From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 26 23:15:57 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, April 27 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2069 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Re: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Re: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Re: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:46:14 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... A: John, If it's not done yet, I may be in your neck of the woods tomorrow (after visiting 2 Docs by 1PM, I'm going to pick up the TH400 and Tcase in Everett as well as a 727 Jeep core in Mukilteo for my son's buildup and hope to get a cheap compressor from Harbor Fright while I'm at it) I just posted the non-vacuum D30/D35 with 3.55 combo (from an '87 Comanche so the rear is different from XJ) for $100 if anyone's interested. Not sure if I'll be running the J4000 or the Comanche (both get about the same fuel economy on the highway and J4000 is already dirty and full of older gas, from the Bronco my son parted, that needs burning off before it gets much older) From: john Subject: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... send the pictures... at this point any size will be appreciated. :) I've got a mechanic friend dropping by this afternoon that may fix mine for me. ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Here is the picture I have that best captures the spring in question. I'm sorry that it's not very clear...the angle is all off... http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/jeep_steering/DSCN0460_DCE.JPG This and DSCN0461_DCE.JPG are the only pictures I have of that side of the steering column. btw, the trick is to not just tighten the screws, it's to use locktite! If you don't use locktite, you'll just be taking the steering column apart in a few months again! Ed web/gadget guru - --- Jim Blair wrote: > A: John, If it's not done yet, I may be in your neck > of the woods tomorrow > (after visiting 2 Docs by 1PM, I'm going to pick up > the TH400 and Tcase in > Everett as well as a 727 Jeep core in Mukilteo for > my son's buildup and hope > to get a cheap compressor from Harbor Fright while > I'm at it) I just posted > the non-vacuum D30/D35 with 3.55 combo (from an '87 > Comanche so the rear is > different from XJ) for $100 if anyone's interested. > Not sure if I'll be > running the J4000 or the Comanche (both get about > the same fuel economy on > the highway and J4000 is already dirty and full of > older gas, from the > Bronco my son parted, that needs burning off before > it gets much older) > > > From: john > Subject: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my > backside... > > send the pictures... at this point any size will be > appreciated. :) > > I've got a mechanic friend dropping by this > afternoon that may fix mine > for me. ;) > > john > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... wow, that is different than what I put back in. :) thanx, john On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Here is the picture I have that best captures the >-->spring in question. >-->I'm sorry that it's not very clear...the angle is all >-->off... >-->http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/jeep_steering/DSCN0460_DCE.JPG >-->This and DSCN0461_DCE.JPG are the only pictures I have >-->of that side of the steering column. >--> >-->btw, the trick is to not just tighten the screws, it's >-->to use locktite! If you don't use locktite, you'll >-->just be taking the steering column apart in a few >-->months again! >-->Ed >-->web/gadget guru >--> >-->--- Jim Blair wrote: >-->> A: John, If it's not done yet, I may be in your neck >-->> of the woods tomorrow >-->> (after visiting 2 Docs by 1PM, I'm going to pick up >-->> the TH400 and Tcase in >-->> Everett as well as a 727 Jeep core in Mukilteo for >-->> my son's buildup and hope >-->> to get a cheap compressor from Harbor Fright while >-->> I'm at it) I just posted >-->> the non-vacuum D30/D35 with 3.55 combo (from an '87 >-->> Comanche so the rear is >-->> different from XJ) for $100 if anyone's interested. >-->> Not sure if I'll be >-->> running the J4000 or the Comanche (both get about >-->> the same fuel economy on >-->> the highway and J4000 is already dirty and full of >-->> older gas, from the >-->> Bronco my son parted, that needs burning off before >-->> it gets much older) >-->> >-->> >-->> From: john >-->> Subject: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my >-->> backside... >-->> >-->> send the pictures... at this point any size will be >-->> appreciated. :) >-->> >-->> I've got a mechanic friend dropping by this >-->> afternoon that may fix mine >-->> for me. ;) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >--> >-->"I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." >--> --Holiday Inn Commercial >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... I never took that part of my steering apart, so what you see is completly unadulterated. Also, keep in mind that this is on a 1989 Jeep Wagoneer LTD, so there may be a difference (although I doubt it.) Ed web/gadget guru - --- john wrote: > wow, that is different than what I put back in. :) > > thanx, > john > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Ed Kummel wrote: > > >-->Here is the picture I have that best captures > the > >-->spring in question. > >-->I'm sorry that it's not very clear...the angle > is all > >-->off... > >-->http://newton.tek-ed.com/jeep/jeep_steering/DSCN0460_DCE.JPG > >-->This and DSCN0461_DCE.JPG are the only pictures > I have > >-->of that side of the steering column. > >--> > >-->btw, the trick is to not just tighten the > screws, it's > >-->to use locktite! If you don't use locktite, > you'll > >-->just be taking the steering column apart in a > few > >-->months again! > >-->Ed > >-->web/gadget guru > >--> > >-->--- Jim Blair wrote: > >-->> A: John, If it's not done yet, I may be in > your neck > >-->> of the woods tomorrow > >-->> (after visiting 2 Docs by 1PM, I'm going to > pick up > >-->> the TH400 and Tcase in > >-->> Everett as well as a 727 Jeep core in Mukilteo > for > >-->> my son's buildup and hope > >-->> to get a cheap compressor from Harbor Fright > while > >-->> I'm at it) I just posted > >-->> the non-vacuum D30/D35 with 3.55 combo (from > an '87 > >-->> Comanche so the rear is > >-->> different from XJ) for $100 if anyone's > interested. > >-->> Not sure if I'll be > >-->> running the J4000 or the Comanche (both get > about > >-->> the same fuel economy on > >-->> the highway and J4000 is already dirty and > full of > >-->> older gas, from the > >-->> Bronco my son parted, that needs burning off > before > >-->> it gets much older) > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> From: john > >-->> Subject: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my > >-->> backside... > >-->> > >-->> send the pictures... at this point any size > will be > >-->> appreciated. :) > >-->> > >-->> I've got a mechanic friend dropping by this > >-->> afternoon that may fix mine > >-->> for me. ;) > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >--> > >-->"I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a > Holiday Inn Express once..." > >--> --Holiday Inn Commercial > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:07:51 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... John, I will go out there in a couple minutes and rip it apart. Right now I am trying to check on bolt patterns and see if I need to replace my TCU along with everything else in my '89. I am going to put a '96 engine in my '89 so I know I need everything under the hood from the '96. I know a couple sensors control the TCU, but I have everything rigged up in there so I can control the tranny manually with my switch panel. Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... > I've tried to reach the bolts from the holes on the SJ > column but ended up taking it apart further... however, > if one can do this without the pain and suffering... more > power to them. > > I'll be looking forward to seeing how that spring > is supposed to look... I may have to buy a new one... > > john > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Jesse Barbieri wrote: > >> -->The guy who did my '89 three years ago only tightened three of the >> bolts. >> -->The problem is the aluminum is not strong enough to hold the steering >> wheel >> -->by only three bolts with all that leverage. Now my steering column is >> loose >> -->again. Damn jerk charged me $130 for it. I only found out a couple >> weeks >> -->ago that he only tightened three of them. >> --> >> -->Jesse. >> -->----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kummel" >> -->To: >> -->Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:06 AM >> -->Subject: Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... >> --> >> --> >> -->> You do not have to take the entire collumn apart to >> -->> fix a wobbly tilt steering system. >> -->> Here is what I did when I fixed mine. >> -->> I took off only the stuff up to the turnsignal >> -->> section. Unplug the harness from under the dash and >> -->> pulled the turn signal plastics out of the way. >> -->> Looking at the collumn, you can see two holes that run >> -->> all the way into the collumn. Actuate the tilt system >> -->> and you will see one of the bolts that you need to >> -->> tighten. slide the socket down the hole and unscrew >> -->> the bolt. Remove the bolt and replace it, but not >> -->> before you put a little Locktite 271 on the threads (I >> -->> think it's 271..) actuate the tilt mechanism again and >> -->> you will see the other bolt (I think that there are >> -->> more, but you really don't need to tighten those if >> -->> you can tighten at least two) remove it too and >> -->> replace it with locktite on the threads. Replace >> -->> everything and you're good to go...I have pictures of >> -->> mine when I did this...I'll check to see if I can find >> -->> them. >> -->> Ed >> -->> web/gadget guru >> -->> --- Jesse Barbieri wrote: >> -->> > The column on my black jeep is a little loose. If >> -->> > you would like, I can >> -->> > take it apart tomorrow and take pictures of it for >> -->> > you. >> -->> > >> -->> > >> -->> > Jesse. >> -->> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" >> -->> > To: "full size jeep list" ; >> -->> > "xj-list" >> -->> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:39 PM >> -->> > Subject: xj: this spring is kicking my backside... >> -->> > >> -->> > >> -->> > > I'm still having troubles getting my column back >> -->> > > together... it's the one spring that controls the >> -->> > > steering lock/ignition switch. The manual >> -->> > > has a drawing, drawn from the wrong perspective >> -->> > > and with little detail... >> -->> > > >> -->> > > I get it all lined up and working and then slide >> -->> > > the cover over it carefully and clunk, it pops >> -->> > off.... >> -->> > > >> -->> > > arrggghhhh... >> -->> > > >> -->> > > john >> -->> > > >> -->> > > >> -->> > > ---- >> -->> > > >> -->> > > >> -->> > >> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -->> > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** >> -->> > http://wagoneers.com ** >> -->> > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps >> -->> > don't rust, they mold >> -->> > > ** http://freegift.net *** >> -->> > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >> -->> > > >> -->> > >> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -->> > >> -->> >> -->> "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express >> once..." >> -->> --Holiday Inn Commercial >> -->> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> -->> http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:08:36 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... I'd be real interested in a "lessons learned" file from this swap Jesse. Any of your files, notes, emails, websites of reference.... I've got an '87 Street Comanche waiting for my time and attention and a 12 year old with an itch... I'd kind of like to get a '96 or better model year motor eventually to swap in there as well as a yet-unfound AX15 to replace the Pug... So I'm starting to play hunter/gatherer now... Jesse Barbieri wrote: > John, > > I will go out there in a couple minutes and rip it apart. Right > now I am trying to check on bolt patterns and see if I need to replace > my TCU along with everything else in my '89. I am going to put a '96 > engine in my '89 so I know I need everything under the hood from the > '96. I know a couple sensors control the TCU, but I have everything > rigged up in there so I can control the tranny manually with my switch > panel. > > Jesse. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... > > >> I've tried to reach the bolts from the holes on the SJ >> column but ended up taking it apart further... however, >> if one can do this without the pain and suffering... more >> power to them. >> >> I'll be looking forward to seeing how that spring >> is supposed to look... I may have to buy a new one... >> >> john >> >> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >> >>> -->The guy who did my '89 three years ago only tightened three of >>> the bolts. >>> -->The problem is the aluminum is not strong enough to hold the >>> steering wheel >>> -->by only three bolts with all that leverage. Now my steering >>> column is loose >>> -->again. Damn jerk charged me $130 for it. I only found out a >>> couple weeks >>> -->ago that he only tightened three of them. >>> --> >>> -->Jesse. >>> -->----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kummel" >>> -->To: >>> -->Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 2:06 AM >>> -->Subject: Re: xj: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... >>> --> >>> --> >>> -->> You do not have to take the entire collumn apart to >>> -->> fix a wobbly tilt steering system. >>> -->> Here is what I did when I fixed mine. >>> -->> I took off only the stuff up to the turnsignal >>> -->> section. Unplug the harness from under the dash and >>> -->> pulled the turn signal plastics out of the way. >>> -->> Looking at the collumn, you can see two holes that run >>> -->> all the way into the collumn. Actuate the tilt system >>> -->> and you will see one of the bolts that you need to >>> -->> tighten. slide the socket down the hole and unscrew >>> -->> the bolt. Remove the bolt and replace it, but not >>> -->> before you put a little Locktite 271 on the threads (I >>> -->> think it's 271..) actuate the tilt mechanism again and >>> -->> you will see the other bolt (I think that there are >>> -->> more, but you really don't need to tighten those if >>> -->> you can tighten at least two) remove it too and >>> -->> replace it with locktite on the threads. Replace >>> -->> everything and you're good to go...I have pictures of >>> -->> mine when I did this...I'll check to see if I can find >>> -->> them. >>> -->> Ed >>> -->> web/gadget guru >>> -->> --- Jesse Barbieri wrote: >>> -->> > The column on my black jeep is a little loose. If >>> -->> > you would like, I can >>> -->> > take it apart tomorrow and take pictures of it for >>> -->> > you. >>> -->> > >>> -->> > >>> -->> > Jesse. >>> -->> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" >>> -->> > To: "full size jeep list" ; >>> -->> > "xj-list" >>> -->> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:39 PM >>> -->> > Subject: xj: this spring is kicking my backside... >>> -->> > >>> -->> > >>> -->> > > I'm still having troubles getting my column back >>> -->> > > together... it's the one spring that controls the >>> -->> > > steering lock/ignition switch. The manual >>> -->> > > has a drawing, drawn from the wrong perspective >>> -->> > > and with little detail... >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > > I get it all lined up and working and then slide >>> -->> > > the cover over it carefully and clunk, it pops >>> -->> > off.... >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > > arrggghhhh... >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > > john >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > > ---- >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > >>> -->> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> -->> > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** >>> -->> > http://wagoneers.com ** >>> -->> > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps >>> -->> > don't rust, they mold >>> -->> > > ** http://freegift.net *** >>> -->> > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >>> -->> > > >>> -->> > >>> -->> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> -->> > >>> -->> >>> -->> "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express >>> once..." >>> -->> --Holiday Inn Commercial >>> -->> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> -->> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> ---- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - -- "Microsoft Certified Professionals are to the computing industry what McDonalds Certified Food Specialists are to gourmet restaurants." -Michael Bacarella 00Mar15 - ---------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee Laredo - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2069 *************************