From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 18 22:54:48 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, July 19 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2135 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: a real saturday... xj: RE: a real saturday... Re: xj: RE: a real saturday... xj: Re: [db] Hello Gang! xj: revetec? xj: Re: RE: a real saturday... xj: Re: revetec? xj: Re: [db] a real saturday... xj: Re: [db] Audi American Le Mans XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:52:13 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: xj: Re: a real saturday... no, that's running great, it was another 4.0L that I cleaned the TPS... it's the '92 Cherokee Sport that probably needs it... nothing left to replace except the engine. ;) john Jim Blair wrote: > The 4 banger? > > > > throttle position sensor! > > thought I had taken care of it on this one, but I popped the hood and > realized, hey, it's in the back on this one... which one did I w > ork on??? :) > > john > > On Sun, 17 Jul 2005, Jim Blair wrote: > > >>-->Throttle position sensor can make them do this. Clogged hose to the MAP >>-->sensor as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:59:18 -0500 From: "Okiebinder" Subject: xj: RE: a real saturday... I would tend the think the stumble to be coming from plugs or wires, but you replaced them. You might want to double check that the wires are on in the right order. Could be a bad plug or wire. Would not think so but some thing are not built as good as the use to be. Some times its the easy things. Might also check your TPS. David - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:47 PM To: full size jeep list; xj-list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz list Subject: xj: a real saturday... finally, a real saturday... - -did some work on wagoneers.com this morning - -front brakes on a 124 (gasser model! friend from church) - -replaced injector o-ring on '92 xj 4.0l - still has a slight stumble at speed... has ALL new injectors, wires, plugs, map sensor, vacuum harness... runs great at full throttle, but at 45 and up in OD or drive with just a light touch on the throttle it stumbles... can't figure it out.. full throttle it's happy, but trying to drive at the speed limit with just a slight load it'll rattle your fillings... THOUGHTS? - -wash '86 xj and put for sale signs in it, drove it up to the store, going to drive it to church tomorrow and out to pick up tires for the 6.2L GMC... - -wash '92 xj - -wash and wax '99 wj - -wash and wax '91 300D and it's only 9:48PM! going to clean up and put stuff up on craigslist... (both xj's and other parts) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: a real saturday... thinking that the TPS is the problem... my '87 did something like this too... it's a relief when someone reminds you and you recall symptoms like this before... was really hoping the coil would fix it. At this point I'll have a good set of spares for a '92 4.0L. :) map sensor, wires, coil, injectors... :) problem is I've worked on so many rigs I forget what I've done to the one I'm working on... :) I just worked on a TPS not too long ago, thought I'd already done it.. guess I need to take better notes. :) or maybe just take notes... ;) john On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Okiebinder wrote: >-->I would tend the think the stumble to be coming from plugs or wires, but you >-->replaced them. You might want to double check that the wires are on in the >-->right order. Could be a bad plug or wire. Would not think so but some >-->thing are not built as good as the use to be. Some times its the easy >-->things. Might also check your TPS. >--> >-->David >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:47 PM >-->To: full size jeep list; xj-list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz >-->list >-->Subject: xj: a real saturday... >--> >--> >-->finally, a real saturday... >-->-did some work on wagoneers.com this morning >-->-front brakes on a 124 (gasser model! friend from church) >-->-replaced injector o-ring on '92 xj 4.0l - still >--> has a slight stumble at speed... has >--> ALL new injectors, wires, plugs, map sensor, >--> vacuum harness... runs great at full throttle, >--> but at 45 and up in OD or drive with just a light >--> touch on the throttle it stumbles... can't figure it out.. >--> full throttle it's happy, but trying to drive at the speed >--> limit with just a slight load it'll rattle your fillings... >--> THOUGHTS? >-->-wash '86 xj and put for sale signs in it, drove it up to the store, >--> going to drive it to church tomorrow and out to pick up tires >--> for the 6.2L GMC... >-->-wash '92 xj >-->-wash and wax '99 wj >-->-wash and wax '91 300D >--> >-->and it's only 9:48PM! >--> >-->going to clean up and put stuff up on craigslist... (both xj's and other >-->parts) >--> >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Hello Gang! A grease pit is nice, but if you can build a lift, it's much better. http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/GarageScenes-Jan93-XJ.jpg problem with grease pits is getting in and out... dropping xfr cases in them, the mess at the bottom... ground water... and of course the problem of smaller vehicles falling in if you misjudge the entry... also, you still have to lift a vehicle to take some parts off anyway, then where to you put the jack? :) Derick, I'll have to check this out one of these days. :) john On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->WOW! Very cool! And, yes, pictures are required ;) >-->Jim >-->> Well the last couple of weeks have been quite the blur, but I finally >-->have >-->> the 24x44 concrete pad prepared for my new garage (pictures forth coming >-->> when project is erected, no time right now). The height at the eave >-->will be >-->> 13.5 ft. With in six months a lift will be installed in the south west >-->> corner. >-->> I may never come out and just rent my home to cover property taxes.. ;) >-->> I never knew how much work it was to prep a site for a pour. There are >-->parts >-->> of my body aching I did not know where there before now. :-) >-->> All that is left is to assemble the thing and finish off the ends and >-->> drywall/insulate the inside. >-->> When this thing is done I will be ready to finish my other 190d that has >-->> been dormant for a couple years now. >-->> I also need to pull two engines and do some work on a car my sister >-->gave me. >-->> My beagles will indeed have a large dog house when the doggie door is >-->> installed. >-->> I am sore but excited I have been planning this for a few years now and it >-->> is awesome when a plan comes together! >-->> Thought I would share this with you all since my beagles only care about >-->> what I am eating at any given time! ;) >-->> Later >-->> Derick ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:57:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: revetec? jim blair sent me a link to this site... http://www.revetec.com/website/index.html kind of interesting, but I'm not sure I understand it completely... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:42:13 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: RE: a real saturday... I had a 'stumble' that turned out to be the pick up coil in the dist... (Found AFTER I rep. the CPS...! TWICE!!!!!!!!!!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Okiebinder" To: Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: xj: RE: a real saturday... >I would tend the think the stumble to be coming from plugs or wires, but >you > replaced them. You might want to double check that the wires are on in > the > right order. Could be a bad plug or wire. Would not think so but some > thing are not built as good as the use to be. Some times its the easy > things. Might also check your TPS. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 11:47 PM > To: full size jeep list; xj-list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz > list > Subject: xj: a real saturday... > > > finally, a real saturday... > -did some work on wagoneers.com this morning > -front brakes on a 124 (gasser model! friend from church) > -replaced injector o-ring on '92 xj 4.0l - still > has a slight stumble at speed... has > ALL new injectors, wires, plugs, map sensor, > vacuum harness... runs great at full throttle, > but at 45 and up in OD or drive with just a light > touch on the throttle it stumbles... can't figure it out.. > full throttle it's happy, but trying to drive at the speed > limit with just a slight load it'll rattle your fillings... > THOUGHTS? > -wash '86 xj and put for sale signs in it, drove it up to the store, > going to drive it to church tomorrow and out to pick up tires > for the 6.2L GMC... > -wash '92 xj > -wash and wax '99 wj > -wash and wax '91 300D > > and it's only 9:48PM! > > going to clean up and put stuff up on craigslist... (both xj's and other > parts) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:15:18 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: revetec? The driveshaft's connected to the cam centers. The pistons fire as usual. They don't show the heads at the ends... Pistons fire and pust the bearings that push the cams. Nifty design. Never get here! The Big boys won't allow it!!!! - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "diesel-benz list" ; "full size jeep list" ; "xj-list" Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: xj: revetec? > jim blair sent me a link to this site... > > http://www.revetec.com/website/index.html > > kind of interesting, but I'm not sure I understand it completely... > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] a real saturday... codes been tripped since I got it... had it read, pointed me to a map sensor situation. plugs told me three out of six holes rich... picking up a TPS on the way home... symptoms are the same as on my '87 when I towed that trailer curtis built. ;) tps was the problem. :) hey, what's another $60 at this point? ;) john On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, Kevin wrote: >-->On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 09:47:21PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> finally, a real saturday... >-->> -did some work on wagoneers.com this morning >-->> -front brakes on a 124 (gasser model! friend from church) >-->> -replaced injector o-ring on '92 xj 4.0l - still >-->> has a slight stumble at speed... has >-->> ALL new injectors, wires, plugs, map sensor, >-->> vacuum harness... runs great at full throttle, >-->> but at 45 and up in OD or drive with just a light >-->> touch on the throttle it stumbles... can't figure it out.. >-->> full throttle it's happy, but trying to drive at the speed >-->> limit with just a slight load it'll rattle your fillings... >-->> THOUGHTS? >--> >-->The MAP sensor failing was well known for blowing out pretty much every >-->other sensor under the hood. Can't remember if that has a throttle >-->position sensor that needs cleaning or something along those lines. >-->Also, a la Mercedes Benz, have you hit pretty much every electrical >-->connection under the hood with contact cleaner? Friend of mine usually >-->has to do this before smog test on his high mile cherokee. >--> >-->Does it trip a code when it stumbles? >--> >-->K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:53:12 -0700 From: john meister Subject: xj: Re: [db] Audi American Le Mans chuck wrote: > Diesels have a long history in motor racing. I heard a rumor that chuck is planning on entering a more modern Cummins into the Cannonball next year... problem is he's having trouble fitting it into his Jetta. I've suggested a 126 series 300SD, but we're not sure we'll be able to find suitable motor mounts... And there might be a problem fitting both turbos in as well... hmmm... I wonder if a Full Size Jeep might be a better platform... check it out: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/chucks-toy/the-cummins.jpg http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/chucks-toy/chuck-n-cummins.jpg :) john chuck goolsbee wrote: > At 3:00 PM -0700 7/18/05, Kevin wrote: > >> (as to the previous diesel comment though, audi ran a v10 diesel in >> lemans, >> but bailed early due to clutch problems. it's supposed to be back this >> year, >> haven't heard one way or the other yet. it should have no problems >> dominating >> a four or six hour race over here, though, as the clutch lasted just a >> bit >> longer than that). > > > Diesels have a long history in motor racing. > > This car: > > > ...apparently ran the Indy 500, without a pitstop. > > That photo was taken at the Amelia Island Concours in 2001. I'm not a > "car show" kind of guy, but the Amelia event is an astounding collection > of cars, presented very well. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2135 *************************