From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 27 14:52:46 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, September 27 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2173 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: report card in! - oil analysis back... xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... Re: xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... Re: xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... Re: xj: 4.0L question xj: Re: Re: Mercedes diesel in a jeep xj: what kind of lift? Re: xj: what kind of lift? RE: xj: what kind of lift? RE: xj: what kind of lift? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: report card in! - oil analysis back... I've been driving my '91 300d a lot of miles, commuting 28 miles one way every day... (30mpg) and have been so busy I kind of spaced the concept of an oil change... so 13 months into the current usuage I drained and replaced... had 17,482 miles on the amsoil synthethic 0w30 series 3000 Diesel oil... I've been kind of dreading the oil analysis report figuring I'd get chewed out by the lab. (They've actually called me and told me to change my oil immediately once when I had an injector fail and didn't know about it!) Anyway, I open up the report, and it's almost all A's all the way across, only two B's. And this without even doing the recommended filter change at 6 months. The suggested range for the synthetic Diesel oil is about 15,000 miles, and then using analysis after that. I usually never go this far, sometimes about 2x the recommended factory interval. (the factory interval on dino oil is a guarantee of a rebuild) I'm running the 15w40 Marine Grade Synthetic Diesel oil now, but will switch back to the series 3000 0w30 in about 10,000 miles. The main reason for going to the slightly more expensive Synthethic is the fuel ecomony... I was getting over 30mpg and almost 31 most of the time... now it's dropped to right at 30mpg or just a smidgen below. One thing that did show up on the analysis was a slight indication of potassium... I'm thinking that running veggie oil might have had something to do with that, hard to say... need to do more research. Not having to change the oil but once a year is a nice option, and it's really comforting to know that the oil analysis supports it. I may scan the report in and put it on my website. FWIW, the oil analysis costs about $10, or it might have gone up to $15 recently, not sure. But the reports can tell you a lot about your engine no matter what kind of oil you're running. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:19:08 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... Where do you get this analysis done? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "diesel-benz list" ; "full size jeep list" ; "xj-list" ; Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: xj: report card in! - oil analysis back... > I've been driving my '91 300d a lot of miles, commuting 28 miles one > way every day... (30mpg) and have been so busy I kind of spaced the > concept of an oil change... so 13 months into the current usuage > I drained and replaced... had 17,482 miles on the amsoil synthethic > 0w30 series 3000 Diesel oil... > > I've been kind of dreading the oil analysis report figuring I'd get > chewed out by the lab. (They've actually called me and told me to > change my oil immediately once when I had an injector fail and didn't > know about it!) > > Anyway, I open up the report, and it's almost all A's all the way > across, only two B's. And this without even doing the recommended > filter change at 6 months. > > The suggested range for the synthetic Diesel oil is about 15,000 miles, > and then using analysis after that. I usually never go this far, sometimes > about 2x the recommended factory interval. (the factory interval on > dino oil is a guarantee of a rebuild) > > I'm running the 15w40 Marine Grade Synthetic Diesel oil now, but will > switch back to the series 3000 0w30 in about 10,000 miles. > > The main reason for going to the slightly more expensive Synthethic > is the fuel ecomony... I was getting over 30mpg and almost 31 most > of the time... now it's dropped to right at 30mpg or just a smidgen > below. > > One thing that did show up on the analysis was a slight indication of > potassium... I'm thinking that running veggie oil might have had something > to do with that, hard to say... need to do more research. > > Not having to change the oil but once a year is a nice option, and it's > really comforting to know that the oil analysis supports it. I may > scan the report in and put it on my website. FWIW, the oil analysis costs > about $10, or it might have gone up to $15 recently, not sure. But the > reports can tell you a lot about your engine no matter what kind of oil > you're running. > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Jesse Barbieri wrote: >-->Where do you get this analysis done? the lab is in Spokane, WA: http://www.oillab.com just looked at their site, $21.95 for the sample!!! I bought this kit about 12 years ago at $10 each... :) john >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: "diesel-benz list" ; "full size jeep list" >-->; "xj-list" ; >-->Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:18 PM >-->Subject: xj: report card in! - oil analysis back... >--> >--> >-->> I've been driving my '91 300d a lot of miles, commuting 28 miles one >-->> way every day... (30mpg) and have been so busy I kind of spaced the >-->> concept of an oil change... so 13 months into the current usuage >-->> I drained and replaced... had 17,482 miles on the amsoil synthethic >-->> 0w30 series 3000 Diesel oil... >-->> >-->> I've been kind of dreading the oil analysis report figuring I'd get >-->> chewed out by the lab. (They've actually called me and told me to >-->> change my oil immediately once when I had an injector fail and didn't >-->> know about it!) >-->> >-->> Anyway, I open up the report, and it's almost all A's all the way >-->> across, only two B's. And this without even doing the recommended >-->> filter change at 6 months. >-->> >-->> The suggested range for the synthetic Diesel oil is about 15,000 miles, >-->> and then using analysis after that. I usually never go this far, >-->sometimes >-->> about 2x the recommended factory interval. (the factory interval on >-->> dino oil is a guarantee of a rebuild) >-->> >-->> I'm running the 15w40 Marine Grade Synthetic Diesel oil now, but will >-->> switch back to the series 3000 0w30 in about 10,000 miles. >-->> >-->> The main reason for going to the slightly more expensive Synthethic >-->> is the fuel ecomony... I was getting over 30mpg and almost 31 most >-->> of the time... now it's dropped to right at 30mpg or just a smidgen >-->> below. >-->> >-->> One thing that did show up on the analysis was a slight indication of >-->> potassium... I'm thinking that running veggie oil might have had >-->something >-->> to do with that, hard to say... need to do more research. >-->> >-->> Not having to change the oil but once a year is a nice option, and it's >-->> really comforting to know that the oil analysis supports it. I may >-->> scan the report in and put it on my website. FWIW, the oil analysis costs >-->> about $10, or it might have gone up to $15 recently, not sure. But the >-->> reports can tell you a lot about your engine no matter what kind of oil >-->> you're running. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:37:03 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... Awesome. I might have to give them a try once I get my '89 xj finished. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: "full size jeep list" ; "diesel-benz list" ; Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: xj: Re: report card in! - oil analysis back... > On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Jesse Barbieri wrote: > > >-->Where do you get this analysis done? > > the lab is in Spokane, WA: > > http://www.oillab.com > > just looked at their site, $21.95 for the sample!!! > > I bought this kit about 12 years ago at $10 each... :) > > john > > >-->----- Original Message ----- > >-->From: "john" > >-->To: "diesel-benz list" ; "full size jeep list" > >-->; "xj-list" ; > >-->Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:18 PM > >-->Subject: xj: report card in! - oil analysis back... > >--> > >--> > >-->> I've been driving my '91 300d a lot of miles, commuting 28 miles one > >-->> way every day... (30mpg) and have been so busy I kind of spaced the > >-->> concept of an oil change... so 13 months into the current usuage > >-->> I drained and replaced... had 17,482 miles on the amsoil synthethic > >-->> 0w30 series 3000 Diesel oil... > >-->> > >-->> I've been kind of dreading the oil analysis report figuring I'd get > >-->> chewed out by the lab. (They've actually called me and told me to > >-->> change my oil immediately once when I had an injector fail and didn't > >-->> know about it!) > >-->> > >-->> Anyway, I open up the report, and it's almost all A's all the way > >-->> across, only two B's. And this without even doing the recommended > >-->> filter change at 6 months. > >-->> > >-->> The suggested range for the synthetic Diesel oil is about 15,000 miles, > >-->> and then using analysis after that. I usually never go this far, > >-->sometimes > >-->> about 2x the recommended factory interval. (the factory interval on > >-->> dino oil is a guarantee of a rebuild) > >-->> > >-->> I'm running the 15w40 Marine Grade Synthetic Diesel oil now, but will > >-->> switch back to the series 3000 0w30 in about 10,000 miles. > >-->> > >-->> The main reason for going to the slightly more expensive Synthethic > >-->> is the fuel ecomony... I was getting over 30mpg and almost 31 most > >-->> of the time... now it's dropped to right at 30mpg or just a smidgen > >-->> below. > >-->> > >-->> One thing that did show up on the analysis was a slight indication of > >-->> potassium... I'm thinking that running veggie oil might have had > >-->something > >-->> to do with that, hard to say... need to do more research. > >-->> > >-->> Not having to change the oil but once a year is a nice option, and it's > >-->> really comforting to know that the oil analysis supports it. I may > >-->> scan the report in and put it on my website. FWIW, the oil analysis costs > >-->> about $10, or it might have gone up to $15 recently, not sure. But the > >-->> reports can tell you a lot about your engine no matter what kind of oil > >-->> you're running. > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:58 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L question A: I would see if the one with 2 low cyls was a blown head gasket. If so, then have the head shaved from the one with bad piston to put on that one. From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L question On Sun, 25 Sep 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->A: I would yank the head from the '92, have it redone and tested and put >it >-->on the '96 block with all the '92 plumbing. It'll live quite happily >that >-->way. (I put a '91 head on my '88 Comanche with perkier 4.0L results) having the head done on either engine won't do much... the '92 has bad rings in #6 and the '96 has two low cylinders, worn rings suspected but not confirmed yet. john >--> >-->'92 4.0L specs: 3.88x3.41 242cuin 8.8:1 190hp-at-4750rpm torque >225ftlbs-at-4000 >-->'96 4.0L specs: 3.88x3.41 242cuin 9.2:1 190hp-at-4600rpm torque >225ftlbs-at-3000 >--> >-->thanx, >-->john >--> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:58:00 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: Re: Re: Mercedes diesel in a jeep A: I have 2 days off and after I get the yard cleaned, I hope to get the '93 ZJ 4.0L and AW4 into my '84 J10. (I have to fix my '90 E350 too. The dist roll pin sheared and left me on the side of highway 167 saturday night) From: john Subject: xj: Re: Mercedes diesel in a jeep On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Mark McCoy wrote: >-->Hello, I noticed that you own jeeps and mercedes, as well as other >diesels. Have you ever put a 5 or 6 cyl diesel from a mercedes into a CJ-7 >or other vehicle? I'm considering this because I think that the 4 cyl VW >diesels are under powered for a CJ and a 6.2 GM is too heavy for a CJ >frame. I would appreciate any advice you could give me. >-->Thanks, Mark great minds think alike. :) I'm currently putting a 6.2L into my '83 J10 stepside... I would think it might be ok in a CJ, they're stout... I've heard of 5.7's in them before. a 3.0L TD from an early to mid '80s 123/126 series would probably be ok in a CJ, although they are pretty heavy... A CJ weighs in at what, close to 4,000lbs, right? I think the Benz Diesel would work in an XJ, they're lighter than a CJ. One of the guys down in New Orleans had built an MJ (xj pickup) with a Benz 3.0L, he loved it, but had issues with the oil pan and axle/steering... might not be as big of an issue on the cj as you could use a body lift/spring lift with some liberty to clear. The real hangup is how to get a transfer case to mate up... :) a divorced case or a custom shaft to mate xfr case and transmission (from the Mercedes) might work... or mating a tranny to the Benz engine... either way, that's going to be the hard part. I may have access to an engineless XJ... maybe... (It would have to be a prior 4.0L setup to fit the 3.0L I-5, my '86 xj is two inches too short to fit one). A buddy of mine just bought my '92 xj with a 4.0 to put the engine into his CJ7. I was going to use the 4.0L in my J10. I like the 4.0L but Diesel is way better. :) john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:13:35 EDT From: HSurfer21-at-aol.com Subject: xj: what kind of lift? What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee would u recommend for a kid with a tight budget? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? spacers in the front and add-a-leaf's in the rear (blocks in the rear are cheaper but can cause spring wrap) typically you can get almost 2" before having to change shocks out... john On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 HSurfer21-at-aol.com wrote: >-->What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee would u recommend for a kid >-->with a tight budget? ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:31:51 +0100 From: "Vincent Bentley" Subject: RE: xj: what kind of lift? Don't go bigger than 30" tyres and remember to relocate your brake hose brackets or buy longer brake hoses. - -Vince- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: 27 September 2005 22:29 To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? spacers in the front and add-a-leaf's in the rear (blocks in the rear are cheaper but can cause spring wrap) typically you can get almost 2" before having to change shocks out... john On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 HSurfer21-at-aol.com wrote: >-->What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee would u recommend for >-->a kid with a tight budget? ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: what kind of lift? up to 2" you're ok not extending brake lines... or at least I've never had problems... :) agree with you on 30" tires unless you regear or add more lift. john On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Vincent Bentley wrote: >-->Don't go bigger than 30" tyres and remember to relocate your brake hose >-->brackets or buy longer brake hoses. >--> >-->-Vince- >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: 27 September 2005 22:29 >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? >--> >-->spacers in the front and add-a-leaf's in the rear >--> (blocks in the rear are cheaper but can cause spring wrap) >--> >-->typically you can get almost 2" before having to change shocks out... >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 HSurfer21-at-aol.com wrote: >-->>-->What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee would u recommend for >-->>-->a kid with a tight budget? >--> >--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2173 *************************