From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Aug 4 16:17:00 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Thursday, August 4 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2144 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plust a question Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plus another question Re: Re: xj: For sale 94 sport (h.o.) xj: Re: [db] Diesel: The Engine of the Future? (and a howdy from Tokyo) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:01:07 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plust a question A: Different motor/tcase config or different rear axle. D35 shafts are a bit longer than 8 1/4" and D44 shafts due to the shorter pinion. Cherokee 2 dr and 4 dr are slightly different as well. From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plust a question Good news! My terrible time turned into a real terrible time, and then into a great time! It all started when my sister came over here, and we looked at the jeep for a while. We tried and eventually succeeded at removing the four bolts out of the old rear yoke. Too bad the old yoke did not work when I realized again that one of the u-joint cap ears has broken off. So, I took my new U-bolt style yoke and tapped it onto the pinion and then used the nut to push it down further. Awesome, it went on! The last time I really used the '87, the rear driveshaft fell out and broke. So I went to the junk yard and got a new one. The new one is longer, but new I find that is a good thing. The old driveshaft had about 2.5" of yoke sticking out of the transfer case. This new driveshaft is long enough to have almost .5" of yoke sticking out of the transfer case. I noticed there are zero rear end vibrations now. I used to think that there weren't any before with my old driveshaft, but wow what a difference. Now my question is why is that driveshaft longer? It came out of an xj, pretty sure it was an '88. I even kept the slipyoke on the old drieshaft. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:38:42 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plus another question I am not sure if it had a dana. I took the pinion yoke with the driveshaft, and it was way too big to fit in my dana44. It very well could have been a 2dr, but I am almost certain it was a 4dr. I can always check when I go back there. I still need a couple items from the '99 xj that I took the engine from to put in my '89 xj. By the way, the '99 4.0 only has one fuel line to the fuel rail and my '89 4.0 had two lines...one sending and one returning. I have read that the '99 has the fuel regulator in the fuel pump assembly. So my question is should I take the fuel sending unit from the '99 xj or should I take the entire tank? The '89 xj is coming along well. I will put a writeup (I mean atleast the progress that I have made so far) on my site when I get a chance. I have a little thing about my '94 acura integra if anybody is interested. It is http://jessebarbieri.tripod.com but like any other site I have tried to make it doesn't have any pretty backgrounds. Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plust a question > A: Different motor/tcase config or different rear axle. D35 shafts are a bit > longer than 8 1/4" and D44 shafts due to the shorter pinion. Cherokee 2 dr > and 4 dr are slightly different as well. > > > From: "Jesse Barbieri" > Subject: Re: xj: terrible time (the real one) plust a question > > Good news! My terrible time turned into a real terrible time, and then into > a great time! It all started when my sister came over here, and we looked > at the jeep for a while. We tried and eventually succeeded at removing the > four bolts out of the old rear yoke. Too bad the old yoke did not work when > I realized again that one of the u-joint cap ears has broken off. So, I > took my new U-bolt style yoke and tapped it onto the pinion and then used > the nut to push it down further. Awesome, it went on! > > The last time I really used the '87, the rear driveshaft fell out and broke. > So I went to the junk yard and got a new one. The new one is longer, but > new I find that is a good thing. The old driveshaft had about 2.5" of yoke > sticking out of the transfer case. This new driveshaft is long enough to > have almost .5" of yoke sticking out of the transfer case. I noticed there > are zero rear end vibrations now. I used to think that there weren't any > before with my old driveshaft, but wow what a difference. > > Now my question is why is that driveshaft longer? It came out of an xj, > pretty sure it was an '88. I even kept the slipyoke on the old drieshaft. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:27:12 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: xj: For sale 94 sport (h.o.) Where is this red xj located and is it still for sale? > > From: "Jim Blair" > Date: 2005/08/02 Tue AM 02:26:49 EDT > To: > Subject: Re: xj: For sale 94 sport (h.o.) > > A: I have a buildable bottom end for $25 (In S Seattle) > > > > From: "C.D. \(Dale\) Watkins" > Subject: xj: For sale 94 sport (h.o.) > > I have got a 94 xj, with 157,000 miles on it. It's the 4.0 H.O. (sport). > We are presuming that the motor is dead, but it is possible that it is not. > Anyway, we are selling it. It is red, 4 door, cloth interior, the thing is > in excellent shape, other than the motor and the front end got banged up > when it was parked Anyway, my buddy was driving it up here from Kansas > about a year and a half ago, and he said that the motor started making some > weird noise. Wasn't sure if it was knocking, pinging, or an exhaust leak > for that matter. But he pulled it over, put it on a trailer and towed it up > here, put it in his yard, and there it has sat for the last year and a half. > He had to move, so towed it here to my house, and told me to sell it. So, > here it is, I am selling it. I was going to try to start it up and see what > was wrong with it, so I jumped it, and the battery was so dead that it would > barely even click. So I pulled it out, and that is as far as I have gotten > with it. He wants 750 bucks for it, just come and get it out of the front > of my house. Let me know if anyone is interested, will post pics if you > want. > > Dale > ninjaplumber-at-msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Diesel: The Engine of the Future? (and a howdy from Tokyo) excellent article (below), and something us Diesel drivers know all about. :) thanx chuck! (Passing this along to a few friends) It's interesting to note that the 320CDI outperforms it's gas counterpart! I can hardly wait to get back to the states to drive one of my Diesels... have been using sandal power this week here in Tokyo. Hot and muggy. Mid 80's (temp on the TV says 36C) Walked about 4 miles last night. One of the developers from the team and I took the subway to another area and walked back. I took about 200 pictures... :) It's Friday morning, my server support work (Solaris and Linux) is complete and I'm going to find out if the full size Jeep Cherokee still exists 30 minutes from here. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/japanese-cherokee/ If it doesn't I'll be working on pictures of Tokyo and placing them at: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/Tokyo-2005/ If it is still there I'll be off on a short adventure, otherwise I'll probably be working on my servers in Seattle on line. :) Have been watching for Mercedes Diesels, haven't seen any. Have seen a couple WJs (photographed one from my room on the 31st floor of the Keio Plaza Hotel). Seen two or three XJ (Cherokees). Not seen any Full Size Jeeps (SJ model) at all... yet... will call the shop in Nakagawara when they open at 10am, still 2 hrs away... Have seen two TJs, a few of the big Buick station wagons, a few Chevy Astro type vans, a few Navigators, a Hummer2, a few Cadillacs and a whole lot of really small compact cars and trucks that look pretty cool. Oh yeah, one of the conference attendees pointed at that the hotel west of ours and few blocks down was the one in the movie lost in translation, which, btw, is a real yawner... wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy... btw, anyone want to buy a slightly used DVD? It's only been viewed one time... ;) Hope all is well with you, and now, our feature presentation, the Engine of the Future... :) john meister live from Tokyo - Friday 8am (4pm Thursday Seattle time. :) - ----------------------------------------- On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: Editorial of this month's "Winding Road" magazine: http://www.windingroad.com/ (A great magazine BTW... I love it.) The Engine of the Future? I recently had the opportunity to drive eight sports cars in the 400- to 600-hp range, in many cases over quite long distances. I noticed during hundreds of miles, both behind the wheel and riding shotgun observing other journalists, that the upper limits of the rev range are almost never used in these cars. Of course, that's partially because, for most of these cars, second gear at redline will get you way above a U.S. speed limit. I think there is a deeper significance to this observation, though. Without fail, my colleagues and fellow members of the motoring press would jump out of each of these cars and make some witty remark about the joys of high-powered sports cars, but when we say things like this, we're literally wrong. We love these cars because you can get into the throttle at 2800 rpm and find a tremendous shove in the back as you wind out to 5000 rpm or so. These cars feel relatively relaxed, and you can do this all day long without losing your license. With peak power at 7500 or 8500 rpm, the horsepower spec isn't really the key to our fondness for the way these cars accelerate. We love these cars on the street because they have great mid-range punch. I also had a chance to drive our test Jetta TDI while it was floating around WR World Headquarters. Reflecting on my experience with today's supercars, I began to wonder why I liked the Jetta so much despite its meager 100 hp. It dawned on me that the Jetta had decent mid-range, part-throttle acceleration. No, it isn't really that strong, but the Jetta does a little of what supercars do. It just gets there in a very different way. After some investigation, I think I can safely say that most diesels are really good mid-range engines. Consider the estimated torque figures at 3000 rpm for high-performance gasoline engines: Ferrari F430 275 lb-ft BMW M5 (V-10) 305 lb-ft Porsche Carrera S 250 lb-ft Now consider the torque numbers of a few diesels: Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI 350 lb-ft Mercedes-Benz SL400 CDI 500 lb-ft BMW 535d 375 lb-ft Note that the diesels make a lot more torque, but are available in cars at more affordable prices. Consider, then, that these diesel engines will get in the range of 50-percent better gas mileage, all while delivering substantially lower carbon dioxide emissions (about 20-percent lower). Carbon dioxide is the greenhouse gas associated with global warming. While carbon dioxide is unregulated in the United States, concern about global warming, along with the torque advantages of diesels as shown above, have to make you think that diesels might be the performance engine of the future. Yes, the performance engine. Diesels have gotten a rather bad rap for emissions, which mostly stems from a lack of current information. In fact, diesels have several inherent emissions advantages over gasoline engines, including lower hydrocarbon and lower carbon monoxide emissions, to add to their carbon dioxide advantage. There is work to be done on emissions of nitrous oxide and particulates, where diesels have disadvantages. But Europe is making a bet that diesels are the green way to go, and these problems will almost certainly be solved. Given this, the general view is that Americans won't accept diesels because of bad memories about noisy, smoky diesels of the past. I find this view a bit insulting, not to mention logically flawed. It is a bit like saying, circa 1980, that Americans won't accept personal computers because of bad memories about the size and heat generated by mainframes. Americans, as much as any other group, have shown great flexibility in adopting new technologies when those technologies deliver real value. But if all the interesting diesel engines stay in Europe, and if manufacturers bury their dullest diesels in mundane cars, then, sure, Americans will stay away (actually, they'll be over at the Toyota/Lexus store buying hybrid SUVs). Mercedes has shown that it might be willing to break the mold on this one, with the announcement of the SLK320 CDI and the SL400 CDI. That is to say, diesel sports cars. That's a future I can sign up for. Bill Campbell Editor, Winding Road editor-at-windingroad.com Thoughts? - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) arlington, wa, usa ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2144 *************************