From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 27 22:49:07 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, September 28 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2174 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: what kind of lift? Re: xj: what kind of lift? xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? Re: xj: what kind of lift? RE: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? RE: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? Re: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? Hmmm, but didn't Jeep go coil spring on all 4 corners in '99? I'ld spend some quality time on Rusty's Offroad website before you make your decision: http://rustysoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=rustys&Product_Code=wj-25&Category_Code=wj_kits Ed web/gadget guru - --- john wrote: > spacers in the front and add-a-leaf's in the rear > (blocks in the rear are cheaper but can cause > spring wrap) > > typically you can get almost 2" before having to > change shocks out... > > john > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 HSurfer21-at-aol.com wrote: > >-->What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee > would u recommend for a kid > >-->with a tight budget? > > > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:03:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? nope, not on the XJ. coils front, leaf rear... (I could be wrong, it's happened before... ;) >-->Hmmm, but didn't Jeep go coil spring on all 4 corners the ZJ did it, the WJ did, the WK isn't a jeep. john On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Hmmm, but didn't Jeep go coil spring on all 4 corners >-->in '99? >-->I'ld spend some quality time on Rusty's Offroad >-->website before you make your decision: >-->http://rustysoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=rustys&Product_Code=wj-25&Category_Code=wj_kits >--> >-->Ed >-->web/gadget guru >--> >-->--- john wrote: >--> >-->> spacers in the front and add-a-leaf's in the rear >-->> (blocks in the rear are cheaper but can cause >-->> spring wrap) >-->> >-->> typically you can get almost 2" before having to >-->> change shocks out... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 HSurfer21-at-aol.com wrote: >-->> >-->What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee >-->> would u recommend for a kid >-->> >-->with a tight budget? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** >-->> http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't >-->> rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> >--> >-->"I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." >--> --Holiday Inn Commercial >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >-->http://mail.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "ernest breakfield" Subject: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? best answer? none. (sorry!) later model (post '97 or so) XJs are notorious for developing debilitating vibes after even minimal (or *no*) lift that can only be addressed by methods that don't apply to anyone "on a budget". if you're going to be doing a lift on a late XJ, you need to be prepared to deal with the likelihood of vibes, and to do that properly requires a fixed-output short tailcone housing conversion for the T'Case and a double-cardan driveshaft; that alone costs more than any cheap lift. i have to ask; why are you lifting it? (not trying to be a smart-a**, but) if it's better trail performance you're after, you're better off with just Anti-Sway Bar disconnects and trimming the fenders (if necessary to fit better/larger tires and not doing any lift at all. that'll get you remarkable axle articulation and the better axle and tire clearance you need without as much of a compromised (raised) Center of Gravity, and zero risk of requiring driveline modifications. good 30" tires are do-able with minimal trimming, and with anti-sway bar discos (or completely removed bars) will get you more places than a lift with cheap tires. (be aware that you won't be able to fit anything larger than a 30" spare in the stock location anyway, and you *always* want to have a matching spare. the only place to put it that won't screw with your Coefficient of Drag and/or CG or your storage space is a rear bumper mount, and that's out of the "on a budget" range again.) my advice? get some anti-sway bar disconnects for the front, ditch the rear A-S Bar (if you have one), get the best *5* tires you can on it (235/75-15s will usually fit with little or no trimming), and have fun with it while you save the rest of the money you're going to need to do the next step properly. many people (especially non-XJ owners!) will be amazed at what an XJ can do with just decent tires and the axles freed to be able to fully articulate. if you're trying to lift it for just looks... i can't help you. ;-P cheers! e '94 XJ OME, TeraFlex, MT/Rs, JB Conversions, blah blah... > What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee would u recommend for a kid > with a tight budget? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:40:23 -0400 From: "Jesse Barbieri" Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? I would check this one out http://www.rocky-road.com/xjbudget.html I have done business with them in the past and I have to say that they are some of the nicest people to meet. Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: xj: what kind of lift? > nope, not on the XJ. coils front, leaf rear... (I could > be wrong, it's happened before... ;) > > >-->Hmmm, but didn't Jeep go coil spring on all 4 corners > > the ZJ did it, the WJ did, the WK isn't a jeep. > > john > > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Ed Kummel wrote: > > >-->Hmmm, but didn't Jeep go coil spring on all 4 corners > >-->in '99? > >-->I'ld spend some quality time on Rusty's Offroad > >-->website before you make your decision: > >-->http://rustysoffroad.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=r ustys&Product_Code=wj-25&Category_Code=wj_kits > >--> > >-->Ed > >-->web/gadget guru > >--> > >-->--- john wrote: > >--> > >-->> spacers in the front and add-a-leaf's in the rear > >-->> (blocks in the rear are cheaper but can cause > >-->> spring wrap) > >-->> > >-->> typically you can get almost 2" before having to > >-->> change shocks out... > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 HSurfer21-at-aol.com wrote: > >-->> >-->What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee > >-->> would u recommend for a kid > >-->> >-->with a tight budget? > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > >-->> http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > >-->> rust, they mold > >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** > >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > >-->> > >--> > >--> > >-->"I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." > >--> --Holiday Inn Commercial > >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >-->http://mail.yahoo.com > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:15:40 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: RE: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? I would have to agree with no lift if you are on a budget. Both my XJs didn't have a lift, but had good tires and could go more places than any blazer or explorer. I would take his advice and go for the tires and swaybar disconnects first and then save for a good lift and and everything to do it properly. You will be happier with a good lift than a cheap lift and problems in the long run. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ernest breakfield" Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net CC: xj-at-digest.net, markandcarri-at-rogers.com, fsj-at-digest.net, diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:36:43 -0700 (PDT) >best answer? none. (sorry!) > > later model (post '97 or so) XJs are notorious for developing >debilitating vibes after even minimal (or *no*) lift that can only be >addressed by methods that don't apply to anyone "on a budget". if >you're going to be doing a lift on a late XJ, you need to be prepared >to deal with the likelihood of vibes, and to do that properly requires >a fixed-output short tailcone housing conversion for the T'Case and a >double-cardan driveshaft; that alone costs more than any cheap lift. > > i have to ask; why are you lifting it? (not trying to be a smart-a**, >but) if it's better trail performance you're after, you're better off >with just Anti-Sway Bar disconnects and trimming the fenders (if >necessary to fit better/larger tires and not doing any lift at all. >that'll get you remarkable axle articulation and the better axle and >tire clearance you need without as much of a compromised (raised) >Center of Gravity, and zero risk of requiring driveline modifications. > good 30" tires are do-able with minimal trimming, and with anti-sway >bar discos (or completely removed bars) will get you more places than a >lift with cheap tires. > (be aware that you won't be able to fit anything larger than a 30" >spare in the stock location anyway, and you *always* want to have a >matching spare. the only place to put it that won't screw with your >Coefficient of Drag and/or CG or your storage space is a rear bumper >mount, and that's out of the "on a budget" range again.) > > my advice? get some anti-sway bar disconnects for the front, ditch the >rear A-S Bar (if you have one), get the best *5* tires you can on it >(235/75-15s will usually fit with little or no trimming), and have fun >with it while you save the rest of the money you're going to need to do >the next step properly. many people (especially non-XJ owners!) will be >amazed at what an XJ can do with just decent tires and the axles freed >to be able to fully articulate. > > if you're trying to lift it for just looks... i can't help you. ;-P > > >cheers! >e > >'94 XJ >OME, TeraFlex, MT/Rs, JB Conversions, blah blah... > > > > What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee would u recommend for a kid > > with a tight budget? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: RE: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? The only place I found a lift to be an invaluable addition to *any* vehicle is if you are running on the beach. Most times, you are running into ruts dug there by other who came before you, and you can't avoid traveling in them as well. If you don't have the clearance, you will drag, and start to snow-plow the sand, which will get you stuck in a heart beat! But I go to the Outer Banks often and found that a 2 inch list is more than adequete. Less than $100 at rusty's (not including a weekend of wrenching) Your call Ed web/gadget guru - --- Allen Zylstra wrote: > I would have to agree with no lift if you are on a > budget. Both my XJs > didn't have a lift, but had good tires and could go > more places than any > blazer or explorer. I would take his advice and go > for the tires and > swaybar disconnects first and then save for a good > lift and and > everything to do it properly. You will be happier > with a good lift than > a cheap lift and problems in the long run. > > Allen > > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "ernest breakfield" > > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net, markandcarri-at-rogers.com, > fsj-at-digest.net, > diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:36:43 -0700 (PDT) > >best answer? none. (sorry!) > > > > later model (post '97 or so) XJs are > notorious for developing > >debilitating vibes after even minimal (or *no*) > lift that can only > be > >addressed by methods that don't apply to anyone > "on a budget". if > >you're going to be doing a lift on a late XJ, you > need to be > prepared > >to deal with the likelihood of vibes, and to do > that properly > requires > >a fixed-output short tailcone housing conversion > for the T'Case and > a > >double-cardan driveshaft; that alone costs more > than any cheap lift. > > > > i have to ask; why are you lifting it? (not > trying to be a > smart-a**, > >but) if it's better trail performance you're > after, you're better > off > >with just Anti-Sway Bar disconnects and trimming > the fenders (if > >necessary to fit better/larger tires and not > doing any lift at all. > >that'll get you remarkable axle articulation and > the better axle and > >tire clearance you need without as much of a > compromised (raised) > >Center of Gravity, and zero risk of requiring > driveline > modifications. > > good 30" tires are do-able with minimal > trimming, and with > anti-sway > >bar discos (or completely removed bars) will get > you more places > than a > >lift with cheap tires. > > (be aware that you won't be able to fit > anything larger than a > 30" > >spare in the stock location anyway, and you > *always* want to have a > >matching spare. the only place to put it that > won't screw with your > >Coefficient of Drag and/or CG or your storage > space is a rear bumper > >mount, and that's out of the "on a budget" range > again.) > > > > my advice? get some anti-sway bar disconnects > for the front, > ditch the > >rear A-S Bar (if you have one), get the best *5* > tires you can on it > >(235/75-15s will usually fit with little or no > trimming), and have > fun > >with it while you save the rest of the money > you're going to need to > do > >the next step properly. many people (especially > non-XJ owners!) will > be > >amazed at what an XJ can do with just decent > tires and the axles > freed > >to be able to fully articulate. > > > > if you're trying to lift it for just looks... > i can't help > you. ;-P > > > > > >cheers! > >e > > > >'94 XJ > >OME, TeraFlex, MT/Rs, JB Conversions, blah > blah... > > > > > > > What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee > would u recommend > for a kid > > > with a tight budget? > "I'm not an expert, but I *did* stay at a Holiday Inn Express once..." --Holiday Inn Commercial ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:40:06 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? the clearance you need to keep from hanging things up in the ruts on the beach or anywhere else comes from larger tires keeping the axles farther up, not from the amount the chassis is lifted above those axles. needing more clearance for still larger tires is a great reason for lift, but its the larger tires that are making the difference there, not the lift. cheers! e Ed Kummel wrote: > The only place I found a lift to be an invaluable > addition to *any* vehicle is if you are running on the > beach. Most times, you are running into ruts dug there > by other who came before you, and you can't avoid > traveling in them as well. If you don't have the > clearance, you will drag, and start to snow-plow the > sand, which will get you stuck in a heart beat! But I > go to the Outer Banks often and found that a 2 inch > list is more than adequete. Less than $100 at rusty's > (not including a weekend of wrenching) > Your call > Ed > web/gadget guru > > --- Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > I would have to agree with no lift if you are on a > > budget. Both my XJs > > didn't have a lift, but had good tires and could go > > more places than any > > blazer or explorer. I would take his advice and go > > for the tires and > > swaybar disconnects first and then save for a good > > lift and and > > everything to do it properly. You will be happier > > with a good lift than > > a cheap lift and problems in the long run. > > > > Allen > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From: "ernest breakfield" > > > > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > > To: xj-at-digest.net > > CC: xj-at-digest.net, markandcarri-at-rogers.com, > > fsj-at-digest.net, > > diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: xj: Re: XJ: what kind of lift? > > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:36:43 -0700 (PDT) > > >best answer? none. (sorry!) > > > > > > later model (post '97 or so) XJs are > > notorious for developing > > >debilitating vibes after even minimal (or *no*) > > lift that can only > > be > > >addressed by methods that don't apply to anyone > > "on a budget". if > > >you're going to be doing a lift on a late XJ, you > > need to be > > prepared > > >to deal with the likelihood of vibes, and to do > > that properly > > requires > > >a fixed-output short tailcone housing conversion > > for the T'Case and > > a > > >double-cardan driveshaft; that alone costs more > > than any cheap lift. > > > > > > i have to ask; why are you lifting it? (not > > trying to be a > > smart-a**, > > >but) if it's better trail performance you're > > after, you're better > > off > > >with just Anti-Sway Bar disconnects and trimming > > the fenders (if > > >necessary to fit better/larger tires and not > > doing any lift at all. > > >that'll get you remarkable axle articulation and > > the better axle and > > >tire clearance you need without as much of a > > compromised (raised) > > >Center of Gravity, and zero risk of requiring > > driveline > > modifications. > > > good 30" tires are do-able with minimal > > trimming, and with > > anti-sway > > >bar discos (or completely removed bars) will get > > you more places > > than a > > >lift with cheap tires. > > > (be aware that you won't be able to fit > > anything larger than a > > 30" > > >spare in the stock location anyway, and you > > *always* want to have a > > >matching spare. the only place to put it that > > won't screw with your > > >Coefficient of Drag and/or CG or your storage > > space is a rear bumper > > >mount, and that's out of the "on a budget" range > > again.) > > > > > > my advice? get some anti-sway bar disconnects > > for the front, > > ditch the > > >rear A-S Bar (if you have one), get the best *5* > > tires you can on it > > >(235/75-15s will usually fit with little or no > > trimming), and have > > fun > > >with it while you save the rest of the money > > you're going to need to > > do > > >the next step properly. many people (especially > > non-XJ owners!) will > > be > > >amazed at what an XJ can do with just decent > > tires and the axles > > freed > > >to be able to fully articulate. > > > > > > if you're trying to lift it for just looks... > > i can't help > > you. ;-P > > > > > > > > >cheers! > > >e > > > > > >'94 XJ > > >OME, TeraFlex, MT/Rs, JB Conversions, blah > > blah... > > > > > > > > > > What kind of lift kit for a 2000 jeep Cherokee > > would u recommend > > for a kid > > > > with a tight budget? ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2174 *************************