From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon May 9 23:01:11 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, May 10 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2082 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: '77 FSJ 360ci Freeze Plug Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom Re: xj: 4.0L symptom Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom xj: pix xj's, wj's and ml's. xj: Re: pix xj's, wj's and ml's. xj: Opinions sought: GM Dana 60 for xj xj: Re: 4.0L symptom XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:39:27 -0400 From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: xj: '77 FSJ 360ci Freeze Plug We started my '77 cherokee today and about 10 minutes of running the engine, my dad noticed some coolant dripping on the differential. We opened the hood and sure enough there was a pin hole in the freeze plug on the passenger side head. I got a socket that was the same size as the freeze plug and tried to tap it back in. Well the socket put a nice hole into to the freeze plug. Turns out the freeze plug was totally rusted. Is there any way to replace one of these without taking the head off? I guess taking the head off an engine that old isnt a bad idea anyway. Should I get a used head from a newer 360 in a salvage yard? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:52:29 -0500 From: "Mike Petersen" Subject: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom Mine did the same thing, turned out ot be a bad injector. Seemed like it would miss but if you put your foot into it, it would run fine until the load backed off. I pulled the plugs and replaced the injector on the one that was black. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom You might also want to check the crank position sensor wire. My '87 had the wires melt to the block and shorted out. It would run, but run like crap for atleast 10 minutes. I have no idea why, but it did. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Blair Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 11:42 am Subject: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom > A: Your converter may be prematurely locking up. The maintenance > light only > goes off with a OBD machine with code erasing capabilities. I'd > give it a > compression test, then do a injector drop test to see if one isn't > working. > > > the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove > up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, > oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to > the limit and then some... > > but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load > it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from > idle all the way up, except under full throttle... > then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. > > When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening > fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... > > I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all > the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new > NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs > up sweetly... > > The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner > and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with > a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. > > At this point it's a toss up between just doing a > shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could > do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure > it out. > > BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, > but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy > timer thing on the '92? :) > > My close up vision in low light ain't very good. > When I wore bifocals I could still see up close > without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... > now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a > challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look > ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... > but I digress... > > There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone > have any suggestions, ideas? > > thanx, > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:59:19 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L symptom On Sun, 8 May 2005, Don Hansen wrote: > -->Or an intermittently dying dist pick up coil?? My 95 did that awhile > -->back... > --> > -->----- Original Message ----- From: > -->To: > -->Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:56 AM > -->Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L symptom > --> > --> > -->> I had a similar problem with my '87 after I replaced the distributor. It > -->> turned out that I had the distrubutor gear a little off from TDC. > -->> > -->> It might be worth a try. > -->> > -->> Jesse. > -->> > -->> ----- Original Message ----- > -->> > -->> From: john > -->> > -->> Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 0:54 am > -->> > -->> Subject: xj: 4.0L symptom > -->> > -->> > the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove > -->> > up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, > -->> > oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to > -->> > the limit and then some... > -->> > > -->> > but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load > -->> > it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from > -->> > idle all the way up, except under full throttle... > -->> > then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. > -->> > > -->> > When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening > -->> > fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... > -->> > > -->> > I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all > -->> > the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new > -->> > NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs > -->> > up sweetly... > -->> > > -->> > The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner > -->> > and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with > -->> > a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. > -->> > > -->> > At this point it's a toss up between just doing a > -->> > shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could > -->> > do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure > -->> > it out. > -->> > > -->> > BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, > -->> > but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy > -->> > timer thing on the '92? :) > -->> > > -->> > My close up vision in low light ain't very good. > -->> > When I wore bifocals I could still see up close > -->> > without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... > -->> > now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a > -->> > challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look > -->> > ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... > -->> > but I digress... > -->> > > -->> > There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone > -->> > have any suggestions, ideas? > -->> > > -->> > thanx, > -->> > john > -->> > > -->> > ---- > -->> > > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > ------ > -->> > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> > ** http://freegift.net *** > -->> > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > ------ > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom On Sun, 8 May 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->A: Your converter may be prematurely locking up. The maintenance light only >-->goes off with a OBD machine with code erasing capabilities. I'd give it a >-->compression test, then do a injector drop test to see if one isn't working. hey, there's a thought... it could indeed be an injector! Diesels have these same symptoms... didn't even think about that... :) good call jim. john >--> >--> >--> >--> the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove >-->up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, >-->oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to >-->the limit and then some... >--> >-->but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load >-->it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from >-->idle all the way up, except under full throttle... >-->then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. >--> >-->When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening >-->fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... >--> >-->I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all >-->the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new >-->NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs >-->up sweetly... >--> >-->The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner >-->and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with >-->a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. >--> >-->At this point it's a toss up between just doing a >-->shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could >-->do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure >-->it out. >--> >-->BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, >-->but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy >-->timer thing on the '92? :) >--> >-->My close up vision in low light ain't very good. >-->When I wore bifocals I could still see up close >-->without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... >-->now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a >-->challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look >-->ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... >-->but I digress... >--> >-->There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone >-->have any suggestions, ideas? >--> >-->thanx, >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 19:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom On Sun, 8 May 2005, Mike Petersen wrote: >-->Mine did the same thing, turned out ot be a bad injector. Seemed like it >-->would miss but if you put your foot into it, it would run fine until the >-->load backed off. I pulled the plugs and replaced the injector on the one >-->that was black. hey, cool... that would be #1 if I remember correctly. thank you mike & jim!!! john >--> >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: >-->To: >-->Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:47 PM >-->Subject: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom >--> >--> >-->You might also want to check the crank position sensor wire. My '87 had >-->the wires melt to the block and shorted out. It would run, but run like >-->crap for atleast 10 minutes. I have no idea why, but it did. >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >--> >-->From: Jim Blair >--> >-->Date: Sunday, May 8, 2005 11:42 am >--> >-->Subject: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom >--> >-->> A: Your converter may be prematurely locking up. The maintenance >-->> light only >-->> goes off with a OBD machine with code erasing capabilities. I'd >-->> give it a >-->> compression test, then do a injector drop test to see if one isn't >-->> working. >-->> >-->> >-->> the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove >-->> up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, >-->> oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to >-->> the limit and then some... >-->> >-->> but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load >-->> it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from >-->> idle all the way up, except under full throttle... >-->> then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. >-->> >-->> When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening >-->> fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... >-->> >-->> I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all >-->> the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new >-->> NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs >-->> up sweetly... >-->> >-->> The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner >-->> and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with >-->> a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. >-->> >-->> At this point it's a toss up between just doing a >-->> shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could >-->> do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure >-->> it out. >-->> >-->> BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, >-->> but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy >-->> timer thing on the '92? :) >-->> >-->> My close up vision in low light ain't very good. >-->> When I wore bifocals I could still see up close >-->> without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... >-->> now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a >-->> challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look >-->> ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... >-->> but I digress... >-->> >-->> There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone >-->> have any suggestions, ideas? >-->> >-->> thanx, >-->> john >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ------ >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ------ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 23:53:34 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: xj: pix xj's, wj's and ml's. http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/92-sport/2xjs-1wj.jpg http://www.JohnMeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ML_rally_2005/ after driving the ML series... I'm quite happy with our WJ. I'd take a new WK over an ML even... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-Magazine-ARTICLES/WK-2005-web/pg20-fsj-spring2005.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-Magazine-ARTICLES/WK-2005-web/pg21-fsj-spring2005.jpg john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:31:15 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: Re: pix xj's, wj's and ml's. A: I'm waiting to test drive the Commander, but due to the skyrocketing fuel costs, it may not come to fruition. 8^( In the meantime, I'll have to play with what I have now ('84 J10, '73 J4000, '88 Comanche and the latest, a cream colored '84 XJ 2 dr that looks VERY nice, but needs mechanical work. It just may have a 304 in it's future! ) http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/92-sport/2xjs-1wj.jpg http://www.JohnMeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ML_rally_2005/ after driving the ML series... I'm quite happy with our WJ. I'd take a new WK over an ML even... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-Magazine-ARTICLES/WK-2005-web/pg20-fsj-spring2005.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-Magazine-ARTICLES/WK-2005-web/pg21-fsj-spring2005.jpg john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:22:28 EDT From: Smokey99908-at-aol.com Subject: xj: Opinions sought: GM Dana 60 for xj >From a recent local ad: "84 gm dana 60 front end 456 gears ,locking hubs, disc brakes,matching rear both with rims and tires . axles are from a dually $600 for it all " not that I was in the market for this; but I do like the sounds of it if it would go well in my 86 xj with new chevy v-6 and holley projection2 TBI. stock height. Not interested in 'duallys' ; is it simple enough to convert to a regular 2 wheel setup? I'm checking on Q of if it has a 'pinion snubber mount' as Ive heard many on the market don't Seeking advice and opinions re: fit, conversion, price etc. I'm pretty naive when it comes to drivetrains. Seems to be a complete setup and a great price? Thanks all, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:56:45 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom On Mon, 9 May 2005, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->true that. as long as you're at least examined them. ;) >--> >-->speaking of injectors, some on my XJ list have swapped in ford injectors. >-->more flow and less expensive - so i've heard. more flow usually equals richer mixture which equals lower fuel economy and a toasted cat... been there done that when I mistakenly used HO injectors on a non-ho motor. ;) john >--> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->Project '96 XJ >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >--> >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: "Neal Hoover" >-->Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:45 PM >-->Subject: Re: 4.0L symptom >--> >--> >-->> On Mon, 9 May 2005, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->plug wires are sometimes like what the say about glass..... >-->> >-->"hot glass looks like cold glass." >-->> >-->so, bad plug wires often can "look like" good wires. >-->> >-->> rerouting bad plug wires or viewing them at night usually >-->> reveal the truth though. :) >-->> >-->> injectors aren't cheap... almost a c note per hole! >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->> >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->> >-->Project '96 XJ >-->> >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->> >-->From: "john" >-->> >-->To: "Neal Hoover" >-->> >-->Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:37 PM >-->> >-->Subject: Re: 4.0L symptom >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> On Sun, 8 May 2005, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->did you also change the plug wires? i've had plug wires do that >-->to me >-->> >-->> >-->before. >-->> >-->> >-->CPS is another culprit. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> plug wires look good, but will give that some thought.. the cps >-->> >-->> isn't a suspect based on the symptoms... the injectors are the most >-->likely >-->> >-->> suspect at this point. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->> >-->> >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->> >-->> >-->Project '96 XJ >-->> >-->> >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->> >-->> >-->From: "john" >-->> >-->> >-->To: "xj-list" >-->> >-->> >-->Cc: "full size jeep list" ; >-->; >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 12:54 AM >-->> >-->> >-->Subject: fsj: 4.0L symptom >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove >-->> >-->> >-->> up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, >-->> >-->> >-->> oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to >-->> >-->> >-->> the limit and then some... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load >-->> >-->> >-->> it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from >-->> >-->> >-->> idle all the way up, except under full throttle... >-->> >-->> >-->> then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening >-->> >-->> >-->> fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all >-->> >-->> >-->> the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new >-->> >-->> >-->> NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs >-->> >-->> >-->> up sweetly... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner >-->> >-->> >-->> and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with >-->> >-->> >-->> a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> At this point it's a toss up between just doing a >-->> >-->> >-->> shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could >-->> >-->> >-->> do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure >-->> >-->> >-->> it out. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, >-->> >-->> >-->> but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy >-->> >-->> >-->> timer thing on the '92? :) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> My close up vision in low light ain't very good. >-->> >-->> >-->> When I wore bifocals I could still see up close >-->> >-->> >-->> without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... >-->> >-->> >-->> now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a >-->> >-->> >-->> challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look >-->> >-->> >-->> ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... >-->> >-->> >-->> but I digress... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone >-->> >-->> >-->> have any suggestions, ideas? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> thanx, >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>-->>-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->---- >-->> >-->--- >-->> >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com >-->** >-->> >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, >-->they mold >-->> >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >-->> >-->** >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>-->>-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->---- >-->> >-->--- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> -- >-->> >-->> >-->> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >-->> >-->> >-->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> >-->> >-->> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: >-->4/29/05 >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->-- >-->> >-->> >-->Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >-->> >-->> >-->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> >-->> >-->Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: >-->4/29/05 >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->--- >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >-->** >-->> >-->>-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->--- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> -- >-->> >-->> No virus found in this incoming message. >-->> >-->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> >-->> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/05 >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->-- >-->> >-->No virus found in this outgoing message. >-->> >-->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> >-->Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/05 >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> -- >-->> No virus found in this incoming message. >-->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/05 >-->> >-->> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-- >-->No virus found in this outgoing message. >-->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/05 >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2082 *************************