xj-digest Monday, June 6 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2108 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. Re: xj: good and bad zj's? Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:09:53 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. Thanks, that is what I was thinking and hoping. I checked the oil and it was right at the line and the last two days it has been fine. I think I pick up a new sending unit on my way home today. Allen > From: ernest breakfield > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:21:13 -0700 > > 4.0, right? > sounds similar to the symptoms of a dying OP S/U in a 4.0. (i've been > through several; don't ask!) > > good news (if it is) is they're cheap and easy to replace; i've done mine > in less than 5 minutes in the parking lot. > > > cheers! > e > > > Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > I drove the ZJ the last couple of days. It started fine with the oil > > pressure was good, but the guage would bounce up and down. Then it > > dropped to about 20 and stayed. I started it again and it stayed at 20 > > psi while I drove for about 10 miles and was fine at idle another 10 > > miles it was back to dropping to 0 at idle. Today it was fine all the > > way to work whick it 22 miles. > > > > I am leaning toward a failing sending unit because the motor is at the > > full mark and makes no noise as far a bearings go. It did it with two > > different filters also. > > > > Maybe it time for the diesel. > > > > Thanks, Allen > > > > >From: "Jim Blair" > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:00:15 -0700 > > > > > >A: At least you can get an AW4 and swap the trans harness and computer > > with > > >that of a '93 GC. I've been trying to find a croe 42RE I can beef up > > with > > >518 internals, converter, front pump and hydraulic shift valve body > > (manual > > >switch for converter lockup) > > > > > > > > >From: "Allen Zylstra" > > >Subject: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > > > >I plan to use the 2" spacers because I don't want to spend alot of money > > and > > >I use it on the freeway. It is not for hardcore wheeling either. I > > just > > >want a set of 31" tires to make it look more agressive. I use the ZJ > > for > > >pulling my utility trailer and that is about it. > > > > > >The filter is a new FRAM from walmart. Same filter I use on all my > > rides. > > >Is is possible that the oil is the problem. I used 5W30. I was > > thinking > > >that maybe the sending unit was malfunctioning. It is good thing that I > > >have a fleet so that I another car to drive. > > > > > >My big plans are to put in a Cummins 4BT and a better trans. Probably > > never > > >happen, but I dream. > > > > > >The 42RE is the real weak link in the ZJ otherwise it is a great > > vehicle. I > > >wanted an XJ again, but it is just too small for my needs. > > > > > >I wish for more power so maybe some intake and exhaust mods will be done > > to > > >the 4.0L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:12:08 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: good and bad zj's? I like the 91 models. I was looking at a 92 before I bought the ZJ. I love my Zj except for the trans. If chrylser would have continued using the AW4 the Zj would have been an excellent product. Allen > From: "Aaron Storms" > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > To: > Subject: Re: xj: good and bad zj's? > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:22:30 -0600 > > Thanks to everyone for their help - Amber (another daughter I paid > to drive one way) and I just got home from Scotts Bluff, NE with the > "new" jeep cherokee - a 91 that's not pretty, but is sound at least. > Nine hour impromptu round trip - tired! Aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernest breakfield" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: xj: good and bad zj's? > >> congrats; sounds like you raised some daughters with good taste! ;-) >> now if only we could get Daimler to understand the 'Jeep >> Thing',... >> cheers! >> e >> >> >> Aaron Storms wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the input Ernest! Actually Brooke indicated that she >>> preferred >>> the somewhat boxy xj design over the plastic-clad zj style, so >>> guess she's >>> seen the light as well...:) If we do get another xj for her, it'll >>> be her >>> second as she helped me build one for her earlier while in HS, but >>> was sold >>> to help pay for college. Her two older sisters also drive xj's, so >>> we're >>> doing our part to let Jeep know what we all really want! We'll see >>> how this >>> all plays out and what jeep ends up being the best bang for the >>> buck. >>> Thanks, Aaron >>> >>> Aaron Storms, Publisher >>> Gilpin County News >>> PO Box 93 >>> Black Hawk, CO 80422 >>> 303.582.0133 >>> aaron.storms-at-mindspring.com >>> www.gilpincountynews.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "ernest breakfield" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: xj: good and bad zj's? >>> >>> > hi! >>> > >>> > as i understand it, ZJs only got the beloved 4.0/AW-4 combo >>> in the >>> > first >>> > *part* of their first year of manufacture. >>> > sadly, as you're already clueing in to, the ChryCo trannys >>> aren't >>> > nearly as >>> > good. >>> > >>> > i'd say if it's reliability you're interested in, hold out >>> for one > of >>> > those >>> > rare ZJs, or stick with the XJ... but keep in mind; unless it's >>> just >>> > breakdowns >>> > you're concerned with, is your young daughter really going to >>> be >>> > interested in >>> > keeping the same old-school design 4WD station wagon-type >>> vehicle for >>> > 200K+ >>> > miles anyway (like we might)? ;-) >>> > >>> > >>> > cheers! >>> > e >>> > >>> > >>> > Aaron Storms wrote: >>> > >>> >> I have been researching used '90-97 xj's and '93-96 zj's to >>> buy for my >>> >> youngest daughter Brooke, and have bid on a dozen or so >>> already. >> However, >>> >> I >>> >> have noticed a reoccurring theme among some of the zj ads - >>> problem >> with >>> >> tranny, or needs a new one, or it's already been replaced! I'm >>> >> assuming >>> >> that >>> >> with the years I can afford, there were some motors and >>> tranny's to >>> >> avoid? >>> >> We all know that the 4.0L 6-cyl is great, so I don't mind >>> going that >> way, >>> >> but when did they switch over from the good AW4 auto tranny to >>> the >>> >> chrysler >>> >> vs which I understand is not so good? Anyone with zj >>> experience here, >> or >>> >> am >>> >> I probably better off just sticking with xj's for Brooke? The >>> prices >> are >>> >> about the same by the way for comparable years, with the zj's >>> being a >>> >> little >>> >> more plush if you like that sort of thing. Thanks, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:15:09 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. I went on napa's website, but I only find a listing for a low oil sensor. Is this the correct part? It doesn't say anything about oil pressure. I think I should just replace it with a manual guage that I know works. Thanks again, Allen. > From: "Allen Zylstra" > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:09:53 -0500 > > Thanks, that is what I was thinking and hoping. I checked the oil and it > was right at the line and the last two days it has been fine. I think I > pick up a new sending unit on my way home today. Allen > > >From: ernest breakfield > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >To: xj-at-digest.net > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > >Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:21:13 -0700 > > > >4.0, right? > > sounds similar to the symptoms of a dying OP S/U in a 4.0. (i've > been > >through several; don't ask!) > > > > good news (if it is) is they're cheap and easy to replace; i've > done mine > >in less than 5 minutes in the parking lot. > > > > > >cheers! > >e > > > > > >Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > > > I drove the ZJ the last couple of days. It started fine with the oil > > > pressure was good, but the guage would bounce up and down. Then it > > > dropped to about 20 and stayed. I started it again and it stayed at > 20 > > > psi while I drove for about 10 miles and was fine at idle another 10 > > > miles it was back to dropping to 0 at idle. Today it was fine all > the > > > way to work whick it 22 miles. > > > > > > I am leaning toward a failing sending unit because the motor is at > the > > > full mark and makes no noise as far a bearings go. It did it with > two > > > different filters also. > > > > > > Maybe it time for the diesel. > > > > > > Thanks, Allen > > > > > > >From: "Jim Blair" > > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:00:15 -0700 > > > > > > > >A: At least you can get an AW4 and swap the trans harness and > computer > > > with > > > >that of a '93 GC. I've been trying to find a croe 42RE I can beef up > > > with > > > >518 internals, converter, front pump and hydraulic shift valve body > > > (manual > > > >switch for converter lockup) > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Allen Zylstra" > > > >Subject: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > > > > > >I plan to use the 2" spacers because I don't want to spend alot of > money > > > and > > > >I use it on the freeway. It is not for hardcore wheeling either. I > > > just > > > >want a set of 31" tires to make it look more agressive. I use the > ZJ > > > for > > > >pulling my utility trailer and that is about it. > > > > > > > >The filter is a new FRAM from walmart. Same filter I use on all my > > > rides. > > > >Is is possible that the oil is the problem. I used 5W30. I was > > > thinking > > > >that maybe the sending unit was malfunctioning. It is good thing > that I > > > >have a fleet so that I another car to drive. > > > > > > > >My big plans are to put in a Cummins 4BT and a better > trans. Probably > > > never > > > >happen, but I dream. > > > > > > > >The 42RE is the real weak link in the ZJ otherwise it is a great > > > vehicle. I > > > >wanted an XJ again, but it is just too small for my needs. > > > > > > > >I wish for more power so maybe some intake and exhaust mods will be > done > > > to > > > >the 4.0L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:13:51 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. don't know about NAPA,... hard to tell if that's the right part or not since that's not the right name for it. shouldn't be that hard to get the right part, and they're not very expensive; even if you have to (gasp!) go to the dealer for it,... sure easier than setting up a whole 'nuther gauge! ;-) cheers! e Allen Zylstra wrote: > I went on napa's website, but I only find a listing for a low oil > sensor. Is this the correct part? It doesn't say anything about oil > pressure. > > I think I should just replace it with a manual guage that I know works. > > Thanks again, Allen. > > >From: "Allen Zylstra" > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >To: xj-at-digest.net > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > >Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:09:53 -0500 > > > >Thanks, that is what I was thinking and hoping. I checked the oil and > it > >was right at the line and the last two days it has been fine. I think I > >pick up a new sending unit on my way home today. Allen > > > > >From: ernest breakfield > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > >To: xj-at-digest.net > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > >Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:21:13 -0700 > > > > > >4.0, right? > > > sounds similar to the symptoms of a dying OP S/U in a 4.0. (i've > >been > > >through several; don't ask!) > > > > > > good news (if it is) is they're cheap and easy to replace; i've > >done mine > > >in less than 5 minutes in the parking lot. > > > > > > > > >cheers! > > >e > > > > > > > > >Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > > > > > I drove the ZJ the last couple of days. It started fine with the > oil > > > > pressure was good, but the guage would bounce up and down. Then it > > > > dropped to about 20 and stayed. I started it again and it stayed > at > >20 > > > > psi while I drove for about 10 miles and was fine at idle another > 10 > > > > miles it was back to dropping to 0 at idle. Today it was fine all > >the > > > > way to work whick it 22 miles. > > > > > > > > I am leaning toward a failing sending unit because the motor is at > >the > > > > full mark and makes no noise as far a bearings go. It did it with > >two > > > > different filters also. > > > > > > > > Maybe it time for the diesel. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Allen > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Blair" > > > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:00:15 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >A: At least you can get an AW4 and swap the trans harness and > >computer > > > > with > > > > >that of a '93 GC. I've been trying to find a croe 42RE I can beef > up > > > > with > > > > >518 internals, converter, front pump and hydraulic shift valve > body > > > > (manual > > > > >switch for converter lockup) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Allen Zylstra" > > > > >Subject: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > > > > > > > >I plan to use the 2" spacers because I don't want to spend alot of > >money > > > > and > > > > >I use it on the freeway. It is not for hardcore wheeling > either. I > > > > just > > > > >want a set of 31" tires to make it look more agressive. I use the > >ZJ > > > > for > > > > >pulling my utility trailer and that is about it. > > > > > > > > > >The filter is a new FRAM from walmart. Same filter I use on all > my > > > > rides. > > > > >Is is possible that the oil is the problem. I used 5W30. I was > > > > thinking > > > > >that maybe the sending unit was malfunctioning. It is good thing > >that I > > > > >have a fleet so that I another car to drive. > > > > > > > > > >My big plans are to put in a Cummins 4BT and a better > >trans. Probably > > > > never > > > > >happen, but I dream. > > > > > > > > > >The 42RE is the real weak link in the ZJ otherwise it is a great > > > > vehicle. I > > > > >wanted an XJ again, but it is just too small for my needs. > > > > > > > > > >I wish for more power so maybe some intake and exhaust mods will > be > >done > > > > to > > > > >the 4.0L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:16:52 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. I had some problems finding sensors at napa. The local guys here said that only the dealership can provide those. It might be true but who knows. I always went to the stealer for any OEM electronics. Autozone might be a nice try. Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ernest breakfield" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > don't know about NAPA,... hard to tell if that's the right part or not since > that's not the right name for it. > > shouldn't be that hard to get the right part, and they're not very > expensive; even if you have to (gasp!) go to the dealer for it,... sure > easier than setting up a whole 'nuther gauge! ;-) > > > cheers! > e > > > Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > I went on napa's website, but I only find a listing for a low oil > > sensor. Is this the correct part? It doesn't say anything about oil > > pressure. > > > > I think I should just replace it with a manual guage that I know works. > > > > Thanks again, Allen. > > > > >From: "Allen Zylstra" > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > >To: xj-at-digest.net > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > >Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:09:53 -0500 > > > > > >Thanks, that is what I was thinking and hoping. I checked the oil and > > it > > >was right at the line and the last two days it has been fine. I think I > > >pick up a new sending unit on my way home today. Allen > > > > > > >From: ernest breakfield > > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > > >To: xj-at-digest.net > > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > >Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:21:13 -0700 > > > > > > > >4.0, right? > > > > sounds similar to the symptoms of a dying OP S/U in a 4.0. (i've > > >been > > > >through several; don't ask!) > > > > > > > > good news (if it is) is they're cheap and easy to replace; i've > > >done mine > > > >in less than 5 minutes in the parking lot. > > > > > > > > > > > >cheers! > > > >e > > > > > > > > > > > >Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > > > > > > > I drove the ZJ the last couple of days. It started fine with the > > oil > > > > > pressure was good, but the guage would bounce up and down. Then it > > > > > dropped to about 20 and stayed. I started it again and it stayed > > at > > >20 > > > > > psi while I drove for about 10 miles and was fine at idle another > > 10 > > > > > miles it was back to dropping to 0 at idle. Today it was fine all > > >the > > > > > way to work whick it 22 miles. > > > > > > > > > > I am leaning toward a failing sending unit because the motor is at > > >the > > > > > full mark and makes no noise as far a bearings go. It did it with > > >two > > > > > different filters also. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it time for the diesel. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Allen > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Blair" > > > > > >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Subject: Re: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > > > >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:00:15 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > >A: At least you can get an AW4 and swap the trans harness and > > >computer > > > > > with > > > > > >that of a '93 GC. I've been trying to find a croe 42RE I can beef > > up > > > > > with > > > > > >518 internals, converter, front pump and hydraulic shift valve > > body > > > > > (manual > > > > > >switch for converter lockup) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Allen Zylstra" > > > > > >Subject: xj: 96 ZJ oil pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > >I plan to use the 2" spacers because I don't want to spend alot of > > >money > > > > > and > > > > > >I use it on the freeway. It is not for hardcore wheeling > > either. I > > > > > just > > > > > >want a set of 31" tires to make it look more agressive. I use the > > >ZJ > > > > > for > > > > > >pulling my utility trailer and that is about it. > > > > > > > > > > > >The filter is a new FRAM from walmart. Same filter I use on all > > my > > > > > rides. > > > > > >Is is possible that the oil is the problem. I used 5W30. I was > > > > > thinking > > > > > >that maybe the sending unit was malfunctioning. It is good thing > > >that I > > > > > >have a fleet so that I another car to drive. > > > > > > > > > > > >My big plans are to put in a Cummins 4BT and a better > > >trans. Probably > > > > > never > > > > > >happen, but I dream. > > > > > > > > > > > >The 42RE is the real weak link in the ZJ otherwise it is a great > > > > > vehicle. I > > > > > >wanted an XJ again, but it is just too small for my needs. > > > > > > > > > > > >I wish for more power so maybe some intake and exhaust mods will > > be > > >done > > > > > to > > > > > >the 4.0L. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2108 *************************