From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 27 21:00:22 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Sunday, November 28 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1968 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: dallas area XJ owners RE: xj: Shock lengths xj: OT selling my Blazer Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer xj: GOJO Re: xj: GOJO xj: Re: [FSJ-XJList] Grand Wagoneer Article - Four Wheeler Jan '05 Re: xj: GOJO Re: xj: GOJO Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:16:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: dallas area XJ owners On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, mikey Mike wrote: >-->sold my 2000 and have a service manual up for grabs .haynes 84-2000. >-->first local willing to get it ,will get it . oh yeah $free oh man, make us feel bad that we're not your neighbors... :) this is nice of you anyways. :) john >--> >-->mike >--> >--> -O|||||||O ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:46:17 -0800 From: "Carl Norman" Subject: RE: xj: Shock lengths Bent the rear driver's side leaf spring still isnt quite back to shape, probably bent for good like that now, but it wont hurt anything. Longer shackels should point the pinion up but if the shims work then what ever. I am gunna try to get 4.5 inches with maybe just a yj slipyoke conversion. There are a few guys on naxja who are running 5-7inches with no mods to the driveshaft other than the yj slipyoke. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 5:02 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: Shock lengths On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Carl Norman wrote: >-->what are you talking about john me and mark are the snohmish monster garage >-->even without a sawzall :) Ya found out yesterday I need longer bumpstops I no, you guys are the frankenstein garage... ;) The nightmare on elm street... or is it pine? ;) ok, ok, you guys can be part of the snohomish monster garage, so long as you don't get creative on any of my vehicles we'll all get along just fine. ;) actually, I was thinking of taking the sawzall to the Jimmy to fit Mark's old 35's on it... but Curtis said it put the jimmy up over 6'6" and that's a problem for parking at work. :( >-->bent a spring testing my travel luckily it looks like it came back to >-->shape(went down to 2inchs of lift back to 3today) but probably in a weakened which springs... >-->state. Mark was telling me he has drivline vibrations after his lift. Try >-->to tell him to replace the universals on the rear axle they are probably >-->worn badly and just need replacement I was 3.5inchs in the back and never >-->had vibrations. He pushed the limit... needs shims... he changed the pinion angle when he replaced the shackles, that forces the front of the diff down and increases the angle... he needs to rotate the pinion back up with shims... :) >-->OH and thanks for the shock info guys got plenty of info to go through now. you bet, that's why I started the XJ list... it was really hard getting stuff for these things back in the late '80s.... :) >--> >-->-Carl >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:38 PM >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: xj: Shock lengths >--> >--> >-->Carl, >--> >-->You're out of control... :) You got to close to the Snohomish Monster >-->Garage didn't you? ;) >--> >-->Give Central 4wd a jingle up on airport road, they'll have the >-->catalogs right there at the counter... Bill VanTuyl was the >-->manager there, he's down in Kent now, and he provides a 10% >-->discount (I think) to XJ list members! >--> >-->I did my 3" lift on the cheap there. >--> >-->Hey, Mark added some lift to his '87. He called me today trying >-->to figure out the vacuum motor on the front axle so he can make >-->it a manual setup so he has 2wd low... >--> >-->Hey, I should put the pictures I took of your XJ being painted >-->up on my server... next time you're home give me a jingle >-->and I'll take a few pictures of your flexy XJ... >--> >-->I may have a Mercedes Diesel engine to put into an XJ... not >-->sure what I'm going to do with this '79 300CD someone gave me... >-->it's nice, but not real nice... my wife won't let me put it on >-->the Jimmy chassis... :( I know Mark wants to drop a V8 >-->in it, but there is no way his mom is going to let me keep >-->it in the yard until he gets out of the air force... :) >--> >-->Keep your eyes open for any nice, clean, luxury type XJ's with >-->blown engines, prefer one that had a 4.0L so the 3.0L Mercedes >-->Diesel will fit. Will need an adapter for the AW4, and some >-->of your new found electronics expertise for the trans control. :) >--> >-->later, >-->john >--> >-->On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Carl Norman wrote: >--> >-->>-->Hey guys I am looking for a cheap fix. My flex is being limited by my >-->>-->crappy RS5000 shocks that were advertised for up to 4inches of >-->>-->lift(Olympic4x4). I have 3.5inchs of lift right now and I need about 4 >-->more >-->>-->inches of down travel in the rear and at least 3inches more in the >-->front. I >-->>-->am looking for a shock with 10 to 11 inches of travel. I've been >-->looking at >-->>-->procomp shocks and OME shocks but I can not find any specs on them >-->anywhere. >-->>-->So if anyone has either of these shocks I would appreciate it if I could >-->get >-->>-->a model number and the extended and compress lengths. I really dont >-->want to >-->>-->pay for blistiens or any of the other expensive brands unless I am >-->forced >-->>-->to, to get my articulation back. >-->>--> >-->>-->-Carl >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:13:21 -0800 (PST) From: Billy Baynes Subject: xj: OT selling my Blazer I'm selling my Blazer if anyone is interested. $700 1990 K5 V1500 Blazer 4x4 with Skyjacker Lift and 33 's EBAY ITEM(#7937711047) Billy 96 XJ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Billy Baynes wrote: >-->I'm selling my Blazer if anyone is interested. >-->$700 >-->1990 K5 V1500 Blazer 4x4 with Skyjacker Lift and >-->33 's >-->EBAY ITEM(#7937711047) >-->Billy >-->96 XJ I could use a few parts off of this for my '83 GMC Jimmy. :) too bad you're way over there in MD... go Terps... ;) (graduated from the UofM, actually never been on campus though... kind of a '70's thing... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:48:11 -0800 (PST) From: Billy Baynes Subject: Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer If it doesn't sell, parting it out would be my next step. I'll be sure to let you know if that happens. Terps put a hurtin on the opponent last night on the basketball court. I can't even remember where they were from it was so bad. Billy - --- john wrote: > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Billy Baynes wrote: > >-->I'm selling my Blazer if anyone is interested. > >-->$700 > >-->1990 K5 V1500 Blazer 4x4 with Skyjacker Lift and > >-->33 's > >-->EBAY ITEM(#7937711047) > >-->Billy > >-->96 XJ > > I could use a few parts off of this for my '83 GMC Jimmy. :) > > too bad you're way over there in MD... go Terps... ;) > (graduated from the UofM, actually never been on campus though... > kind of a '70's thing... ;) > > john > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:06:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Billy Baynes wrote: >-->If it doesn't sell, parting it out would be my next step. I'll be sure to >-->let you know if that happens. Terps put a hurtin on the opponent last >-->night on the basketball court. I can't even remember where they were from >-->it was so bad. sounds good, I need an a/c compressor and a rear window handle... I like the grille on yours better than mine too... are those standard rectangular headlights like on an XJ? mine has the smaller dual headdlight setup. john >--> >-->Billy >-->--- john wrote: >--> >-->> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Billy Baynes wrote: >-->> >-->I'm selling my Blazer if anyone is interested. >-->> >-->$700 >-->> >-->1990 K5 V1500 Blazer 4x4 with Skyjacker Lift and >-->> >-->33 's >-->> >-->EBAY ITEM(#7937711047) >-->> >-->Billy >-->> >-->96 XJ >-->> >-->> I could use a few parts off of this for my '83 GMC Jimmy. :) >-->> >-->> too bad you're way over there in MD... go Terps... ;) >-->> (graduated from the UofM, actually never been on campus though... >-->> kind of a '70's thing... ;) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >-->http://mail.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:46:30 -0500 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: xj: GOJO I just thought a couple people would appreciate these pictures... I went into the kitchen to see how dinner is coming along, and good thing I had a camera close by. http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0894.JPG http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0893.JPG http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0892.JPG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: GOJO your gojo is too clean... I've never had one look that clean... :) john On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >-->I just thought a couple people would appreciate these pictures... >--> >-->I went into the kitchen to see how dinner is coming along, and good thing I >-->had a camera close by. >--> >-->http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0894.JPG >--> >-->http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0893.JPG >--> >-->http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0892.JPG >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:40:08 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: Re: [FSJ-XJList] Grand Wagoneer Article - Four Wheeler Jan '05 A: I think the 4.0L HO will handle your trailer okay (maybe not as nicely as my stroked 6 will be able to handle loads!) After all, the Mighty Elmo only had an anemic carbed 4.6L (120 HP stock) and even with 30" tires I could still haul my 5 ton trailer (IH bus body on a mobile home frame with tandem axles and LOTS of car parts inside) with 2.72 gears, 999 and NP208. Yours has much more going for it with 4.10 gears, AW4 auto, and small tires with 220HP in front. Just finished reading the article "Grand Wagoneer Reborn" in the January 2005 issue of Four Wheeler. Nicely done Jim. (I'm about halfway through your article "Axles 101") Question though, you said, "The Grand Wagoneer is often heralded as the prototypical SUV. That's an accurate portrayal, though it certainly cannot be said it was the first SUV." You didn't mention what the first "SUV" was. What would that be? :) Looking back at 4x4 history the only other production 4x4 that I can recall was the Suburban, hardly a "SUV" at the time. Unless you're thinking the Willys Wagons were... The IH Scout, the Chevy Blazer, Ford Bronco and all the other 4x4s all seemed to come out after the November 1962 launch of the Jeep Wagoneers and Gladiators. The Super Wagoneers would qualify as luxury vehicles... I guess I have trouble with the term "SUV", as do many FSJ owners (full size jeep) dislike the term "SUV" because it invokes images of poorly designed and executed 4x4s that are basically cars tossed on chassis, or worse, pickups with the beds replaced with an enclose. A friend who has run several GM dealerships brought home a new Blazer 4 door and I was checking it out and he readily admitted that it wasn't a Jeep. Designed more for heading up skiing than doing anything in the way of serious offroading. Anyway, I like your comment about the Grand Wagoneer being like John Wayne in a tux with a six shooter in his belt. I like it. In fact, the next Wagoneer I have may just acquire the name "the Duke". :) I also like the ZJ comment. Never liked those things... although the WJ is a winner... I'm on my 2nd now... the WK just doesn't do it for me at all, even though it's picked up some of the Wagoneer's (SJ) features... spare tire under the back, fuel tank on the side... that's about where the similarity ends... it does NOT have the visibility, nor does it have the substance. The WK does ride nice, is quiet, but it just doesn't feel right. :) FWIW, my '83 J10 Stepside is still in many pieces, awaiting the 4.0L transplant. After reading your article I'm partially inspired to track down an '89 to '91 Grand Wagoneer and drop my 6.2L V8 Diesel into it so I can have the visibility and ride AND economy. :) Of course a 4.0L might be sufficient for the economy and keep it Jeep. :) Of course, the question will be, and still is, whether or not a 4.0L in an FSJ will pull my J10 trailer: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/J10-trailer/ as it weighs close to 2,000 lbs in present form... :) ttyl, john meister ***fwiw, I used BCC for Jim Allen's email address... so if you reply it'll be going to the FSJ list only...*** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:07:31 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Re: xj: GOJO You've got that right, John. Especially when working on diesels. There ought to be at least one black smudge on it. :-) Marc Z in NC john wrote: your gojo is too clean... I've never had one look that clean... :) john On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: -->I just thought a couple people would appreciate these pictures... --> -->I went into the kitchen to see how dinner is coming along, and good thing I -->had a camera close by. --> --> http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0894.JPG --> --> http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0893.JPG --> --> http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0892.JPG --> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:24:19 -0500 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: GOJO There is a little on the top spout. Most of the greese comes off on the front door knob. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc" To: Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: Re: xj: GOJO > You've got that right, John. Especially when working > on diesels. There ought to be at least one black > smudge on it. :-) > > Marc Z in NC > > john wrote: > > your gojo is too clean... I've never had one look that clean... :) > > john > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Jesse Barbieri wrote: > > -->I just thought a couple people would appreciate these pictures... > --> > -->I went into the kitchen to see how dinner is coming along, and good thing I > -->had a camera close by. > --> > --> http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0894.JPG --> > --> http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0893.JPG --> > --> http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com/DCP_0892.JPG --> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:37:28 -0800 (PST) From: Billy Baynes Subject: Re: xj: OT selling my Blazer Yes those are standard headlights. This was a Scottsdale and it came with a rubber floor mat and the different grille. No window crank handle as it's electric. Billy - --- john wrote: > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Billy Baynes wrote: > > >-->If it doesn't sell, parting it out would be my next step. I'll be > sure to > >-->let you know if that happens. Terps put a hurtin on the opponent > last > >-->night on the basketball court. I can't even remember where they > were from > >-->it was so bad. > > > sounds good, I need an a/c compressor and a rear window handle... I like > the grille on yours better than mine too... are those standard > rectangular > headlights like on an XJ? mine has the smaller dual headdlight setup. > > john > > >--> > >-->Billy > >-->--- john wrote: > >--> > >-->> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Billy Baynes wrote: > >-->> >-->I'm selling my Blazer if anyone is interested. > >-->> >-->$700 > >-->> >-->1990 K5 V1500 Blazer 4x4 with Skyjacker Lift and > >-->> >-->33 's > >-->> >-->EBAY ITEM(#7937711047) > >-->> >-->Billy > >-->> >-->96 XJ > >-->> > >-->> I could use a few parts off of this for my '83 GMC Jimmy. :) > >-->> > >-->> too bad you're way over there in MD... go Terps... ;) > >-->> (graduated from the UofM, actually never been on campus though... > >-->> kind of a '70's thing... ;) > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >-->http://mail.yahoo.com > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1968 *************************