From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 25 11:08:49 2005 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, October 25 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2196 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:06:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) HC, the relay will have a diagram on the side, or I can find the schematic based on the pin numbers, they are a standard. the idea is to make the contacts and connect the circuit. there will be two pins, each on the side of a coil (a couple of loops represent the coil, or in the case of the bosch relay a box with a slash in it). the coil will have a control source... when the condition is met a voltage is applied across that coil and it engages and draws the contacts together. There will be two or three more contacts. On a relay I grabbed off the shelf the control leads are 85 and 86 the switched contacts are 30 (the source or common) and then 87 and 87a, this is a SPDT relay. A SPDT (single pole Double throw) relay switches power from one contact to the other. In it's off condition I believe that 30 to 87 is made, when power is applied to 85 and 86 30 to 87a is made. If you want to run by Snohomish... oh wait... you can't get started... :( I'm out and about today, heading down to Seattle to get my boeing badge, tomorrow I'll be down in bellevue teaching... catch me off list and maybe I can swing by to figure it out with you... john -at- wagoneers.com On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->Sorry Howard... I was tied up with Hurricane Wilma. What year >-->is your XJ? I have a 1993 and I will look and post later today. >-->I took this cut-n-paste directly from the NAXJA website and I did >-->not pay attention to what year XJ they were writing about. >--> >-->Give me a couple of hours and I will get more info !! Bill-93XJ >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of hc >-->carter >-->Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:29 PM >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >--> >-->ok - one more question??? >-->All of the slots on the relay look the same size? >-->Which ones do I jump? >--> >-->see picture: >-->http://hccarter.home.comcast.net/jeep_relay.jpg >--> >-->thanks - HC >-->= = = >--> >-->hc carter wrote: >--> >-->> Hey - excellent - just what I need. One question - do you put the >-->> relay back in over the jumper wire - or do you leave the relay out of >-->> the car? THANKS! HC >-->> - - - >-->> >-->> Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->> >-->>> Howard, >-->>> >-->>> Here is a cut-n-paste from the NAXJA site (4 days ago). This is >-->>> a Frequently Asked Question !! I took mine apart about a year ago >-->>> and cleaned it up with a good results.... Pricey Part.... >-->>> There were several times I did the equivalent of the instructions >-->>> below by leaving the key in the ON position (shifter in PARK) and >-->>> jumped the starter with a screwdriver. It was always a crap shoot >-->>> over how messy the ground was and how good of clothes I was wearing >-->>> at the time. I wish I had these details then !! HTH - Bill-93XJ >-->>> >-->>> NSS BYPASS INTRUCTIONS FOLLOW: >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> "OK, here's how it's done..... >-->>> >-->>> Ran into the dealer mechanic at a wedding reception Sat. night and >-->was >-->>> telling him what I was trying to do. The last time i had it in the >-->shop >-->>> he experienced the finicky NSS and had to jockey the gearshift for a >-->>> couple minutes to get it started. So the mechanic said just stop by >-->the >-->>> shop and I'll show you how to bypass the NSS and start it. It's so >-->easy! >-->>> In the relay/fuse box under the hood, there is a starter relay with 5 >-->>> pins. 3 smaller and 2 bigger pins. After pulling the relay out of the >-->>> socket, insert the 2 ends of a small jumper wire into the 2 larger >-->slots >-->>> of the relay socket. That puts juice to the starter, even if the key >-->>> switch is off. Of course the key must be in the on position for the >-->>> engine to start. Gentlemen, this is what I was looking for! Thanks >-->for >-->>> the replies and thanks to bajacalal for the wiring diagram. I have it >-->>> printed out and will keep it for future use." >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> -----Original Message----- >-->>> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >-->>> hccarter-at-comcast.net >-->>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:44 AM >-->>> To: xj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net >-->>> Cc: Jim Blair >-->>> Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >-->>> >-->>> Hey all - >-->>> >-->>> Thanks for all the input - I am going to play with it this weekend to >-->>> see if I can get it going - - - >-->>> >-->>> Again - it is a 92 Comanche 4.0 HO 4WD with the column mount AT >-->shifter. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:31:01 -0400 From: "Daugherty, Walter W. \(Laser\)" Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) Howard, http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/09008 23d/80/15/1c/13/0900823d80151c13.jsp Scroll down and see if you can find your application. Good Luck !! Bill-93XJ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:07 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) HC, the relay will have a diagram on the side, or I can find the schematic based on the pin numbers, they are a standard. the idea is to make the contacts and connect the circuit. there will be two pins, each on the side of a coil (a couple of loops represent the coil, or in the case of the bosch relay a box with a slash in it). the coil will have a control source... when the condition is met a voltage is applied across that coil and it engages and draws the contacts together. There will be two or three more contacts. On a relay I grabbed off the shelf the control leads are 85 and 86 the switched contacts are 30 (the source or common) and then 87 and 87a, this is a SPDT relay. A SPDT (single pole Double throw) relay switches power from one contact to the other. In it's off condition I believe that 30 to 87 is made, when power is applied to 85 and 86 30 to 87a is made. If you want to run by Snohomish... oh wait... you can't get started... :( I'm out and about today, heading down to Seattle to get my boeing badge, tomorrow I'll be down in bellevue teaching... catch me off list and maybe I can swing by to figure it out with you... john -at- wagoneers.com On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->Sorry Howard... I was tied up with Hurricane Wilma. What year >-->is your XJ? I have a 1993 and I will look and post later today. >-->I took this cut-n-paste directly from the NAXJA website and I did >-->not pay attention to what year XJ they were writing about. >--> >-->Give me a couple of hours and I will get more info !! Bill-93XJ >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of hc >-->carter >-->Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:29 PM >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >--> >-->ok - one more question??? >-->All of the slots on the relay look the same size? >-->Which ones do I jump? >--> >-->see picture: >-->http://hccarter.home.comcast.net/jeep_relay.jpg >--> >-->thanks - HC >-->= = = >--> >-->hc carter wrote: >--> >-->> Hey - excellent - just what I need. One question - do you put the >-->> relay back in over the jumper wire - or do you leave the relay out of >-->> the car? THANKS! HC >-->> - - - >-->> >-->> Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->> >-->>> Howard, >-->>> >-->>> Here is a cut-n-paste from the NAXJA site (4 days ago). This is >-->>> a Frequently Asked Question !! I took mine apart about a year ago >-->>> and cleaned it up with a good results.... Pricey Part.... >-->>> There were several times I did the equivalent of the instructions >-->>> below by leaving the key in the ON position (shifter in PARK) and >-->>> jumped the starter with a screwdriver. It was always a crap shoot >-->>> over how messy the ground was and how good of clothes I was wearing >-->>> at the time. I wish I had these details then !! HTH - Bill-93XJ >-->>> >-->>> NSS BYPASS INTRUCTIONS FOLLOW: >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> "OK, here's how it's done..... >-->>> >-->>> Ran into the dealer mechanic at a wedding reception Sat. night and >-->was >-->>> telling him what I was trying to do. The last time i had it in the >-->shop >-->>> he experienced the finicky NSS and had to jockey the gearshift for a >-->>> couple minutes to get it started. So the mechanic said just stop by >-->the >-->>> shop and I'll show you how to bypass the NSS and start it. It's so >-->easy! >-->>> In the relay/fuse box under the hood, there is a starter relay with 5 >-->>> pins. 3 smaller and 2 bigger pins. After pulling the relay out of the >-->>> socket, insert the 2 ends of a small jumper wire into the 2 larger >-->slots >-->>> of the relay socket. That puts juice to the starter, even if the key >-->>> switch is off. Of course the key must be in the on position for the >-->>> engine to start. Gentlemen, this is what I was looking for! Thanks >-->for >-->>> the replies and thanks to bajacalal for the wiring diagram. I have it >-->>> printed out and will keep it for future use." >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> >-->>> -----Original Message----- >-->>> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >-->>> hccarter-at-comcast.net >-->>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:44 AM >-->>> To: xj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net >-->>> Cc: Jim Blair >-->>> Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >-->>> >-->>> Hey all - >-->>> >-->>> Thanks for all the input - I am going to play with it this weekend to >-->>> see if I can get it going - - - >-->>> >-->>> Again - it is a 92 Comanche 4.0 HO 4WD with the column mount AT >-->shifter. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) excellent! john On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->Howard, >--> >-->http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/09008 >-->23d/80/15/1c/13/0900823d80151c13.jsp >--> >-->Scroll down and see if you can find your application. >--> >-->Good Luck !! Bill-93XJ >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:07 PM >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >--> >-->HC, >--> >-->the relay will have a diagram on the side, or I can >-->find the schematic based on the pin numbers, they are a standard. >--> >-->the idea is to make the contacts and connect the circuit. >--> >-->there will be two pins, >-->each on the side of a coil (a couple of loops represent the coil, >-->or in the case of the bosch relay a box with a slash in it). >--> >-->the coil will have a control source... when >-->the condition is met a voltage is applied across that coil >-->and it engages and draws the contacts together. >--> >-->There will be two or three more contacts. >--> >--> >-->On a relay I grabbed off the shelf the control leads are 85 and 86 >--> >-->the switched contacts are 30 (the source or common) and then >--> 87 and 87a, this is a SPDT relay. >--> >-->A SPDT (single pole Double throw) relay switches power from one >-->contact to the other. In it's off condition I believe that 30 to 87 >-->is made, when power is applied to 85 and 86 30 to 87a is made. >--> >--> >-->If you want to run by Snohomish... oh wait... you can't get started... >-->:( >--> >-->I'm out and about today, heading down to Seattle to get my boeing badge, >-->tomorrow I'll be down in bellevue teaching... catch me off list and >-->maybe I can swing by to figure it out with you... >--> >-->john -at- wagoneers.com >--> >--> >--> >-->On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >--> >-->>-->Sorry Howard... I was tied up with Hurricane Wilma. What year >-->>-->is your XJ? I have a 1993 and I will look and post later today. >-->>-->I took this cut-n-paste directly from the NAXJA website and I did >-->>-->not pay attention to what year XJ they were writing about. >-->>--> >-->>-->Give me a couple of hours and I will get more info !! Bill-93XJ >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >-->hc >-->>-->carter >-->>-->Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:29 PM >-->>-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->>-->Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >-->>--> >-->>-->ok - one more question??? >-->>-->All of the slots on the relay look the same size? >-->>-->Which ones do I jump? >-->>--> >-->>-->see picture: >-->>-->http://hccarter.home.comcast.net/jeep_relay.jpg >-->>--> >-->>-->thanks - HC >-->>-->= = = >-->>--> >-->>-->hc carter wrote: >-->>--> >-->>-->> Hey - excellent - just what I need. One question - do you put the >-->>-->> relay back in over the jumper wire - or do you leave the relay out >-->of >-->>-->> the car? THANKS! HC >-->>-->> - - - >-->>-->> >-->>-->> Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->>-->> >-->>-->>> Howard, >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Here is a cut-n-paste from the NAXJA site (4 days ago). This is >-->>-->>> a Frequently Asked Question !! I took mine apart about a year >-->ago >-->>-->>> and cleaned it up with a good results.... Pricey Part.... >-->>-->>> There were several times I did the equivalent of the instructions >-->>-->>> below by leaving the key in the ON position (shifter in PARK) and >-->>-->>> jumped the starter with a screwdriver. It was always a crap >-->shoot >-->>-->>> over how messy the ground was and how good of clothes I was >-->wearing >-->>-->>> at the time. I wish I had these details then !! HTH - >-->Bill-93XJ >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> NSS BYPASS INTRUCTIONS FOLLOW: >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> "OK, here's how it's done..... >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Ran into the dealer mechanic at a wedding reception Sat. night >-->and >-->>-->was >-->>-->>> telling him what I was trying to do. The last time i had it in >-->the >-->>-->shop >-->>-->>> he experienced the finicky NSS and had to jockey the gearshift >-->for a >-->>-->>> couple minutes to get it started. So the mechanic said just stop >-->by >-->>-->the >-->>-->>> shop and I'll show you how to bypass the NSS and start it. It's >-->so >-->>-->easy! >-->>-->>> In the relay/fuse box under the hood, there is a starter relay >-->with 5 >-->>-->>> pins. 3 smaller and 2 bigger pins. After pulling the relay out of >-->the >-->>-->>> socket, insert the 2 ends of a small jumper wire into the 2 >-->larger >-->>-->slots >-->>-->>> of the relay socket. That puts juice to the starter, even if the >-->key >-->>-->>> switch is off. Of course the key must be in the on position for >-->the >-->>-->>> engine to start. Gentlemen, this is what I was looking for! >-->Thanks >-->>-->for >-->>-->>> the replies and thanks to bajacalal for the wiring diagram. I >-->have it >-->>-->>> printed out and will keep it for future use." >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> -----Original Message----- >-->>-->>> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf >-->Of >-->>-->>> hccarter-at-comcast.net >-->>-->>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:44 AM >-->>-->>> To: xj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net >-->>-->>> Cc: Jim Blair >-->>-->>> Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Hey all - >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Thanks for all the input - I am going to play with it this >-->weekend to >-->>-->>> see if I can get it going - - - >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Again - it is a 92 Comanche 4.0 HO 4WD with the column mount AT >-->>-->shifter. >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:57:54 -0400 From: "Daugherty, Walter W. \(Laser\)" Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) Thanks John. I just this helps Howard. Be careful about the web address. Somehow it broke it apart into two lines. You just need to click on the blue and when it fails, cut and paste the remainder onto the end. (Don't know why it did that.... no problemo though once you know...) Thanks to Autozone for the excellent reference material Bill-93XJ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:54 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) excellent! john On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->Howard, >--> >-->http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0 9008 >-->23d/80/15/1c/13/0900823d80151c13.jsp >--> >-->Scroll down and see if you can find your application. >--> >-->Good Luck !! Bill-93XJ >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:07 PM >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: RE: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >--> >-->HC, >--> >-->the relay will have a diagram on the side, or I can >-->find the schematic based on the pin numbers, they are a standard. >--> >-->the idea is to make the contacts and connect the circuit. >--> >-->there will be two pins, >-->each on the side of a coil (a couple of loops represent the coil, >-->or in the case of the bosch relay a box with a slash in it). >--> >-->the coil will have a control source... when >-->the condition is met a voltage is applied across that coil >-->and it engages and draws the contacts together. >--> >-->There will be two or three more contacts. >--> >--> >-->On a relay I grabbed off the shelf the control leads are 85 and 86 >--> >-->the switched contacts are 30 (the source or common) and then >--> 87 and 87a, this is a SPDT relay. >--> >-->A SPDT (single pole Double throw) relay switches power from one >-->contact to the other. In it's off condition I believe that 30 to 87 >-->is made, when power is applied to 85 and 86 30 to 87a is made. >--> >--> >-->If you want to run by Snohomish... oh wait... you can't get started... >-->:( >--> >-->I'm out and about today, heading down to Seattle to get my boeing badge, >-->tomorrow I'll be down in bellevue teaching... catch me off list and >-->maybe I can swing by to figure it out with you... >--> >-->john -at- wagoneers.com >--> >--> >--> >-->On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >--> >-->>-->Sorry Howard... I was tied up with Hurricane Wilma. What year >-->>-->is your XJ? I have a 1993 and I will look and post later today. >-->>-->I took this cut-n-paste directly from the NAXJA website and I did >-->>-->not pay attention to what year XJ they were writing about. >-->>--> >-->>-->Give me a couple of hours and I will get more info !! Bill-93XJ >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >-->hc >-->>-->carter >-->>-->Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:29 PM >-->>-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->>-->Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >-->>--> >-->>-->ok - one more question??? >-->>-->All of the slots on the relay look the same size? >-->>-->Which ones do I jump? >-->>--> >-->>-->see picture: >-->>-->http://hccarter.home.comcast.net/jeep_relay.jpg >-->>--> >-->>-->thanks - HC >-->>-->= = = >-->>--> >-->>-->hc carter wrote: >-->>--> >-->>-->> Hey - excellent - just what I need. One question - do you put the >-->>-->> relay back in over the jumper wire - or do you leave the relay out >-->of >-->>-->> the car? THANKS! HC >-->>-->> - - - >-->>-->> >-->>-->> Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: >-->>-->> >-->>-->>> Howard, >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Here is a cut-n-paste from the NAXJA site (4 days ago). This is >-->>-->>> a Frequently Asked Question !! I took mine apart about a year >-->ago >-->>-->>> and cleaned it up with a good results.... Pricey Part.... >-->>-->>> There were several times I did the equivalent of the instructions >-->>-->>> below by leaving the key in the ON position (shifter in PARK) and >-->>-->>> jumped the starter with a screwdriver. It was always a crap >-->shoot >-->>-->>> over how messy the ground was and how good of clothes I was >-->wearing >-->>-->>> at the time. I wish I had these details then !! HTH - >-->Bill-93XJ >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> NSS BYPASS INTRUCTIONS FOLLOW: >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> "OK, here's how it's done..... >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Ran into the dealer mechanic at a wedding reception Sat. night >-->and >-->>-->was >-->>-->>> telling him what I was trying to do. The last time i had it in >-->the >-->>-->shop >-->>-->>> he experienced the finicky NSS and had to jockey the gearshift >-->for a >-->>-->>> couple minutes to get it started. So the mechanic said just stop >-->by >-->>-->the >-->>-->>> shop and I'll show you how to bypass the NSS and start it. It's >-->so >-->>-->easy! >-->>-->>> In the relay/fuse box under the hood, there is a starter relay >-->with 5 >-->>-->>> pins. 3 smaller and 2 bigger pins. After pulling the relay out of >-->the >-->>-->>> socket, insert the 2 ends of a small jumper wire into the 2 >-->larger >-->>-->slots >-->>-->>> of the relay socket. That puts juice to the starter, even if the >-->key >-->>-->>> switch is off. Of course the key must be in the on position for >-->the >-->>-->>> engine to start. Gentlemen, this is what I was looking for! >-->Thanks >-->>-->for >-->>-->>> the replies and thanks to bajacalal for the wiring diagram. I >-->have it >-->>-->>> printed out and will keep it for future use." >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> -----Original Message----- >-->>-->>> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf >-->Of >-->>-->>> hccarter-at-comcast.net >-->>-->>> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:44 AM >-->>-->>> To: xj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net >-->>-->>> Cc: Jim Blair >-->>-->>> Subject: Re: xj: Locking Plate Spring (ignition key) >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Hey all - >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Thanks for all the input - I am going to play with it this >-->weekend to >-->>-->>> see if I can get it going - - - >-->>-->>> >-->>-->>> Again - it is a 92 Comanche 4.0 HO 4WD with the column mount AT >-->>-->shifter. >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- >-->- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- >-->- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2196 *************************