From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 7 11:33:18 2004 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, December 7 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1976 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: DVDs - was: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] xj: Re: [db] 1st tank... xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:41:24 -0500 From: "Paul Wright" Subject: Re: xj: DVDs - was: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] hee true enough, sorry - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: Re: xj: DVDs - was: [Fwd: Re: Rush me Amsoil Lubricants] we might want to update the subject line. :) john n Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Tom Moulder wrote: >-->It says: great for viewing non-region-encoded European discs >-->The disc in question is code free for all regions except region 1 - the >-->US of A, so this still wouldn't help me - too bad, Philips is a good >-->brand and it looks like it has a lot of features for the money. >-->I would like to get the Yamaha DVD-S550PN here: >-->http://www.world-import.com/jvc-dvd.htm >-->As all my other sound equipment is Yamaha - except for the Sony TV and >-->DVD I have now. >-->If money were no object, I would get this one: >-->http://www.dvdcity.com/codefree/pioneer-dv59avi.html >--> >--> >--> >-->Paul Wright wrote: >--> >-->>Hey Tom, >-->> >-->>Try this one.... http://tinyurl.com/4z75c >-->> >-->>Philips DVP642 DivX-Certified, it even plays the xvid codec, i've used >-->>multiple times so far. Also, region free. Can't beat that for under >65.00 >-->>dollars. >-->> >-->>hth, Paul >-->> >--> >-->-- >-->Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving >safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in >broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, >"WOW! What a ride!" >--> >--> >-->tm/Houston >-->No matter where you go, there you are... >-->88 Toyota Supra - Road Vehicle >-->85 Jeep Cherokee - Off Road Vehicle >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] 1st tank... with a switchover to amsoil, tranny service, air in the tires... and leave that trailer disconnected I should easily see 20mpg... john On Mon, 6 Dec 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Hey! If I could get my '94 F-350 IDI up to that milage I'd be HAPPY!! >-->;) >--> >-->Only around 15 right now :/ >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> just tanked up the '83 GMC Jimmy... 6.2L Diesel... 18mpg... and >-->> that's after towing the 2k trailer with dirt/gravel around... took >-->> 27 gallons... dropped $62 on one tank... sheesh... went almost >-->> 500 miles, but still, that hurts.. ;) >-->> >-->> I wonder what this 6.2L would do in an FSJ... :) >-->> >-->> john >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:45:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? The WJ comes with 3.73's and overdrive. 3.73s are a pretty good gear set for all around flexibility, and almost essential without an overdrive. 4.10's are also a good set of gears and what I'm installing in my '83 J10 stepside where I'm using a 4.0L with a full time (quadratrac NP219) xfr case, along with the AW4 overdrive. I've had both WJ's with the 8 and the 6. I haven't had the six out enough to see the highway mileage difference, but the 2mpg difference is realistic with the 6 from what we've seen so far and what I've heard on this list. The v8 is a sweet engine, revs quickly and smoothly and with amsoil synthetics can get 20-21mpg on the freeway. I'm not sure what the OD of the stock tires is now, it's got to be close to 30.5 or even 31" from the looks of it... going to 32" isn't that severe, and the lift has little or no bearing in the economy or gearing issues. It's expensive going to a different gear set. If you're having to repair the rear end on a v8 WJ because they didn't set it up correctly, that's a partial incentive, but not enough reason in my mind... If you're interested in economy go with the 6, 4" of lift and bigger tires. You may be surprised at the results. My '87 XJ with the 6, 31's and stock 3.55's would do 21 mpg easliy on the freeway and around 17 in town! Taller gears are not a bad thing unless you're trying to do rock crawling, burnouts or stop light drag the ricers. I've had both the 6 and the 8, I chose a 6 this time, and am putting one in my Full size Jeep. FOR THE RECORD, I do NOT like the 3.7L V6. I don't care much for any V6, but the 3.7 is anemic and a poor replacement for the venerable I-6 4.0L. I think the 4.0L is the best engine ever put in a Jeep. The powertech I-6 put in the WJ's has significant refinements that make it even more simple and more efficient. So, my vote is the 6, full time four wheel drive, stock 3.73's (although some of the 6's might have 4.10's... isn't that an option if I remember correctly?), the 4" of lift and the slightly bigger tires... It won't be a rocket ship, but it will sail past fuel stops with a smile. john On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, scott blue wrote: >-->Hey John, or anybody with knowledge on the subject, I have a question for you. If you were going to buy a WJ to lift 4 inches and put 32 inch tires on it, would you buy the V8 or the 6? The shop I have been talking to tells me that no matter which one I buy, I should put 4:11 gears in it. I don't think that is a good idea. If I wanted to go for 0 to 60 in about 100 yards, it would be good. I want to keep stock gas mileage as close as possible. I would also like to keep stock power if I can. what would you suggest? I do plan on putting a catback and an Airaid intake on it, so I know these will help with power. I'm confused on the gearing. I would like the V8, because I thought I might get away without gearing it, and I have been told that the stock gas mileage is close between the 6 and the 8, about 2 mile to the gallon difference. Then you also have to think about the full time 4 wheel drive verses the 2WD in the 6. what are your thoughts on this? One guy told me he never met a guy >--> that said he wished he had the 6, after he bought the 8. can you help? >-->Scott >--> >--> >--> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:39:13 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? John, What's the deal with the new Grand? Is there a new ?J designation? Is it as different as the ads purport??? "Beats an Audi..."?! - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: "xj-list" Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? > The WJ comes with 3.73's and overdrive. 3.73s are a pretty good > gear set for all around flexibility, and almost essential without an > overdrive. 4.10's are also a good set of gears and what I'm installing > in my '83 J10 stepside where I'm using a 4.0L with a full time (quadratrac > NP219) xfr case, along with the AW4 overdrive. > > I've had both WJ's with the 8 and the 6. I haven't had the six out > enough to see the highway mileage difference, but the 2mpg difference > is realistic with the 6 from what we've seen so far and what I've > heard on this list. > > The v8 is a sweet engine, revs quickly and smoothly and with amsoil > synthetics can get 20-21mpg on the freeway. > > I'm not sure what the OD of the stock tires is now, it's got to be > close to 30.5 or even 31" from the looks of it... going to 32" isn't > that severe, and the lift has little or no bearing in the economy or > gearing issues. > > It's expensive going to a different gear set. If you're having to > repair the rear end on a v8 WJ because they didn't set it up correctly, > that's a partial incentive, but not enough reason in my mind... > > If you're interested in economy go with the 6, 4" of lift and > bigger tires. You may be surprised at the results. My '87 XJ > with the 6, 31's and stock 3.55's would do 21 mpg easliy on the > freeway and around 17 in town! Taller gears are not a bad thing > unless you're trying to do rock crawling, burnouts or stop light > drag the ricers. > > I've had both the 6 and the 8, I chose a 6 this time, and am > putting one in my Full size Jeep. > > FOR THE RECORD, I do NOT like the 3.7L V6. I don't care much > for any V6, but the 3.7 is anemic and a poor replacement for > the venerable I-6 4.0L. I think the 4.0L is the best engine > ever put in a Jeep. The powertech I-6 put in the WJ's has > significant refinements that make it even more simple and more > efficient. > > So, my vote is the 6, full time four wheel drive, stock 3.73's > (although some of the 6's might have 4.10's... isn't that an > option if I remember correctly?), the 4" of lift and the slightly > bigger tires... It won't be a rocket ship, but it will sail > past fuel stops with a smile. > > john > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, scott blue wrote: > > >-->Hey John, or anybody with knowledge on the subject, I have a question for > you. If you were going to buy a WJ to lift 4 inches and put 32 inch tires on > it, would you buy the V8 or the 6? The shop I have been talking to tells me > that no matter which one I buy, I should put 4:11 gears in it. I don't think > that is a good idea. If I wanted to go for 0 to 60 in about 100 yards, it > would be good. I want to keep stock gas mileage as close as possible. I would > also like to keep stock power if I can. what would you suggest? I do plan on > putting a catback and an Airaid intake on it, so I know these will help with > power. I'm confused on the gearing. I would like the V8, because I thought I > might get away without gearing it, and I have been told that the stock gas > mileage is close between the 6 and the 8, about 2 mile to the gallon > difference. Then you also have to think about the full time 4 wheel drive > verses the 2WD in the 6. what are your thoughts on this? One guy told me he > never met a guy > >--> that said he wished he had the 6, after he bought the 8. can you help? > >-->Scott > >--> > >--> > >--> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #1976 *************************