From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 31 14:31:32 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, May 31 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2103 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: [db] don't look if you are a bit squeamish ;-) Re: RE: xj: Re: Wagoneer Video... xj: solid motor mounts Re: xj: solid motor mounts Re: xj: solid motor mounts Re: xj: solid motor mounts xj: Re: solid motor mounts XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] don't look if you are a bit squeamish ;-) On Mon, 30 May 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6154&item=4552440151&rd=1 >--> >-->bruuutal! >--> It looks pretty good to me... at least in concept... ;) (remember this sort of thing ALMOST happened here to a certain '77 300CD and an '83 GMC Jimmy with a 6.2L Diesel... instead the 6.2L idea ended up in my '83 J10. But wait, I still have the '83 Jimmy... ;) My '83 K15 is way wider than my 124 Benz, and it sure shows, look at how far the wheels stick out. You can't tell if they modified the front suspension or just welded a bunch of stuff to hold the benz up. However, I suppose this is a good use for a GAS Mercedes anyway. :) However, there are a number of weak spots in this design, besides the Chevy part: 1) 305 - some journalist refer to it as 3 oh why? 2) Turbo 350 - rather lightweight version of the TH400 3) Holley CARB??? yuck. 4) no title for the Benz, that could be an issue, must have come from NJ late at night maybe? ;) The driveline in this conversion is, shall we say, pathetic. There isn't a single component, except maybe the transfer case, which isn't mentioned, that is worthy of any 4x4. My '83 Jimmy popped a hub in the back yard moving my J10 trailer around. GM stuff is not exactly durable. The 3/4T GMC truck that got tagged by that TJ in a 20mph zone sure showed that to me. Anyway, if my '91 300D 2.5L Turbo Diesel ever gets wrecked or vandalized or otherwise totalled and the motor is still good I would like to put it into an XJ. :) But if the motor were to go away in the 124 I don't think I'd put the body onto a 4x4... seats aren't comfortable enough and Rube Goldberg was part of the design team for the climate control, door locks, windows, etc. etc. ;) One of the reasons I usually don't read the want ads or wander around unsupervised in wrecking yards is that I get too many ideas, and there is so little time, so little space. :) Someone needs to come to my house and rescue the '79 300SD, the '86 Cherokee Chief and the '92 Cherokee Sport and maybe the '83 GMC Jimmy before something strange and unusual happens there... :) 6.2L into the '79 300SD, the 3.0L into the '92 XJ... then the 4.0L into the '83 Jimmy???? no, just can't make it work... ;) FWIW, Here's some of the details from the overpriced ebay ad: (thankfully. ;) if this was priced around $1,500 or so and on the west coast this thing might find it's way on top of the aforementioned '83 GMC Jimmy 6.2L Diesel chassis... ;) later, john 1977 Chevrolet : Blazer Chevrolet Item number: 4552440151 Vehicle Description Here's your chance to own a one of a kind "Monster Mercedes" that I bet not everyone has.I have for auction a 87 Mercedes 260E on a 77 Chevy blazer drive train.The body is in good shape with a few small ding's.The interior is in good shape tan in color,The seats are manual adjustment,electric windows ,sunroof, power locks . The rear seat is from a 400E so it is bucket type seats with a wood roll top arm rest .I have the air bag disconnected but it can be plugged back if you prefer.The engine is a 305, 8 cylinder with a Holley 650 carb .vac .mod. manual choke,Dynomax headers custom dual 2 1/2 "exaust with Thrush mufflers and chrome tips.All of the suspention is stock 77 chevy.It has new 31x10.5 Liberator AT radial tires with less than 50 miles on them.I have a title for the blazer but not the Mercedes.Due to the fact that it is a custom built vehicle the actual mileage may be more or less than stated.There is no warranty on this vehicle.but I would drive it any where with confidence.The four wheel drive works fine,the transmission is a turbo 350. automatic.I had it tagged on street rod tags,drove it it a few times a month ,I have turned many heads with this truck,lots of smiles and thumbs up from other drivers.People stop in my drive way to ask questions.Every one wants to know ,how the? what the? I have never seen anything that looks like that in my life! Here's your chance to own a one of a kind vehicle whether you think its a truck or a car ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:39:14 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: RE: xj: Re: Wagoneer Video... on the oil pressure thing, check the inside of the oil filter, my '92 4.0L just did the same thing... collapsed cheap filter... pretty obvious. lifting the zj can be done with spacers pretty easily... after seeing the WK the ZJ is actually looking better to me. I've never been a fan of the ZJ's, but seeing where the jeep line is going I'm reconsidering... ;) I do like the WJ's though, they really have a nice look to them... of course the XJ is probably the best jeep ever built, especially with the 4.0L. john On Mon, 30 May 2005, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->My vehicle of choice was 86 nissan 4x4. $150 cash. >--> >-->I haven't posted in a long time, just lurk. I recently purchase my >-->fourth Jeep and plan to never be without again. I know it not an xj, but >-->I bought a 96 zj with 4.0 and select trac. Just recently I was driving >-->in Atlanta and when I cam to a stop the buzzer for check guages came on >-->and I look to see no oil pressure. I checked the oil, it was due for a >-->change, and it was low. I added and drove it home with it doing the same >-->every time I stopped. If I was off idle it would read about 20-25 psi >-->according to the guage. I change the oil and it was fine until Friday >-->it did the same thing. I have only driven it about 200 miles since I >-->changed the oil and I don't see any leaks or any in the filter box. The >-->Jeep has 143K on it, but appears to be well cared for. It runs fine with >-->no knocks or ticks. >--> >-->I have only driven it about 200 miles in the past 2 months due to >-->motorcycle season. Also if anyone has a lift they want to sell let me >-->know. >--> >-->Thanks, Allen >--> >-->>From: barbierij-at-optonline.net >-->>Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >-->>To: xj-at-digest.net >-->>Subject: Re: RE: xj: Re: Wagoneer Video... >-->>Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:37:48 -0400 >-->> >-->>"Goin' on an adventure" >-->> >-->>----- Original Message ----- >-->> >-->>From: Allen Zylstra >-->> >-->>Date: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:10 am >-->> >-->>Subject: RE: xj: Re: Wagoneer Video... >-->> >-->> > That brings back memories of college years. >-->> > >-->> > >From: john >-->> > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> > >To: John Pettit >-->> > >CC: full size jeep list , xj-list >-->> > , diesel-benz list , >-->> > WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com, ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net, >-->> > Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net >-->> > >Subject: xj: Re: Wagoneer Video... >-->> > >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:46:57 -0400 (EDT) >-->> > > >-->> > >Johnboy, >-->> > > >-->> > >I'm passing this along... this is a Jeepin' masterpiece dude! >-->> > > >-->> > >I love it! http://www.socialbug.com/lbl.swf >-->> > > >-->> > >BTW, you need to work with Moontanman Michael on setting up >-->> > >that Jeep Fest in NC! >-->> > > >-->> > >Outstanding production!!!! >-->> > > >-->> > >john meister >-->> > > >-->> > >---------------------------- >-->> > >On Tue, 17 May 2005, John Pettit wrote: >-->> > > >-->> > >Thanks! We had so much fun, but I'm thankful we didn't get really >-->> > hurt! I >-->> > >can't believe I jumped it. I think I actually sent you a still >-->> > of that >-->> > >before. >-->> > > >-->> > >My last "Land Barge" was stopped dead in its tracks by some matress >-->> > springs >-->> > >out in the woods that wrapped around the drive shaft. It went to the >-->> > junk >-->> > >yard - matress springs and all ;-) >-->> > > >-->> > >Feel free to pass that link around to anyone you think might like >-->it. >-->> > > >-->> > >John >-->> > > >-->> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "john" >-->> > >To: "John Pettit" >-->> > >Cc: "full size jeep list" >-->> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:34 PM >-->> > >Subject: Re: Wagoneer Video... >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > awesome! >-->> > > >-->> > > I think you'd like this video.... http://www.socialbug.com/lbl.swf >-->> > > >-->> > > I love it... the adventures of the land barge... >-->> > > >-->> > > I'm about 1/2 way through it... >-->> > > >-->> > > john >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > On Tue, 17 May 2005, John Pettit wrote: >-->> > > >-->> > > John, >-->> > > >-->> > > I think you'd like this video.... http://www.socialbug.com/lbl.swf >-->> > > >-->> > > Also, you'd probably like a lot of the other ones on the site as >-->> > > > well. They're all a bunch of videos that I made in college - >-->> > a lot >-->> > of >-->> > > > them were shown at "Campus Outreach" meetings - a Christian >-->> > organization >-->> > > > at Murray State University in Murray, KY. >-->> > > >-->> > > http://www.socialbug.com >-->> > > >-->> > > Take care! >-->> > > >-->> > > John Pettit >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > ---- >-->> > > >-->> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> > --------- >-->> > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> > > ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> > --------- >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > > ---- >-->> > > >-->> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->> > ------- >-->> > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> > > ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->> > ------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:32:34 -0400 From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: xj: solid motor mounts I am going outside on this beautiful day to spend another 5 hours underneath my cherokee. Hopefully less. I finally found the socket at Auto Zone about 30 miles away. I can't believe how incompetent some of these guys are. Well, most not some. Does anybody know where I can get a pair of solid motor mounts for my XJ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: solid motor mounts On Tue, 31 May 2005 barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: >-->I am going outside on this beautiful day to spend another 5 hours >-->underneath my cherokee. Hopefully less. I finally found the socket at >-->Auto Zone about 30 miles away. I can't believe how incompetent some of >-->these guys are. Well, most not some. >--> >-->Does anybody know where I can get a pair of solid motor mounts for my XJ? summit racing? why solid mounts??? WHAT are you doing to this thing??? :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:43:23 EDT From: XJGPN-at-aol.com Subject: Re: xj: solid motor mounts Solid as in no bushing at all? Why would you want that? The poly bushing mounts are very stiff... and solid motor mounts tend to lead to constant loose bolts all over the place. I don't think you really feel the extra vibration as much as it is just hard on a lot of equipment. Lots of guys make stiff poly bushing mounts. Rusty's/MORE/Currie all make them. In a message dated 5/31/2005 11:35:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barbierij-at-optonline.net writes: I am going outside on this beautiful day to spend another 5 hours underneath my cherokee. Hopefully less. I finally found the socket at Auto Zone about 30 miles away. I can't believe how incompetent some of these guys are. Well, most not some. Does anybody know where I can get a pair of solid motor mounts for my XJ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:51:45 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: solid motor mounts I have searched and searched but I cannot find any solid mounts. I would like solid mounts because we put them in my buddys 03 camaro ss and damn what a difference. Plus I like to feel that engine, but not in a sick way. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: Re: xj: solid motor mounts > On Tue, 31 May 2005 barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: > > >-->I am going outside on this beautiful day to spend another 5 hours > >-->underneath my cherokee. Hopefully less. I finally found the socket at > >-->Auto Zone about 30 miles away. I can't believe how incompetent some of > >-->these guys are. Well, most not some. > >--> > >-->Does anybody know where I can get a pair of solid motor mounts for my XJ? > > summit racing? why solid mounts??? > > WHAT are you doing to this thing??? :) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:27:26 EDT From: XJGPN-at-aol.com Subject: xj: Re: solid motor mounts There probably aren't any... there is no reason to get them... just get the stiff poly ones... All the advantages of the solid mounts, none of the disadvantages. Not to nitpick, but I also have a camaro... 2002 was the last year for them. The spohn or Madman solid motormounts really aren't the greatest idea... I know of a fast car that ended up ripping out the side of his block as a result of using them... granted the car had well over 1K HP.. but still... we actually have better options for our jeeps. The stiff poly motormounts are great. I have them and I love them. They don't transmit nearly as much vibration as one would think (same holds true for solid motor mounts). They do give just enough cushion though to prevent cracking the block or the chronic bolt loosening that happens on trucks with solid motor mounts. Use the Poly "bombproof" motormounts... you won't be sorry. In a message dated 5/31/2005 12:59:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barbierij-at-optonline.net writes: I have searched and searched but I cannot find any solid mounts. I would like solid mounts because we put them in my buddys 03 camaro ss and damn what a difference. Plus I like to feel that engine, but not in a sick way. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2103 *************************