xj-digest Sunday, June 19 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2119 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: ignition control module Re: FW: Re: xj: Re: [db] diesels xj: SNORT4x4 forum - '85 V-8 2dr XJ, 44/9", 37 MT/Rs..... Re: xj: ignition control module Re: xj: ignition control module xj: today's adventures... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:26:36 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: ignition control module A: Nope! The '87 box won't work with the '91 and newer EFI system. All the sensors are different. Use the 89's computer to move the '87 (although more likely the CPS went south than the box) It's only 4 bolts and a plug to swap. The '96 up has a PCM or powertrain control module which does everything, including trans control. From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: xj: ignition control module The ignition control module in my '87 xj 4.0 has died. As many of us know, I am giving my '89 xj a newer '96 or '97 4.0 engine and complete setup. My question is if I buy an ignition for my '87 will it work with my newer engine? I only need to drive the '87 a couple feet uphill. The '87 lost it's rear driveshaft which was a blessing in disguise... and that is an absolute need for the SYE and I can finally give the rear end a couple more inches of lift. But that won't happen too soon. Anyway, I have seen some MSD ignitions on eBay going fairly inexpensive compared to what even the salvage yard gets for the stock one. And I might as well get something different than stock. I checked autozone.com and under the listing for ignition control module for the '96 engine, they state that it is not applicable. What gives? Jesse. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:36:09 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: FW: Re: xj: Re: [db] diesels ernest breakfield wrote: >> sadly, once again it would appear that a reporter doesn't know what they're writing >> about... there have been a number of cases similar to this reported, and each time >> i've seen it's turned out that the vehicle was actually using Veggie Oil as fuel, >> not BioDiesel. (it's obvious by the detail in the article that this particular case >> was the same; car was using a VO blend, not BD.) >>cheers! >> e >> There are a lot of clueless people out there... many of those leaning toward the liberal side of things seem to immediatlely equate any kind of Diesel with BioDiesel. They've finally seen the light of the benefit of compression ignition so I just agree with them and don't make a significant effort to explain the differences, but do offer to explain that: SVO - straight vegetable oil (go to Costco and buy 5 gallons. ;) WVO - waste vegetable oil dino Diesel - at the pump, from the ground and refinery bioDiesel - at the pump, from a processor the first two typically require heaters to keep from gelling. WVO of course requires filtering. SVO of course just needs heat in colder climes. BioDiesel has a higher gel point than Diesel. BioDiesel of course may be made from either SVO or WVO. But considering that I've burned chicken noodle soup before my wife will not permit me near the kitchen with such things... so being the clueless one in the kitchen I'm filtering my WVO and using it that way. ;) john >> dieseljohn-at-comcast.net wrote: >> >> > >>>>---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- >>>>From: Bob >>>>To: xj-at-digest.net >>>>Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] diesels >>>>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:31:34 +0000 >>>> >>>>John and all, >>>> >>>>Regarding biodiesel, you might find this amusing..... >>>> >>>>This article appeared in our local paper (here in CT) not too long ago. >>>> >>>>Car's alternative fuel said to attract bear >>>> >>>>WINSTED, Conn. -- A Winsted man believes the sweet smell of the >>>>vegetable oil he uses to fuel his car attracted the bear that damaged >>>>the vehicle white trying to get at the biodiesel. >>>> >>>>Larry Joy, a 53-year-old electrician, said the bear shattered a window >>>>on his 1981 Volkswagen Rabbit, tipped the plastic fuel tank on its side, >>>>and gnawed on car hoses about two weeks ago. He said the evidence >>>>included muddy paw prints around the broken window and a pool of cooking >>>>oil on the rear floorboards. >>>> >>>>''I knew what it was after," Joy told The Sunday Republican of >>>>Waterbury. ''I think it's cool that bears do whatever they want." >>>> >>>>Joy uses a combination of diesel and vegetable oil left over from >>>>restaurant fry vats to power his car. He says it gets 44 miles per >>>>gallon. >>>> >>>>The car needs to be started using regular diesel, because vegetable oil >>>>is too thick for the engine to handle. When a gauge indicates the engine >>>>coolant is at 90 degrees, it is warm enough to thin the biodiesel, and >>>>Joy can flip a switch to change fuel tanks. >>>> >>>>When the coolant hits about 150 degrees, Joy said, there is a sweet >>>>smell. >>>> >>>>''My neighbor said it smells like cheeseburgers," he said. >>>> >>>>The state Department of Environmental Protection told Joy he should >>>>discourage the bear from returning by using bad-tasting bait. The agency >>>>recommended the placement of a balloon filled with water and ammonia and >>>>covered in cooking oil on his car. >>>> >>>>Joy said he had no plans to get rid of the Volkswagen. ''I love this >>>>car," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:39:51 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: SNORT4x4 forum - '85 V-8 2dr XJ, 44/9", 37 MT/Rs..... http://www.snort4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22759 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:06:02 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: ignition control module Actually, the ignition control module is from the '89 originally. Oh well. Thank you. Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" To: Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: Re: xj: ignition control module >> A: Nope! The '87 box won't work with the '91 and newer EFI system. All the >> sensors are different. Use the 89's computer to move the '87 (although more >> likely the CPS went south than the box) It's only 4 bolts and a plug to >> swap. The '96 up has a PCM or powertrain control module which does >> everything, including trans control. >> >> >> From: "Jesse Barbieri" >> Subject: xj: ignition control module >> >> The ignition control module in my '87 xj 4.0 has died. As many of us know, >> I >> am giving my '89 xj a newer '96 or '97 4.0 engine and complete setup. My >> question is if I buy an ignition for my '87 will it work with my newer >> engine? >> I only need to drive the '87 a couple feet uphill. The '87 lost it's rear >> driveshaft which was a blessing in disguise... and that is an absolute need >> for the SYE and I can finally give the rear end a couple more inches of >> lift. >> But that won't happen too soon. Anyway, I have seen some MSD ignitions on >> eBay going fairly inexpensive compared to what even the salvage yard gets >> for >> the stock one. And I might as well get something different than stock. I >> checked autozone.com and under the listing for ignition control module for >> the >> '96 engine, they state that it is not applicable. What gives? >> >> Jesse. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:38:36 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: xj: ignition control module Jesse, I would think you could adapt just about any coil to work temporarily. They've got pretty much the same leads going to any coil... just rig up some connectors. There is a slight risk of an impedance mismatch where you would burn up a resistor or something, but if you're only doing this long enough to get it up the drive it's not likely to hurt anything, and if I understand correctly you're pulling that system out any way, right? john >> Actually, the ignition control module is from the '89 originally. Oh well. >> Thank you. >> >> Jesse. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Blair" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:26 PM >> Subject: Re: xj: ignition control module >> >> > >>> > A: Nope! The '87 box won't work with the '91 and newer EFI system. All the >>> > sensors are different. Use the 89's computer to move the '87 (although > >> more > >>> > likely the CPS went south than the box) It's only 4 bolts and a plug to >>> > swap. The '96 up has a PCM or powertrain control module which does >>> > everything, including trans control. >>> > >>> > >>> > From: "Jesse Barbieri" >>> > Subject: xj: ignition control module >>> > >>> > The ignition control module in my '87 xj 4.0 has died. As many of us > >> know, > >>> > I >>> > am giving my '89 xj a newer '96 or '97 4.0 engine and complete setup. My >>> > question is if I buy an ignition for my '87 will it work with my newer >>> > engine? >>> > I only need to drive the '87 a couple feet uphill. The '87 lost it's rear >>> > driveshaft which was a blessing in disguise... and that is an absolute > >> need > >>> > for the SYE and I can finally give the rear end a couple more inches of >>> > lift. >>> > But that won't happen too soon. Anyway, I have seen some MSD ignitions on >>> > eBay going fairly inexpensive compared to what even the salvage yard gets >>> > for >>> > the stock one. And I might as well get something different than stock. I >>> > checked autozone.com and under the listing for ignition control module for >>> > the >>> > '96 engine, they state that it is not applicable. What gives? >>> > >>> > Jesse. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:14:37 -0700 From: john meister Subject: xj: today's adventures... WJ: finally got the brakes bled... what a difference. used the split rear fold down back seat to bring home a covered swing for the garden... XJ's: ordered a driver's side seatbelt for the '86, almost ready to drive, think we might take it to the airport to pickup my daughter when she returns from china - hoping to swap injectors around on the '92 tomorrow. SJ's: moving parts around getting ready to expand carport, making room for superdawg, ended up getting stung by a wasp... DieselBenz - put the '79 300sd back up on craigslist at $1,200, would like it to go away to make room for the Jimmy... being out of town for a week and having my servers down complicates things a bit. ;) waiting to see if the J10 and Jimmy 6.2L setups with veggie oil will replace the '91 300d or not... the benz is such a nice car... but I'm not sure I can justify having the benz, the jimmy and the j10... and the wj... ;) Still need to order the 12v fuel transfer pump setup for the veggie oil. Thinking about the 12v Portable 10 GPM transfer pump from Northern Industrial, item 360-2519, it comes with hoses, etc., only $154.99. thoughts? The veggie oil is accumulating... have almost 100gals set aside now... need to filter it and start using it... the '83 Jimmy is getting a "new" tranny... Superdawg is getting worked on as well... I may try to filter 5 gallons of veggie oil and run it through the Benz again... last time one of the injector lines failed and then the return lines needed attention. :) ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2119 *************************