xj-digest Friday, June 10 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2112 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: RE: '97 XJ dash/instrument cluster needed Re: xj: '97 XJ dash/instrument cluster needed Re: xj: XJ cooling Re: xj: The Big XJ Chill #2 Re: xj: The Big XJ Chill #2 XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:29:54 -0400 From: "Paul Wright" Subject: xj: RE: '97 XJ dash/instrument cluster needed i'm selling a complete 1998 XJ - i'll throw in the cluster for free :) Paul - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of scrambler1987-at-aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:26 AM To: xj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: xj: '97 XJ dash/instrument cluster needed I am looking for a dash/instrument cluster for a '97 XJ. Anyone have one? Thank you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:01:09 -0500 From: Subject: Re: xj: '97 XJ dash/instrument cluster needed What's wrong with yours? I'v had intermittent failure of all gauges as well as intermittent failure of just certain gauges and am thinking my problems may be in the gauge cluster itself. Jeff On Thu Jun 9 10:25 , scrambler1987-at-aol.com sent: >>I am looking for a dash/instrument cluster for a '97 XJ. Anyone have >>one? >> >>Thank you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:37:44 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: XJ cooling A: Either the belt is loose/old or the compressor is seizing/seized up. From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: XJ cooling it sounds like a fanbelt squeal. Pop the hood and look at the compressor. With the AC off, the center of the pulley for the AC compressor will be stationary. Turn the AC on and you should see the center of the AC compressor pulley spinning. If not, then your compressor is shot. If it is, but only intermittantly, then it could be a loose belt, or a bad compressor. If you have an r134a system, try putting in a shot of coolant with oil in the system and see if that allows the pulley to spin. If not, then seek professional help. Ed web/gadget guru ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:44:11 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: xj: The Big XJ Chill #2 Hi Marc / Admiral, I'd be curious to know what you find out about the Sanden clutches. I've been told by NAPA, Advance and Autodrone that they can't get clutches alone anymore. I found this out a couple of years ago it seems like to me... now they want $300 for a new compressor. Indeed to keep from looking totally stupid, I checked those websites just now and there is no part listed for clutch only. Just with the compressor. It was for that reason I decided to abandon patronage of Sanden earlier this spring when the wife's XJ needed major air work. I have purchased and have about half-installed a conversion to a York kit. So far so good, but the truck had to make a road trip (A/C or not) before I got it done so once it gets back next week, I can finish it. I'll include twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and a write up for John (or for anyone who is interested) to put up on a tech tips page. It has taken a little work to change it over but in the long run I am sure I'll be happier replacing the occasional York clutch (30 minutes in the carport) -at- $100 rather than an entire compressor (loss of vehicle for xx days, have to drop and run wife home, pickup wife, run back to shop, pick up truck, listen to wife complain entire time it is gone, AND put out about $300 for a new compressor, $$R12, $labor to pump down, $labor to pump up...probably a $500 trip to the shop on top of the aggrivation of it all...). You be the judge. The very idea that the poopheads quit selling clutches separately ticks me off and I don't think they deserve another dime of my money. Sounds too much like a "2-drink-minimum" to me. But for sure, to pump the system down and back up requires some specialty tools I don't have on hand anyway, so I have "a guy" to do that much. One of only about 5 people who've had their hands under her hood. Oh yeah, the new system will run Freeze12 (I think that is what my new A/C guy likes). Supposed to be a better refrigerant than R12 OR R134a... as well as cheaper, more ecofriendly, etc. Will report how the new system works soon... According to my A/C guy, no bigger than the XJ is, it ought to run you out of the truck. Even down here in Memphis?...I'll believe it when my moustache shows the little ice balls on the ends. LOL ...curious to see what you find out about the Sanden clutches... JeepNut Colucci B wrote: >> Greetings Marc! >> >> Replacing the clutch is supposed to be straight forward. Have I done >> it myself, NO. With the age of the truck, and the price of the R-12 >> it was worth it to me to pay the dealer to do it. >> >> Here is the process as I understand it, and you will see why it was >> worth paying to have it done. You have to remove the serpentine belt, >> then isolate, and remove the compressor. This can be done in a jeep >> thanks to the fill valves, but you may still loose a quantity of that >> precious R-12. So many techs with experience opt to unbolt the >> compressor bracket and tilt the compressor up for more access. This >> can be dangerous, since you are putting undo stress & strain on the >> A/C lines. I would not have a problem doing this with a new set of >> lines, but I am leery of trying it with 17 year old lines. One crack >> and all of that precious r-12 is gone, and you could seriously injure >> yourself from the discharge. Then there is the problem of your clutch >> attachment method. Some have a large center bolt that can be removed, >> and the clutch assembly slides off of the shaft. Others have a pin >> that must be removed, or several bolts that must be removed, and then >> the clutch unit has to be pulled with a wheel puller. Once again this >> means a lot of bouncing, and pulling stress on the refrigerant lines. >> If the dealer breaks one they buy, if you break one you cry. >> >> >> Until the next dimension, >> Admiral "Coluch." >> Starfleet Headquarters >> Ohio Post >> End Transmission................ >> - -- This mail subject to change without notice. Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. No substitutions allowed. - ---------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer '92 Cherokee Laredo '87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) '81 Wagoneer (parts) ...and they say there's only one... - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:31:14 -0400 From: Marc Subject: Re: xj: The Big XJ Chill #2 Well, it turns out that I don't need a clutch, yet. I did the electrical fix at the relay and that has fixed the problem. It was warn and humid today and I ran the AC for a total of about 2 hours without a problem. Marc Z. JeepNut wrote: >> Hi Marc / Admiral, >> I'd be curious to know what you find out about the Sanden clutches. >> I've been told by NAPA, Advance and Autodrone that they can't get >> clutches alone anymore. I found this out a couple of years ago it >> seems like to me... now they want $300 for a new compressor. >> Indeed to keep from looking totally stupid, I checked those websites >> just now and there is no part listed for clutch only. Just with the >> compressor. >> >> It was for that reason I decided to abandon patronage of Sanden >> earlier this spring when the wife's XJ needed major air work. >> I have purchased and have about half-installed a conversion to a >> York kit. So far so good, but the truck had to make a road trip (A/C >> or not) before I got it done so once it gets back next week, I can >> finish it. I'll include twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy >> pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each >> one and a write up for John (or for anyone who is interested) >> to put up on a tech tips page. It has taken a little work to change >> it over but in the long run I am sure I'll be happier replacing the >> occasional York clutch (30 minutes in the carport) -at- $100 rather than >> an entire compressor (loss of vehicle for xx days, have to drop and >> run wife home, pickup wife, run back to shop, pick up truck, listen to >> wife complain entire time it is gone, AND put out about $300 for a new >> compressor, $$R12, $labor to pump down, $labor to pump up...probably a >> $500 trip to the shop on top of the aggrivation of it all...). You be >> the judge. >> The very idea that the poopheads quit selling clutches separately >> ticks me off and I don't think they deserve another dime of my money. >> Sounds too much like a "2-drink-minimum" to me. But for sure, to pump >> the system down and back up requires some specialty tools I don't have >> on hand anyway, so I have "a guy" to do that much. One of only about >> 5 people who've had their hands under her hood. >> Oh yeah, the new system will run Freeze12 (I think that is what my >> new A/C guy likes). Supposed to be a better refrigerant than R12 OR >> R134a... as well as cheaper, more ecofriendly, etc. Will report how >> the new system works soon... According to my A/C guy, no bigger than >> the XJ is, it ought to run you out of the truck. Even down here in >> Memphis?...I'll believe it when my moustache shows the little ice >> balls on the ends. LOL >> ...curious to see what you find out about the Sanden clutches... >> >> JeepNut >> >> >> Colucci B wrote: >> > >>>> Greetings Marc! >>>> >>>> Replacing the clutch is supposed to be straight forward. Have I done >>>> it myself, NO. With the age of the truck, and the price of the R-12 >>>> it was worth it to me to pay the dealer to do it. >>>> >>>> Here is the process as I understand it, and you will see why it was >>>> worth paying to have it done. You have to remove the serpentine >>>> belt, then isolate, and remove the compressor. This can be done in a >>>> jeep thanks to the fill valves, but you may still loose a quantity of >>>> that precious R-12. So many techs with experience opt to unbolt the >>>> compressor bracket and tilt the compressor up for more access. This >>>> can be dangerous, since you are putting undo stress & strain on the >>>> A/C lines. I would not have a problem doing this with a new set of >>>> lines, but I am leery of trying it with 17 year old lines. One crack >>>> and all of that precious r-12 is gone, and you could seriously injure >>>> yourself from the discharge. Then there is the problem of your >>>> clutch attachment method. Some have a large center bolt that can be >>>> removed, and the clutch assembly slides off of the shaft. Others >>>> have a pin that must be removed, or several bolts that must be >>>> removed, and then the clutch unit has to be pulled with a wheel >>>> puller. Once again this means a lot of bouncing, and pulling stress >>>> on the refrigerant lines. If the dealer breaks one they buy, if you >>>> break one you cry. >>>> >>>> >>>> Until the next dimension, >>>> Admiral "Coluch." >>>> Starfleet Headquarters >>>> Ohio Post >>>> End Transmission................ ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2112 *************************