > R > >-->RS9000XT Nine-position Adjustable Shock Absorber > with Rancho > >--> R > RS99700 Dual-action Remote Control > >-->System > >--> > >-->* Rancho > > R RSXT > >-->Shock Absorber > >--> > >-->* Rancho > > R > >-->RS5000T High-Performance Shock > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->My mechanic tells me that the RS5000 are the > best hassle-free shocks in the > >-->market. Has anyone used either of the two other > shocks and if so would you > >-->recommend them or are they just expensive toys > offering little performance > >-->value over the RS5000s. > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->If I was to lift the vehicle after installation > of the shocks.would I have > >-->to replace them? > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->. > >--> > >-->Cheers > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->Boney Varghese > >--> > >-->Ph: +971 4 335 2419 > >--> > >-->Fx: +971 4 335 2419 > >--> > >-->Mob: +971 50 545 0436 > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ===== "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:38:26 -0700 From: HC Carter Subject: Re: xj: '89 wrangler project Hey - I just sold my YJ - I will pass this along to the new owner - thanks - Howard = = = on 10/29/04 1:47 PM, KLuebs-at-washgas.com at KLuebs-at-washgas.com wrote: > I know of 2 2.5L engines that about to be available in the Northern Va > area. One is out of a '93, runs well but has lots of miles and the other > is out of a '97. The '97 one is already out, but he may need it around for > reference for a few weeks. The TJ is getting a '97 Vortech 350 with a > 4L60E tranny....sweet.. > > --Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Mileage, lockout 20mpg is great! I get about 13-15 combined highway/city...I can get about 18 straight highway though... Unfortunatly, the neutral lockout isn't so easy... On the right side (passenger side) of the transmission, there is a metal componant that looks like this: http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0002.htm In this picture, you can barely see the upper bolt. Chock the wheels and get a friend. Put the vehicle in reverse and loosen that top bolt. The hole underneath it is slotted to allow some play. Loosen that big brass bolt a little as well. Have a friend look at the back of the Jeep and tell you when the reverse lights come on while you move the component through the entire area allowed by the slot. Once the reverse lights come on, tighten everything and it should work. If not, then you will need more work. You can either remove this component, open it up and clean it (the grease inside gets hard and the metal springs no longer have enough pressure to push the contacts against the correct pads inside. http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0008.htm A little kerosene and silicone grease will clean it up good.) Or you can replace it. Last I checked, it cost me $180 at the dealership to get a new one...and it took a week to order it! http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0006.htm Be careful in removing it though...the metal is nothing more than pot metal and shatters easily! The metal shaft it sits on may have a ton of grease and rust build-up which would prevent the device from coming off of the shaft. If you pry too hard, you will shatter the metal casing. That's what happened to me! Use a sharp gasket scraper and make sure that the shaft is absolutly clean and free of burrs, then remove both the upper bolt and the nut. With a little persuasion, it should slide off of the shaft. BTW, the cable is snaked all the way up into the engine compartment and is connected to another harness with 2 or 3 wireties...and of course, they are inaccessible to anyone with hands...it was a royal pain to get to the wireties and I almost ripped out the entire harness just to get to the ties in order to cut them... One good thing though...if you want to create a lockout theft switch that will prevent the Jeep from starting, this is the harness that you would need to do that! While waiting for my new piece to come from the dealership, I shorted two of the wires together so the jeep would start...I can't remember which ones I used, but it was simple to find them. Ed web/gadget guru - --- Marc wrote: > Just came back from a day trip where I drove 275 > miles. My '89 XJ > Laredo got just over 20 miles per gallon. Is this > good for the 4.0L? > I have about 156,500 miles on it. > > Also, my Park/Neutral starter lockout is acting up. > Easy to replace > or override? > > Thanks, > Marc Z in NC > > '89 XJ Laredo, 4.0L > '83 300TD, 207k > '83 300D Turbo, 323k > ===== "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Mileage, lockout sounds good... john On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Marc wrote: >-->Just came back from a day trip where I drove 275 miles. My '89 XJ >-->Laredo got just over 20 miles per gallon. Is this good for the 4.0L? >-->I have about 156,500 miles on it. >--> >-->Also, my Park/Neutral starter lockout is acting up. Easy to replace >-->or override? >--> >-->Thanks, >-->Marc Z in NC >--> >-->'89 XJ Laredo, 4.0L >-->'83 300TD, 207k >-->'83 300D Turbo, 323k >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:08:23 -0400 From: Marc Subject: Re: xj: Mileage, lockout Ed, thanks for the excellent and detailed explanation. It has been working ok this week but the problem can return at any time. On the mileage, I do have a K&N air filter and flowmaster exhaust. Speed ranged from 65 - 80 mph. Marc Z in NC Ed Kummel wrote: 20mpg is great! I get about 13-15 combined highway/city...I can get about 18 straight highway though... Unfortunatly, the neutral lockout isn't so easy... On the right side (passenger side) of the transmission, there is a metal componant that looks like this: http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0002.htm In this picture, you can barely see the upper bolt. Chock the wheels and get a friend. Put the vehicle in reverse and loosen that top bolt. The hole underneath it is slotted to allow some play. Loosen that big brass bolt a little as well. Have a friend look at the back of the Jeep and tell you when the reverse lights come on while you move the component through the entire area allowed by the slot. Once the reverse lights come on, tighten everything and it should work. If not, then you will need more work. You can either remove this component, open it up and clean it (the grease inside gets hard and the metal springs no longer have enough pressure to push the contacts against the correct pads inside. http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0008.htm A little kerosene and silicone grease will clean it up good.) Or you can replace it. Last I checked, it cost me $180 at the dealership to get a new one...and it took a week to order it! http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0006.htm Be careful in removing it though...the metal is nothing more than pot metal and shatters easily! The metal shaft it sits on may have a ton of grease and rust build-up which would prevent the device from coming off of the shaft. If you pry too hard, you will shatter the metal casing. That's what happened to me! Use a sharp gasket scraper and make sure that the shaft is absolutly clean and free of burrs, then remove both the upper bolt and the nut. With a little persuasion, it should slide off of the shaft. BTW, the cable is snaked all the way up into the engine compartment and is connected to another harness with 2 or 3 wireties...and of course, they are inaccessible to anyone with hands...it was a royal pain to get to the wireties and I almost ripped out the entire harness just to get to the ties in order to cut them... One good thing though...if you want to create a lockout theft switch that will prevent the Jeep from starting, this is the harness that you would need to do that! While waiting for my new piece to come from the dealership, I shorted two of the wires together so the jeep would start...I can't remember which ones I used, but it was simple to find them. Ed web/gadget guru --- Marc wrote: Just came back from a day trip where I drove 275 miles. My '89 XJ Laredo got just over 20 miles per gallon. Is this good for the 4.0L? I have about 156,500 miles on it. Also, my Park/Neutral starter lockout is acting up. Easy to replace or override? Thanks, Marc Z in NC '89 XJ Laredo, 4.0L '83 300TD, 207k '83 300D Turbo, 323k ===== "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:24:42 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: OT: 89 Jeep Wrangler YJ - PROJECT - $1975 and/or WTB 2.5 Engine A: There was a '95 2.5L posted on the www.Snort4x4.com board recently. From: HC Carter > Subject: xj: OT: 89 Jeep Wrangler YJ - PROJECT - $1975 and/or WTB 2.5 Engine Sorry for the the slightly off-topic post - but I know there has been some recent 2.5L discussion here! TIA! FS: 89 Jeep Wrangler YJ - PROJECT - $1975 (Eastside) Needs Engine Work! See pictures and info at: http://hccarter.home.comcast.net/jeep/ 1989 Jeep Wrangler YJ - 2.5L 4 cylinder - 5 speed - 157K mi - clean overall condition - Four wheel drive works fine. Good interior - removeable hardtop with full doors. Good condition except for engine. Some extras. Great off-road, build-up project! Selling as a project due to engine problems - I have no time or money to fix it - the engine is noisy and leaking water from the water pump. I do not know if the noise is from the water pump or something worse. I have reduced the price significantly assuming major engine work needed - offers and trades considered - will consider trades for motorcycle, small cargo van, newish computing equip, shop tools, etc. ??? Will be reducing price weekly until the YJ sells - Must sell soon - first reasonable offer accepted! AND/OR: WTB 2.5L engine. I am also interested in maybe buying, or trading for, a decent 2.5L engine to swap into the YJ - anyone have a 2.5 or know of a good source? Other than the engine probs this is a decent little YJ! $1975 - Offers and trades considered! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:27:46 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Mileage, lockout Ed, Excellent write up... any chance of putting that write up with the pictures on http://wagoneers.com/XJ/tech ? I'd be happy to put links to your site and even your email in there if you'd like, or just make sure that folks knew that you wrote it up. Of course the info is in the XJ digests linked to your site, but the digests are hard to get through... I've got some pictures of the throttle position sensor that I'm putting up one of these days as well... thanx, john Ed Kummel wrote: > 20mpg is great! I get about 13-15 combined > highway/city...I can get about 18 straight highway > though... > Unfortunatly, the neutral lockout isn't so easy... > On the right side (passenger side) of the > transmission, there is a metal componant that looks > like this: > http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0002.htm > In this picture, you can barely see the upper bolt. > Chock the wheels and get a friend. Put the vehicle in > reverse and loosen that top bolt. The hole underneath > it is slotted to allow some play. Loosen that big > brass bolt a little as well. Have a friend look at the > back of the Jeep and tell you when the reverse lights > come on while you move the component through the > entire area allowed by the slot. Once the reverse > lights come on, tighten everything and it should work. > If not, then you will need more work. You can either > remove this component, open it up and clean it (the > grease inside gets hard and the metal springs no > longer have enough pressure to push the contacts > against the correct pads inside. > http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0008.htm > A little kerosene and silicone grease will clean it up > good.) > Or you can replace it. Last I checked, it cost me $180 > at the dealership to get a new one...and it took a > week to order it! > http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/img0006.htm > > Be careful in removing it though...the metal is > nothing more than pot metal and shatters easily! > The metal shaft it sits on may have a ton of grease > and rust build-up which would prevent the device from > coming off of the shaft. If you pry too hard, you will > shatter the metal casing. That's what happened to me! > Use a sharp gasket scraper and make sure that the > shaft is absolutly clean and free of burrs, then > remove both the upper bolt and the nut. With a little > persuasion, it should slide off of the shaft. > > BTW, the cable is snaked all the way up into the > engine compartment and is connected to another harness > with 2 or 3 wireties...and of course, they are > inaccessible to anyone with hands...it was a royal > pain to get to the wireties and I almost ripped out > the entire harness just to get to the ties in order to > cut them... > One good thing though...if you want to create a > lockout theft switch that will prevent the Jeep from > starting, this is the harness that you would need to > do that! > While waiting for my new piece to come from the > dealership, I shorted two of the wires together so the > jeep would start...I can't remember which ones I used, > but it was simple to find them. > Ed > web/gadget guru > > --- Marc wrote: > > >>Just came back from a day trip where I drove 275 >>miles. My '89 XJ >>Laredo got just over 20 miles per gallon. Is this >>good for the 4.0L? >>I have about 156,500 miles on it. >> >>Also, my Park/Neutral starter lockout is acting up. >>Easy to replace >>or override? >> >>Thanks, >>Marc Z in NC >> >>'89 XJ Laredo, 4.0L >>'83 300TD, 207k >>'83 300D Turbo, 323k >> > > > > ===== > "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." > - Benjamin Franklin > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1943 *************************