From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jan 7 01:03:10 2006 From: xj-digest xj-digest Saturday, January 7 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2253 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions [none] Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions xj: Re: FW: [JGC] WJ fall aparts after 100k? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:21:31 -0600 From: "Okiebinder" Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions NOW your think'n.... make it so. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:28 PM > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > > > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: > > >-->I had that thought also but I thought I would leave it to you > to be really > >-->"hardcore". > > just think, regenerative braking too... hmmm... > > :) > john > > >-->David > >--> > >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On > Behalf Of john > >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:23 PM > >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: > >-->> > >-->> >-->Now that is an interesting idea....... ;-} Might even help > >-->> John get out of > >-->> >-->his driveway. > >-->> >-->David > >-->> > >-->> actually I'd need to install electric motors to help propel > the unit... :) > >-->> > >-->> hmmm... giving me an idea of what to do with a Mercedes > Diesel... may be > >-->> getting a 2.4L I-4 Diesel... thinking about putting that > in my '48 CJ, or > >-->> possibly that '92 XJ sport that is minus an engine... > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > >-->> >-->> xjgpn-at-aol.com > >-->> >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:59 PM > >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> A trailer axle with hydraulic steering? Damn your > hardcore :-) > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> >-->> From: john > >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> >-->> Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) > >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 xjgpn-at-aol.com wrote: > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->What are people doing with the 2wd beam axles > when converting > >-->> >-->> to 4wd? > >-->> >-->> Anyone in the NY area have one laying around? I can > think of a > >-->> >-->> few interesting > >-->> >-->> uses for one... just curious what going rate for one > of these is. > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> I can think of one too... trailer axles! > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> john > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> ---- > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** > >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> >--> > >-->> > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: >-->NOW your think'n.... make it so. got motors? :) john >--> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:28 PM >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions >-->> >-->> >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->I had that thought also but I thought I would leave it to you >-->> to be really >-->> >-->"hardcore". >-->> >-->> just think, regenerative braking too... hmmm... >-->> >-->> :) >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->David >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On >-->> Behalf Of john >-->> >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:23 PM >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> >-->> Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->Now that is an interesting idea....... ;-} Might even help >-->> >-->> John get out of >-->> >-->> >-->his driveway. >-->> >-->> >-->David >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> actually I'd need to install electric motors to help propel >-->> the unit... :) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> hmmm... giving me an idea of what to do with a Mercedes >-->> Diesel... may be >-->> >-->> getting a 2.4L I-4 Diesel... thinking about putting that >-->> in my '48 CJ, or >-->> >-->> possibly that '92 XJ sport that is minus an engine... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> >-->> >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net >-->> [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of >-->> >-->> >-->> xjgpn-at-aol.com >-->> >-->> >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:59 PM >-->> >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> A trailer axle with hydraulic steering? Damn your >-->> hardcore :-) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- >-->> >-->> >-->> From: john >-->> >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> >-->> >-->> Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) >-->> >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 xjgpn-at-aol.com wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->What are people doing with the 2wd beam axles >-->> when converting >-->> >-->> >-->> to 4wd? >-->> >-->> >-->> Anyone in the NY area have one laying around? I can >-->> think of a >-->> >-->> >-->> few interesting >-->> >-->> >-->> uses for one... just curious what going rate for one >-->> of these is. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> I can think of one too... trailer axles! >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** >-->> http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't >-->> rust, they mold >-->> >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:39:35 -0600 From: "Okiebinder" Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions Nope.... figured you already had them "layin" around, or could take them from something in your fleet. :-} David > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:37 PM > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > > > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: > > >-->NOW your think'n.... make it so. > > got motors? > > :) > > john > > >--> > >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On > Behalf Of john > >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:28 PM > >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: > >-->> > >-->> >-->I had that thought also but I thought I would leave it to you > >-->> to be really > >-->> >-->"hardcore". > >-->> > >-->> just think, regenerative braking too... hmmm... > >-->> > >-->> :) > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> >-->David > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On > >-->> Behalf Of john > >-->> >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:23 PM > >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> >-->> Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->Now that is an interesting idea....... ;-} > Might even help > >-->> >-->> John get out of > >-->> >-->> >-->his driveway. > >-->> >-->> >-->David > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> actually I'd need to install electric motors to help propel > >-->> the unit... :) > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> hmmm... giving me an idea of what to do with a Mercedes > >-->> Diesel... may be > >-->> >-->> getting a 2.4L I-4 Diesel... thinking about putting that > >-->> in my '48 CJ, or > >-->> >-->> possibly that '92 XJ sport that is minus an engine... > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> john > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> >-->> >-->> From: owner-xj-at-digest.net > >-->> [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > >-->> >-->> >-->> xjgpn-at-aol.com > >-->> >-->> >-->> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:59 PM > >-->> >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> A trailer axle with hydraulic steering? Damn your > >-->> hardcore :-) > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> -----Original Message----- > >-->> >-->> >-->> From: john > >-->> >-->> >-->> To: xj-at-digest.net > >-->> >-->> >-->> Sent: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) > >-->> >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 xjgpn-at-aol.com wrote: > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->What are people doing with the 2wd beam axles > >-->> when converting > >-->> >-->> >-->> to 4wd? > >-->> >-->> >-->> Anyone in the NY area have one laying around? I can > >-->> think of a > >-->> >-->> >-->> few interesting > >-->> >-->> >-->> uses for one... just curious what going rate for one > >-->> of these is. > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> I can think of one too... trailer axles! > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> john > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > >-->> http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > >-->> rust, they mold > >-->> >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** > >-->> >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> ---- > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** > >-->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> >--> > >-->> > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Okiebinder wrote: >-->Nope.... figured you already had them "layin" around, or could take them >-->from something in your fleet. :-} >-->David well... nothing that will work without a very long extension cord... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:34:18 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: [none] A: I usually post them on the local AMC board for sale. Draggers use them in the front of the cars that "bounce" when the long pedal is pressed! The '85 I have for sale (only $500 and it's drivable!) is 2wd, but was 4x4 (I used the front and rear 3.73 axles in my Comanche. I had a 4.10 rear I put back into it which works fine with 4 cyl and 5 speed) build your truck right the first time! From: xjgpn-at-aol.com Subject: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions What are people doing with the 2wd beam axles when converting to 4wd? Anyone in the NY area have one laying around? I can think of a few interesting uses for one... just curious what going rate for one of these is. _________________________________________________________________ Don^Rt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:36:35 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions A: I already tried that with a box and rear frame from the Comanche I parted. It wasn't the right width to work. (leafs ended up on top of the steering knuckles!) From: john Subject: Re: xj: While on the subject of 2wd conversions On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 xjgpn-at-aol.com wrote: >-->What are people doing with the 2wd beam axles when converting to 4wd? Anyone in the NY area have one laying around? I can think of a few interesting uses for one... just curious what going rate for one of these is. I can think of one too... trailer axles! john http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: FW: [JGC] WJ fall aparts after 100k? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that what josh smiley has heard from his friends was related to the piece-o-crap ZJ Grand Cherokee and NOT a WJ. I have a doctor friend that owned a ZJ and bad mouthed Grand Cherokees, but his was a '96. To be a WJ it must be 1999 to 2005. In 2006 they (the folks at DC) deviated from the normal Jeep designators and call it the WK. Anyway, the 4.7L V8 is the smoothest, most economical, sweetest V8 I've ever owned... the 5.2 and 5.9L V8's that went into the ZJ were old technology and inefficient, and only slightly better than the AMC 5.9L V8's used in the SJ. Other than some rear end setup issues on the WJ's with Quadradrive and the brake rotors, WJ's are sweet machines... I know, I've had three WJ's, two with V8's. Currently own two WJs, 1 XJ, 1 48 CJ-2A, 1 67 J100 and 1 83 J10 stepside... My WJ's right now have a 4.0L and a 4.7L WJ. my 4.0L has over 80k, no problems, my 4.7L has over 130,000 miles, no problems. My first WJ had an unknown number of miles on it when I got it (theft recovery) but I put over 40,000 on it without problems... the problems encountered to date on all three: - incorrect preload on pinion bearing (1st V8 quadradrive WJ) - brake rotors warp (common to many cars - replaced with power slotted rotors) I currently have a few leaking seals on my V8 WJ - pinion seals and possibly the rear seal on the transmission... haven't looked. - I've had one coil fail (most likely self induced after I tuned it). - ignition lock replaced at 75k on the 4.0L. otherwise they've been the most trouble free Jeeps I've ever owned... I've owned 22 SJs, 11 XJs, 3 Willys, 1 Jeepster and 3 WJs http://JohnMeister.com/johns-vehicles.html The XJs of course are also excellent, but I had more issues with XJs than with WJ's. All three of my WJs have been 1999 models. I suspect we're dealing with misinformation and it's the ZJ they disliked and not the WJ. john On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->From: "josh smiley" > -->Reply-To: Jeep_Grand_Cherokee-at-yahoogroups.com > -->To: > -->Subject: [JGC] WJ fall aparts after 100k? > -->I have a few friends (2 doctors and a accountant. Not like jobs matter). Who > -->say that they have had more problems with their WJ V8's then any other car > -->they havwe ever owned. Everytime I talk to them they are complaining about > -->something on tbhe WJs. I like the WJs and in general the Jeep product. I > -->have a XJ and have never had any problem with it for the last 3 years. > -->My question is what are the trouble spots with these jeeps,what is your > -->experience? I plan to take it on trips this summer to Mexicali, Sundance, > -->Utah and maybe Vancover (all for atv riding, so I will be pulling 2 atvs.) > -->Please give me your feedback. PS. I live in Denver. > -->Thanks ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2253 *************************