From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Dec 5 18:42:37 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Monday, December 6 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1974 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] xj: RE: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants (fwd) Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] xj: why Jeeps don't rust here... xj: stolen Warn8K olive-drab winch XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:14:38 -0800 From: john meister Subject: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] I'm not sure but this sounded a bit like a scam to me... we'll see, I sent this quote but it doesn't make sense to spend this much to use amsoil... the citibank visa or telegraph transfer sounds fishy to me... How does one receive payment from international buyers without getting ripped off? One of the guys on a Jeep list working at an international importer got an order like this from either singapore or malaysia for a bunch of winches and got stiffed because it was a stolen credit card. john - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:04:59 -0800 From: john meister Reply-To: john-at-wagoneers.com To: someone at singnet.com.sg> Greetings, I looked at both ground and air shipping. While I love Amsoil lubricants and think they're the best. I personally do not believe that this is a good value for you. Even if I sold this at cost, shipped as cheaply as possible and didn't charge for my time to get this to you, it's still going to cost you well over $300. IF SHIPPED GROUND: group 8 for parcel post (limit 66 lbs!) 70 lb rate to zone 8 SURFACE - $106.10 Total if shipped surface: $375.39 ==================================== IF SHIPPED AIR: Airmail Parcel Post: $282.25 http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub51/51tblc.html#_Toc498745158 total airmail: $551.54 ==================================== If you were to compare 25,000 miles of use with Amsoil, versus $20 oil changes at 3,000 miles, you'd have roughly 8 regular changes for a total of $160. Even using a local synthetic (can you get Mobil1 there?) you'd spend 5x$5 or $25 per change x8 or $200. Either way you'll save over twice that amount over buying AMSOIL. I don't have a lot of free time so $45 isn't an incentive for me at all. I recommend that you just buy whatever you can there, just change it more often. :) There is also the other issue of how we will make payment. I am acutely aware of credit card fraud from some of your countrymen. I will not accept payment by any means that are not 100% secure and without risk. I'm not sure what those means are at this point, and have little time to check into it further. So if you decide to do this, which I don't recommend, I would want full payment for this upfront in a secured form. Once payment is received I'll have the product and shipped out to you within 7 business days. It will take me at least 3 business days from the time the funds clear to have the product shipped here, then I'll have to repack and reship as there is a weight limit into Singapare. (I may have underestimated the shipping costs because I will have to break this shipment up into smaller units to meet the limit... ) Over the years I've looked into shipping internationally... it's never, ever worked out. Ever. Shipping costs have always prevented it from working out. As I suspect it will this time. sincerely, john someone in singapore wrote: > I wonder if you could supply the following Amsoil products and quantity to Singapore. > > i) 20 (twenty) bottles x 1 quart of Amsoil SAE 5W-30 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil > ii) 4 (four) bottles x 1 quart of Amsoil Series 2000 (SAE 0W-30) Fully Synthetic Engine Oil > iii) 6 (six) bottles x 1 quart of Amsoil Series 2000 (SAE 75W-90) Synthetic Gear Lube > > Please quote total price payable (inclusive of freight charges by air) and > estimated time of delivery. I could pay by either Citibank Visa or > Telegraphic Transfer. > someone in singapore DETAILS: - ------------- Qty. Product Price ea. Total 1 ASL-01 - SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil - (12) quart bottles $70.20 $70.20 4 ASL-QT - SAE 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil - (1) quart bottle $5.85 $46.80 8 TSO-QT - SERIES 2000 - SAE 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil - (1) quart bottle $8.50 $34.00 6 TGR-QT - Series 2000 SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube - (1) quart bottle $9.20 $55.20 shipping to Washington $18.09 Weight: 67 lbs. (use 70lbs for estimate - USPS) $224.29 to my door... Handling, repacking, fuel costs and time to reship: $45.00 Subtotal BEFORE Singapore shipping: $269.29 =================================================== group 8 for parcel post (limit 66 lbs!) 70 lb rate to zone 8 SURFACE - $106.10 IF SHIPPED GROUND: Total if shipped surface: $375.39 ==================================== IF SHIPPED AIR: Airmail Parcel Post: $282.25 http://pe.usps.gov/text/pub51/51tblc.html#_Toc498745158 total airmail: $551.54 ============================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 17:02:39 -0600 From: Tom Moulder Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] I recently purchased a music CD from London and a video from Russia - both transactions were done with PayPal - I think it's virtually impossible to be stiffed on the payment. If anyone gets hurt, it's usually whomever receives a misrepresented product. My DVD video would only play on my computer as it had European only (PAL) encoding :-( But they've offered to make it good by giving me another title in the NTSC format for free. john meister wrote: > I'm not sure but this sounded a bit like a scam to me... we'll see, I > sent this > quote but it doesn't make sense to spend this much to use amsoil... > the citibank visa > or telegraph transfer sounds fishy to me... > > How does one receive payment from international buyers without getting > ripped off? > One of the guys on a Jeep list working at an international importer > got an order like this from either singapore or malaysia for a bunch > of winches and got stiffed because it was a stolen credit card. john - -- Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "WOW! What a ride!" tm/Houston No matter where you go, there you are... 88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle 85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] I almost suggested paypal, I might if he goes forward. john On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Tom Moulder wrote: >-->I recently purchased a music CD from London and a video from Russia - >-->both transactions were done with PayPal - I think it's virtually >-->impossible to be stiffed on the payment. If anyone gets hurt, it's >-->usually whomever receives a misrepresented product. My DVD video would >-->only play on my computer as it had European only (PAL) encoding :-( >-->But they've offered to make it good by giving me another title in the >-->NTSC format for free. >--> >--> >-->john meister wrote: >--> >-->> I'm not sure but this sounded a bit like a scam to me... we'll see, I >-->> sent this >-->> quote but it doesn't make sense to spend this much to use amsoil... >-->> the citibank visa >-->> or telegraph transfer sounds fishy to me... >-->> >-->> How does one receive payment from international buyers without getting >-->> ripped off? >-->> One of the guys on a Jeep list working at an international importer >-->> got an order like this from either singapore or malaysia for a bunch >-->> of winches and got stiffed because it was a stolen credit card. >--> >-->john >--> >--> >-->-- >-->Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "WOW! What a ride!" >--> >--> >-->tm/Houston >-->No matter where you go, there you are... >-->88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle >-->85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:45:44 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: RE: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants (fwd) just heard from singapore... shipping is too much, as expected... also think the guy is legit... just didn't realize how much it would cost to ship that much weight around the world. Appreciate the input on avoiding scams... guess the safest way that I've heard so far is paypal... john - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ....com.sg> Hi John, I really appreciate what u've done for me. I'll just take your recommendation and do with what I could obtain from here. The high shipping charges just don't warrant the purchase. Once again, thank you so much. from singapore... ... =================================================== IF SHIPPED GROUND: group 8 for parcel post (limit 66 lbs!) 70 lb rate to zone 8 SURFACE - $106.10 ==================================== IF SHIPPED AIR: Airmail Parcel Post: $282.25 ============================== ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:25:12 -0600 From: "Okiebinder-at-cox.net" Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] I would proceed with extreme caution. Could be a scam, like some try to pull on a larger scale with cars. If you don't feel "right" about this there is probably a reason. Make sure funds are in your hands first and that they cant be reversed. One option I did at work one time is: Set up a small bank account (even at a different bank ) with the minimum amount aloud and only do this type of transaction with this account. This way you only loose the money on that deal and not your main account. However as I said, I would really listen to that "voice", and not go outside what I am comfortable with. Better to loose one sale than, get caught up in a big mess. Good luck David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] the guy must be legit, once he saw the shipping costs he bailed. :) not sure if y'all on the list remember marc bowers, he and I worked together on offroad.com... he was there when I started this list..... anyway he or his company got burned big time by someone in malaysia... they ordered some winches and paid with a stolen credit card. :( Ever since then I get real nervous with requests from far off places like that... john On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Okiebinder-at-cox.net wrote: >-->I would proceed with extreme caution. Could be a scam, like some try to >-->pull on a larger scale with cars. >--> >-->If you don't feel "right" about this there is probably a reason. Make sure >-->funds are in your hands first and that they cant be reversed. >--> >-->One option I did at work one time is: >-->Set up a small bank account (even at a different bank ) with the minimum >-->amount aloud and only do this type of transaction with this account. This >-->way you only loose the money on that deal and not your main account. >-->However as I said, I would really listen to that "voice", and not go >-->outside what I am comfortable with. Better to loose one sale than, get >-->caught up in a big mess. >--> >-->Good luck >-->David >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 02:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: why Jeeps don't rust here... http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/Seattle-weather.html ---- :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:10:04 -0700 From: "Aaron Storms" Subject: xj: stolen Warn8K olive-drab winch Some low-life's tried to steal both my custom front bumper and Warn8K winch over Thanksgiving weekend or this past weekend from in front of my friend's mechanic shop up north of Black Hawk. They couldn't get the bumper off, so trashed the guard with prybars and unbolted the winch and cut the cables. This had to take a fair amount of time to accomplish, and the front of my big olive-drab xj was facing the shop and not the road, so someone had to have driven off Hwy119 to check out the rig first. The shop owner filed a theft report with the Sheriff, so if anyone out there runs across a freshly-painted Warn8000 winch with no remote, please contact me at 303.582.0133 or aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com. This sucks, as no one but a fellow off-roader would have a use for one. Merry Christmas...Aaron __________________ 87xj wheelin' rig Aaron Storms, Publisher Gilpin County News PO Box 93 Black Hawk, CO 80422 303.582.0133 aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1974 *************************