From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 12 15:47:32 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, April 12 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2050 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: bolt Re: xj: bolt Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Re: xj: looking for... xj: Re: looking for... xj: local law lunacy... but BioDiesel may be ok... Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Re: xj: local law lunacy... but BioDiesel may be ok... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:12:15 -0400 From: KLuebs-at-washgas.com Subject: xj: bolt I don't remember exactly how I got that bolt off, but I did the whole exhaust/intake manifold gasket twice in one year to put a Pacesetter header on. There is some way to get it, just keep trying....I may have used a wrench on some, socket on others, try from top, from bottom etc. Just don't give up!! - --Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: bolt I have a Sears Gift card burning a hole in my pocket (xmas present that was forgotten), and my wife's out of town heh..heh..heh... Ed web/gadget guru - --- KLuebs-at-washgas.com wrote: > I don't remember exactly how I got that bolt off, > but I did the whole > exhaust/intake manifold gasket twice in one year to > put a Pacesetter header > on. There is some way to get it, just keep > trying....I may have used a > wrench on some, socket on others, try from top, from > bottom etc. Just > don't give up!! > > --Kurt > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:59:12 -0700 From: Loeb Subject: Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Perhaps, as a last resort, you could disconnect the engine mount on that side and lower the engine enough to get something on there with leverage? When my passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off on my '87, it was not problem getting the stubs out since I was able to jack the engine up to a height where I had plenty of clearance to work on it. >From: Ed Kummel >Subject: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt > >I have all the parts removed, Injector rail, heat >shield and all the bolts off of the intake/exhaust >manifold...except for one. It's the one all the way in >the back. I got the upper one off, but there is one >just under that right up against the firewall.... > > - -- Loeb Mechatronics Product Design Engineering Manager Microtech Systems 2 Davis Dr. Belmont, CA 94002 Phone: 650.596.1900 x113 Fax: 650.596.1915 mailto:loeb-at-microtech.com http://www.microtech.com 1977 C-27 #3178 ~ ~ ~ (\_~ ~ ~ "Never doubt that a few committed individuals can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has" - Margaret Mead [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of loeb.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:29:04 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Loeb wrote: >-->Perhaps, as a last resort, you could disconnect the engine mount on that >-->side and lower the engine enough to get something on there with I don't think it'll lower... raising could be an option... or remove the brake booster to get a straight shot at it... I wonder if the flat rate manual provides an indication of what is normally involved... john >-->leverage? When my passenger side engine mount bolts sheared off on my >-->'87, it was not problem getting the stubs out since I was able to jack >-->the engine up to a height where I had plenty of clearance to work on it. >--> >--> >-->>From: Ed Kummel >-->>Subject: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt >-->> >-->>I have all the parts removed, Injector rail, heat >-->>shield and all the bolts off of the intake/exhaust >-->>manifold...except for one. It's the one all the way in >-->>the back. I got the upper one off, but there is one >-->>just under that right up against the firewall.... >-->> >-->> >--> >--> >-->-- >--> >--> Loeb >--> Mechatronics Product Design Engineering Manager >--> >--> Microtech Systems >--> 2 Davis Dr. >--> Belmont, CA 94002 >--> Phone: 650.596.1900 x113 >--> Fax: 650.596.1915 >--> mailto:loeb-at-microtech.com >--> http://www.microtech.com >--> >--> 1977 C-27 #3178 ~ ~ ~ (\_~ ~ ~ >--> >--> "Never doubt that a few committed >--> individuals can change the world. >--> Indeed, it is the only thing that >--> ever has" - Margaret Mead >--> >-->[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of loeb.vcf] >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:58:49 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt A: Piece of cake! Undo the motor mount fron the engine and lower it down (floorjack with a block of wood under the oil pan works for me!) From: Ed Kummel Subject: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt so, my 1989 Wagoneer LTD developed an exhaust leak...and wouldn't you know it, at the exhaust manifold gasket on the last cylinder... I have all the parts removed, Injector rail, heat shield and all the bolts off of the intake/exhaust manifold...except for one. It's the one all the way in the back. I got the upper one off, but there is one just under that right up against the firewall.... Anybody here have experience with this? Any tips on getting to this bolt? I can get a socket on it, but I can't angle a wrench or wrench with extension or nothing! It's just this one single bolt... Any help or tips? If I can get a wrench on it, I can remove it... Thanks Ed web/gadget guru ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:01:00 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt A: I let him know how to do that bolt, but yours may be the alignment dowel, or the gasket was replaced and they couldn't get that one bolt back in. From: john Subject: Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt I thought you said this was a Jeep... sounds like SOP for a Mercedes Diesel. ;) can you get to it from underneath? wobbly sockets? thinwalls? deep socket? vise grips? hammer and chisel? ;) this is the time where you get to buy new and interesting tools. :) worse case scenario tack weld something onto the head of the bolt to spin it off and replace it... I'll probably be going through this with the 2.5L '86... it's missing a bolt on the exhaust so I'll have to remove everything and probably ez out the one that's missing, because it's probably busted off in there. ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:03:11 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: looking for... There's a 2wd one just down the hill from me. '82 Olds 98 that was originally a diesel, but was swapped to Rocket 350. He wants to sell the car for parts for $250 (his daughter bent the frame which broke the motor mounts but it still runs good) From: john Subject: xj: looking for... I'm looking for a 700R4 (4x4) that will work behind a 6.2L Diesel, 1983. If I can find one with the driver's side and xfr case that would be even better... Otherwise I'm either going to rework my NP208 with the input gear from my '83 J10, reclock it or find an newer Chevy xfr case. If I can't find the xfr case setup, I would need a J10 Dana 44 front axle with 4.10 gears and pass side drop, 74-79 years... I'm going to look into rebuilding what I have... any one in the seattle/Everett/Bellevue area know of any good shops that are reasonable? How about shops to take a wide berth around? :) thanx, john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:05:02 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: Re: looking for... I've had nothing but good luck and heard good things about Sea-Tac trans. I even buy my own parts from them. They are on Pac Hwy just south of the Midway Drive-in/ Swapmeet. I'm looking for a 700R4 (4x4) that will work behind a 6.2L Diesel, 1983. If I can find one with the driver's side and xfr case that would be even better... Otherwise I'm either going to rework my NP208 with the input gear from my '83 J10, reclock it or find an newer Chevy xfr case. If I can't find the xfr case setup, I would need a J10 Dana 44 front axle with 4.10 gears and pass side drop, 74-79 years... I'm going to look into rebuilding what I have... any one in the seattle/Everett/Bellevue area know of any good shops that are reasonable? How about shops to take a wide berth around? :) thanx, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: xj: local law lunacy... but BioDiesel may be ok... I raised the issue about why my company has to charge me a parking fee for the "priviledge" of working here in Seattle. I'm paying $5.00 a day, or $70/mo to park in the company owned building. King County/Seattle, WA is trying to force people to take buses or carpools to get here. Problem is my work hours are not static, and commuting by bus or carpool would add as much as an hour or MORE to my commute time. If I took the "rapid/express" bus my commute time would be over 1.5hrs. My typical commute time is 35 to 45 minutes, depending on whether it's raining, sunny or someone smacked someone else or a guardrail... (sun is worse than rain for some strange reason... ;) There are times when I can make the 26 miles in right at 30 minutes... no I won't tell you how fast I was going, I'll just say I was keeping up with traffic... But my point is that public transportation has failed miserably. It does not solve the problem and is a waste of resources. They make carpool only lanes and exits that are utilized less than 15 to 25% of the time while the main lanes are packed solid. They are trying to force behavior that is simply not working for the vast majority of us. Anyway, someone here did some research on the Biodiesel thing as I raised this as an alternative to public transportation... you know it's kind of scarey when what I'm doing is acceptable to the liberal treehugging mindset... and it's the same thing they criticized just a few years ago... I was burning waste veggie oil in my rabbit Diesel 23 years ago... before Neil Young took an interest in it. ;) But that's ok, if I can get these folks to like Diesels then maybe the next step is to get them to read the Bible... :) john - --------------------------------------------- The response I got from my metro contact: Basically, she just says it's a matter of time before the Commute Trip Reduction taskforce takes a look at Biodiesel... But they have not done so yet.... from: -at-METROKC.GOV] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: RE: CTR Law Question As far as I know the State's CTR Task Force in Olympia has not taken on the "Biodiesel question" but it's probably just a matter of time before they do. Here is a link to some related stores and info: http://search.wsdot.wa.gov/search?q=biodiesel&btnG=Search&site=www&client=www&proxystylesheet=www&output=xml_no_dtd I attended the "Farm Aid" concert in Auburn last summer, and Neil Young was there talking about a type of true biodiesel that was made from excess corn product I believe. Here is a link to some articles related to that: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Neil+Young%2C+Biodiesel Thanks for your inquiry--it makes me think that we need to have a link on our CTR website to the WSDOT site, so I will work with our marketing guy on that. - -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: CTR Law Question Hi P...., Is the law ever going to take into account individuals who may not be able to use alternate commute modes, but try to do their part by using biodiesel instead of gas? I know it does not take into account the traffic congestion aspect of the law but it certainly does the environmental. Thanks, ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:39:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt Lifting the engine may be an option. My Jeep has ABS, so I'm a little afraid of messing with the booster and such. As a last resort, I may try that. Ed web/gadget guru - --- john wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Loeb wrote: > > >-->Perhaps, as a last resort, you could disconnect > the engine mount on that > >-->side and lower the engine enough to get > something on there with > > I don't think it'll lower... raising could be an > option... or remove > the brake booster to get a straight shot at it... > > I wonder if the flat rate manual provides an > indication of what is normally > involved... > > john > > >-->leverage? When my passenger side engine mount > bolts sheared off on my > >-->'87, it was not problem getting the stubs out > since I was able to jack > >-->the engine up to a height where I had plenty of > clearance to work on it. > >--> > >--> > >-->>From: Ed Kummel > >-->>Subject: xj: Tricks to removing a bolt > >-->> > >-->>I have all the parts removed, Injector rail, > heat > >-->>shield and all the bolts off of the > intake/exhaust > >-->>manifold...except for one. It's the one all the > way in > >-->>the back. I got the upper one off, but there is > one > >-->>just under that right up against the > firewall.... > >-->> > >-->> > >--> > >--> > >-->-- > >--> > >--> Loeb > >--> Mechatronics Product Design Engineering > Manager > >--> > >--> Microtech Systems > >--> 2 Davis Dr. > >--> Belmont, CA 94002 > >--> Phone: 650.596.1900 x113 > >--> Fax: 650.596.1915 > >--> mailto:loeb-at-microtech.com > >--> http://www.microtech.com > >--> > >--> 1977 C-27 #3178 ~ ~ ~ (\_~ ~ ~ > >--> > >--> "Never doubt that a few committed > >--> individuals can change the world. > >--> Indeed, it is the only thing that > >--> ever has" - Margaret Mead > >--> > >-->[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type > text/x-vcard which had a name of loeb.vcf] > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: local law lunacy... but BioDiesel may be ok... Just be glad you don't work/live in that other "Washington" (DC that is...) My sister worked on Embassy Row and eventually worked her way up the ranks to get an indoor parking garage space for the priviledge of paying $600/month. When she *left* (read, "laid-off"), the parking price went up to over $700/month... Ed web/gadget guru - --- john wrote: > I raised the issue about why my company has to > charge me > a parking fee for the "priviledge" of working here > in Seattle. > > I'm paying $5.00 a day, or $70/mo to park in the > company owned building. > King County/Seattle, WA is trying to force people to > take > buses or carpools to get here. Problem is my work > hours are > not static, and commuting by bus or carpool would > add as much as > an hour or MORE to my commute time. > > If I took the "rapid/express" bus my commute time > would be over 1.5hrs. > > My typical commute time is 35 to 45 minutes, > depending on whether it's > raining, sunny or someone smacked someone else or a > guardrail... (sun > is worse than rain for some strange reason... ;) > There are times > when I can make the 26 miles in right at 30 > minutes... no I won't > tell you how fast I was going, I'll just say I was > keeping up with > traffic... > > But my point is that public transportation has > failed miserably. It > does not solve the problem and is a waste of > resources. They make > carpool only lanes and exits that are utilized less > than 15 to 25% of the > time while the main lanes are packed solid. They > are trying to force > behavior that is simply not working for the vast > majority of us. > > Anyway, someone here did some research on the > Biodiesel thing > as I raised this as an alternative to public > transportation... > > you know it's kind of scarey when what I'm doing is > acceptable > to the liberal treehugging mindset... and it's the > same thing > they criticized just a few years ago... I was > burning waste veggie > oil in my rabbit Diesel 23 years ago... before Neil > Young took an > interest in it. ;) But that's ok, if I can get > these folks to > like Diesels then maybe the next step is to get them > to read > the Bible... :) > > john > > > --------------------------------------------- > > The response I got from my metro contact: > Basically, she just says it's a matter of time > before the Commute Trip Reduction taskforce takes a > look at Biodiesel... > > But they have not done so yet.... > > from: -at-METROKC.GOV] > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:26 AM > Subject: RE: CTR Law Question > > As far as I know the State's CTR Task Force in > Olympia > has not taken on the "Biodiesel question" but it's > probably just a matter of time before they do. Here > is a > link to some related stores and info: > > http://search.wsdot.wa.gov/search?q=biodiesel&btnG=Search&site=www&client=www&proxystylesheet=www&output=xml_no_dtd > > I attended the "Farm Aid" concert in Auburn last > summer, and Neil Young > was there talking about a type of true biodiesel > that was made from excess > corn product I believe. Here is a link to some > articles related to that: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Neil+Young%2C+Biodiesel > > Thanks for your inquiry--it makes me think that we > need to have a link on our > CTR website to the WSDOT site, so I will work with > our marketing guy on that. > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:31 AM > Subject: CTR Law Question > > > Hi P...., > Is the law ever going to take into account > individuals who may not be able > to use alternate commute modes, but try to do their > part by using biodiesel > instead of gas? I know it does not take into > account the traffic congestion > aspect of the law but it certainly does the > environmental. > Thanks, > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2050 *************************