From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 14 23:28:22 2006 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, February 15 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2279 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: rough seas, but home... Re: xj: rough seas, but home... Re: xj: rough seas, but home... camera Re: xj: rough seas, but home... camera Re: xj: rough seas, but home... camera xj: administrivia: notes on using this list XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:13:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: rough seas, but home... http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/ had some 8 and 9 foot waves in the Straits of Juan de Fuca... check out the quick time movie, this is on a rather large catamaran (Victoria Clipper). here's a picture of the water coming up over the deck... http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/P2130037.jpg Guess this new front came in... expecting snow in Seattle... going to drive the white WJ instead of the 300D, at least until the WJ sells... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:55 -0600 From: David Bierschank Subject: Re: xj: rough seas, but home... Hello John, Just curious, what type of camera are you shooting with? I am looking to upgrade and I like the overall look of the the photos you have been posting from this trip. Your photos have been very interesting by the way. I would love to get up to Washington and Victoria someday. Thanks David On 2/14/06, john wrote: > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/ > had some 8 and 9 foot waves in the Straits of Juan de Fuca... > check out the quick time movie, this is on a rather large catamaran > (Victoria Clipper). > here's a picture of the water coming up over the deck... > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/P2130037.jp g > > Guess this new front came in... expecting snow in Seattle... going to > drive the white WJ instead of the 300D, at least until the WJ sells... > > john > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- David Bierschank Okiebinder okc67mustang-at-gmail.com okiebinder-at-cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:06:42 +0000 From: john-at-wagoneers.com Subject: Re: xj: rough seas, but home... camera Olympus C-750 ... got hooked on Olympus Digitals a few years back when I got one in part trade for a Jeep. the C-750 is about three years old (I think, maybe older). My main reason for it is the 10x optical zoom, it's a 4mp. I always shoot at SHQ something like 2278x1600 or some huge value, files are about 2.4M each. I use Bome's Image resizer to bring them down to 800x600 for the web (messed up on day one and two and set 'em to only 600 or less...). I like Bome's Image resizer because it permits a 100% jpg value... NO LOSS. I am considering getting a Panasonic F?Z-25, it's also 10x optical with 6 MP. My neighbor has one. It has a nice feel to it. My previous camera was a C-730, 2MP but also 10x optical zoom. OPTICAL Zoom is what counts, not the digital zoom, that's a bogus tool that reduces quality... never seen a good digitally zoomed picture yet. Megapixels mean little if the optics aren't good. MY Olympus seems to take better pictures than some of the Nikons I've shot against... even higher megapixel systems. I was surprised that the Olympus did better than one of the coolpix Nikon's... Nikon is well known for superb optics. If I were to rate optics I'd start out with Contax/Zeiss, Leica, Nikon and Canon... in the 35mm and larger format world that seems to be the way it is... but in the digital realm I'm amazed by the Olympus... My wife's new Pentax digital did ok, but not nearly as good as the Olympus... that's the reason we went to Victoria BC... got the cruise with the camera. ;) The other thing I like about the Olympus C-750 is the manual zoom so I can crop my shots... I've got a wide angle adapter for it as well. Love those low wide angle shots of jeeps... this isn't one with a really low view, but I still like it... http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/99-laredo/99wj-3sep04.jpg john -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: David Bierschank > Hello John, > > Just curious, what type of camera are you shooting with? I am looking to > upgrade and I like the overall look of the the photos you have been posting > from this trip. Your photos have been very interesting by the way. I > would love to get up to Washington and Victoria someday. > > Thanks > David > > > On 2/14/06, john wrote: > > > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/ > > had some 8 and 9 foot waves in the Straits of Juan de Fuca... > > check out the quick time movie, this is on a rather large catamaran > > (Victoria Clipper). > > here's a picture of the water coming up over the deck... > > > > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/P2130037.jp > g > > > > Guess this new front came in... expecting snow in Seattle... going to > > drive the white WJ instead of the 300D, at least until the WJ sells... > > > > john > > ---- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > David Bierschank > Okiebinder > > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > okiebinder-at-cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:05:56 -0600 From: David Bierschank Subject: Re: xj: rough seas, but home... camera Thanks John, I currently have a Olympus C5050 5mp camera and love it. Before that I had a C3030 3.3mp this is broken and my wife really wants it fixed. So I really like the Olympus digital as well. Much better than some of the Sony, canons and others I have played with. I am thinking of going to an SLR digital next. My boss shoots a Canon digital SLR and I really like it. I have a Pentax 35mm SLR PZ-1 that I really like but I just don't shoot any 35mm any more. Pentax has a line of Digital SLRS that I can shoot my 35mm lenses on which would make the jump to SLRs much easier on the pocketbook. I sold cameras about 15 years ago for about 5 years. So I am very picky about what I like in a camera and in photographs, and your Olympus looks to do a very nice job, from what I see from your trip. Anyway..... thanks for the info. I really enjoy looking at the photos you post for us to look at on the web. Thanks for your time, and efforts with the Jeep stuff as well. David Bierschank Okiebiner On 2/14/06, john-at-wagoneers.com wrote: > > Olympus C-750 ... got hooked on Olympus Digitals a few years > back when I got one in part trade for a Jeep. > > the C-750 is about three years old (I think, maybe older). My > main reason for it is the 10x optical zoom, it's a 4mp. I always > shoot at SHQ something like 2278x1600 or some huge value, > files are about 2.4M each. I use Bome's Image resizer to > bring them down to 800x600 for the web (messed up on > day one and two and set 'em to only 600 or less...). > > I like Bome's Image resizer because it permits a 100% jpg value... > NO LOSS. > > I am considering getting a Panasonic F?Z-25, it's also 10x optical > with 6 MP. My neighbor has one. It has a nice feel to it. > > My previous camera was a C-730, 2MP but also 10x optical zoom. > > OPTICAL Zoom is what counts, not the digital zoom, that's > a bogus tool that reduces quality... never seen a good digitally > zoomed picture yet. > > Megapixels mean little if the optics aren't good. MY Olympus > seems to take better pictures than some of the Nikons I've shot > against... even higher megapixel systems. I was surprised that > the Olympus did better than one of the coolpix Nikon's... Nikon > is well known for superb optics. > > If I were to rate optics I'd start out with Contax/Zeiss, Leica, Nikon > and Canon... in the 35mm and larger format world that seems to > be the way it is... but in the digital realm I'm amazed by the Olympus... > > My wife's new Pentax digital did ok, but not nearly as good as the > Olympus... that's the reason we went to Victoria BC... got the cruise > with the camera. ;) > > The other thing I like about the Olympus C-750 is the manual zoom > so I can crop my shots... I've got a wide angle adapter for it as well. > Love those low wide angle shots of jeeps... > > this isn't one with a really low view, but I still like it... > http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/99-laredo/99wj-3sep04.jpg > > john > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: David Bierschank > > Hello John, > > > > Just curious, what type of camera are you shooting with? I am looking > to > > upgrade and I like the overall look of the the photos you have been > posting > > from this trip. Your photos have been very interesting by the way. I > > would love to get up to Washington and Victoria someday. > > > > Thanks > > David > > > > > > On 2/14/06, john wrote: > > > > > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/ > > > had some 8 and 9 foot waves in the Straits of Juan de Fuca... > > > check out the quick time movie, this is on a rather large catamaran > > > (Victoria Clipper). > > > here's a picture of the water coming up over the deck... > > > > > > > > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/P2130037.jp > > g > > > > > > Guess this new front came in... expecting snow in Seattle... going to > > > drive the white WJ instead of the 300D, at least until the WJ sells... > > > > > > john > > > ---- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > David Bierschank > > Okiebinder > > > > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > > okiebinder-at-cox.net > - -- David Bierschank Okiebinder okc67mustang-at-gmail.com okiebinder-at-cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:52:26 +0000 From: john-at-wagoneers.com Subject: Re: xj: rough seas, but home... camera One thing that we should point out is that a good Jeep picture is one that is tightly cropped, meaning you get close enough so that the Jeep fills the frame as much as possible, unless you want to show it sitting upside down at Moab. :) People take some really bad pictures with really good cameras... I love good pictures of Jeeps... nice perspective, well framed and tightly cropped. After that good resolution is important... that's where the optics come into play. Megapixels seem to become important in lower light situations. Seems that my higher resolution cameras do better in lower light. I haven't shot a roll of 35mm in some time now... have a nice minolta ex140 (38mm-140mm), it is remarkably crisp as well. I gave my Canon FTb setup with extra lenses to my son, who only has shot like one roll through it... Sold my Contax and Zeiss lenses several years ago... had some very nice Zeiss lenses, sold them for more than I bought them for after almost 20 years of use too! I'm working on digitizing my color slides... have literally thousands of slides from living in Europe... lots of car pictures too... hired out as a freelance photographing cars that a guy was importing to the states... or was that exporing to the states? ;) john -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: David Bierschank > Thanks John, > > I currently have a Olympus C5050 5mp camera and love it. Before that I had > a C3030 3.3mp this is broken and my wife really wants it fixed. So I really > like the Olympus digital as well. Much better than some of the Sony, canons > and others I have played with. > > I am thinking of going to an SLR digital next. My boss shoots a Canon > digital SLR and I really like it. I have a Pentax 35mm SLR PZ-1 that I > really like but I just don't shoot any 35mm any more. Pentax has a line of > Digital SLRS that I can shoot my 35mm lenses on which would make the jump to > SLRs much easier on the pocketbook. > > I sold cameras about 15 years ago for about 5 years. So I am very picky > about what I like in a camera and in photographs, and your Olympus looks to > do a very nice job, from what I see from your trip. > > Anyway..... thanks for the info. I really enjoy looking at the photos you > post for us to look at on the web. Thanks for your time, and efforts with > the Jeep stuff as well. > > David Bierschank > Okiebiner > > > On 2/14/06, john-at-wagoneers.com wrote: > > > > Olympus C-750 ... got hooked on Olympus Digitals a few years > > back when I got one in part trade for a Jeep. > > > > the C-750 is about three years old (I think, maybe older). My > > main reason for it is the 10x optical zoom, it's a 4mp. I always > > shoot at SHQ something like 2278x1600 or some huge value, > > files are about 2.4M each. I use Bome's Image resizer to > > bring them down to 800x600 for the web (messed up on > > day one and two and set 'em to only 600 or less...). > > > > I like Bome's Image resizer because it permits a 100% jpg value... > > NO LOSS. > > > > I am considering getting a Panasonic F?Z-25, it's also 10x optical > > with 6 MP. My neighbor has one. It has a nice feel to it. > > > > My previous camera was a C-730, 2MP but also 10x optical zoom. > > > > OPTICAL Zoom is what counts, not the digital zoom, that's > > a bogus tool that reduces quality... never seen a good digitally > > zoomed picture yet. > > > > Megapixels mean little if the optics aren't good. MY Olympus > > seems to take better pictures than some of the Nikons I've shot > > against... even higher megapixel systems. I was surprised that > > the Olympus did better than one of the coolpix Nikon's... Nikon > > is well known for superb optics. > > > > If I were to rate optics I'd start out with Contax/Zeiss, Leica, Nikon > > and Canon... in the 35mm and larger format world that seems to > > be the way it is... but in the digital realm I'm amazed by the Olympus... > > > > My wife's new Pentax digital did ok, but not nearly as good as the > > Olympus... that's the reason we went to Victoria BC... got the cruise > > with the camera. ;) > > > > The other thing I like about the Olympus C-750 is the manual zoom > > so I can crop my shots... I've got a wide angle adapter for it as well. > > Love those low wide angle shots of jeeps... > > > > this isn't one with a really low view, but I still like it... > > http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/99-laredo/99wj-3sep04.jpg > > > > john > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: David Bierschank > > > Hello John, > > > > > > Just curious, what type of camera are you shooting with? I am looking > > to > > > upgrade and I like the overall look of the the photos you have been > > posting > > > from this trip. Your photos have been very interesting by the way. I > > > would love to get up to Washington and Victoria someday. > > > > > > Thanks > > > David > > > > > > > > > On 2/14/06, john wrote: > > > > > > > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/ > > > > had some 8 and 9 foot waves in the Straits of Juan de Fuca... > > > > check out the quick time movie, this is on a rather large catamaran > > > > (Victoria Clipper). > > > > here's a picture of the water coming up over the deck... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://JohnMeister.com/fotos/2006/Victoria-BC-Feb-10/FEB_13_Day4/P2130037.jp > > > g > > > > > > > > Guess this new front came in... expecting snow in Seattle... going to > > > > drive the white WJ instead of the 300D, at least until the WJ sells... > > > > > > > > john > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > > > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > > > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > David Bierschank > > > Okiebinder > > > > > > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > > > okiebinder-at-cox.net > > > > > > -- > David Bierschank > Okiebinder > > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > okiebinder-at-cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:05:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: xj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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