From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jun 30 09:25:31 2006 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, June 30 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2360 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? Re: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? xj: RE: cheap winch? RE: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? RE: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? Exactly... If this winch is "rated" at 8K, I wouldn't push it much past 4K..and be safe... Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: not been impressed by milemarker or superwinch... I prefer Warn, but for as little as I'll use this thing I'm thinking this will work well... just need to fabricate a receiver hitch so I can move it between my jeeps... john On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, JeepNut wrote: > -->Mile Markers what I'm looking at. > -->Have been highly recommended to me. > -->Looks like a proven tool. www.milemarker.com > --> > -->I've seen the 9K version on sale -at- $499 online > -->A 9.5K in the Whitney online site is showing at $569.99 > -->An 8K $449.99 > -->Northern.com (which isn't known for particularly stellar prices in my > -->opinion) even have these Mile Markers at: > -->$469.99 for a 9K > -->$449.99 for the 8K > -->$549.99 for the 9.5k > -->and I've seen the 9.5K on sale for $499 at some online sites... > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> happened by costco this evening and found an 8,000lb winch for $299.99 > -->> > -->> http://cpeauto.com/de8000lb_winch.htm > -->> > -->> If I could adapt this to attach to a receiver hitch... > -->> The Warn 8k is on sale at fourwheel parts wholesaler for close to $600. > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > --> > -->-- > -->Email was full when packed. Contents may settle during mailing. > -->Avoid inhaling fumes or contact with mucous membranes. > -->Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit. > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 - offline > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer > --> - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, > -->TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- > -->B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp > -->3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 > -->lamps...and then some. > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo - Bone stock > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer - parts > -->'81 Wagoneer - parts > -->...and they say there's only one... > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->Registered Linux user #287453 > --> - ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:27:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? most of us would be pulling around 4k with it... typical rule of thumb is 1.5X your weight... I'll be using this with a '91 GW, '83 J10 and a '48 CJ-2A. est. weight 5k, 4k and 2k. I'll use a splitter so I'll be loading the winch to about 2.5 to 3k john On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Exactly... >--> If this winch is "rated" at 8K, I wouldn't push it much past 4K..and be safe... >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru >--> >-->john wrote: >--> not been impressed by milemarker or superwinch... >-->I prefer Warn, but for as little as I'll use this thing I'm >-->thinking this will work well... just need to fabricate a receiver >-->hitch so I can move it between my jeeps... >--> >-->john >--> >--> >-->On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, JeepNut wrote: >--> >-->> -->Mile Markers what I'm looking at. >-->> -->Have been highly recommended to me. >-->> -->Looks like a proven tool. www.milemarker.com >-->> --> >-->> -->I've seen the 9K version on sale -at- $499 online >-->> -->A 9.5K in the Whitney online site is showing at $569.99 >-->> -->An 8K $449.99 >-->> -->Northern.com (which isn't known for particularly stellar prices in my >-->> -->opinion) even have these Mile Markers at: >-->> -->$469.99 for a 9K >-->> -->$449.99 for the 8K >-->> -->$549.99 for the 9.5k >-->> -->and I've seen the 9.5K on sale for $499 at some online sites... >-->> --> >-->> --> >-->> -->john wrote: >-->> --> >-->> -->> happened by costco this evening and found an 8,000lb winch for $299.99 >-->> -->> >-->> -->> http://cpeauto.com/de8000lb_winch.htm >-->> -->> >-->> -->> If I could adapt this to attach to a receiver hitch... >-->> -->> The Warn 8k is on sale at fourwheel parts wholesaler for close to $600. >-->> -->> >-->> -->> john >-->> -->> >-->> -->> ---- >-->> -->> >-->> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->> >-->> -->> >-->> -->> >-->> --> >-->> --> >-->> -->-- >-->> -->Email was full when packed. Contents may settle during mailing. >-->> -->Avoid inhaling fumes or contact with mucous membranes. >-->> -->Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit. >-->> -->---------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 - offline >-->> -->'88 Grand Wagoneer >-->> --> - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm 4bbl, >-->> -->TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R -3:31- >-->> -->B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended brake lines, ProComp >-->> -->3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 >-->> -->lamps...and then some. >-->> -->'92 Cherokee Laredo - Bone stock >-->> -->'87 Grand Wagoneer - parts >-->> -->'81 Wagoneer - parts >-->> -->...and they say there's only one... >-->> -->---------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->Registered Linux user #287453 >-->> --> >--> >-->---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> >--> >-->"Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" >--> Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: RE: cheap winch? On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Don wrote: >-->BTW, the winch mount that you are talking about is called a Multi Mount, and >-->it hooks into a 2 inch receiver. >-->http://www.monstermarketplace.com/Automotive/Landing481a4578.html yes, that's what I was looking for, and below that they have the rear cable kit... of course those two items cost more than the winch itself... might just get welding cable and make my own extension kit. ;) Multi Mount Portable Winch Carrier Your Price: $177.68 24' Quick Connect Power Cable, For Rear Of Vehicle Your Price: $156.00 john >--> >--> >--> >-->happened by costco this evening and found an 8,000lb winch for $299.99 >-->http://cpeauto. >-->com/de8000lb_winch.htm >-->If I could adapt this to attach to a receiver hitch... >-->The Warn 8k is on sale at fourwheel parts wholesaler for close to $600. >-->john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:26:51 -0400 From: "Darren K. Page" Subject: RE: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? If I remember correctly, one of the gotchas was that the Champion is actually rated at 4000 lbs. The fine print states 8000 WITH A PULLEY. Where the Warn is an actual 8000 lbs on a straight line pull... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Darren - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:28 AM To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? most of us would be pulling around 4k with it... typical rule of thumb is 1.5X your weight... I'll be using this with a '91 GW, '83 J10 and a '48 CJ-2A. est. weight 5k, 4k and 2k. I'll use a splitter so I'll be loading the winch to about 2.5 to 3k john On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Exactly... >--> If this winch is "rated" at 8K, I wouldn't push it much past 4K..and be safe... >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru >--> >-->john wrote: >--> not been impressed by milemarker or superwinch... >-->I prefer Warn, but for as little as I'll use this thing I'm thinking >-->this will work well... just need to fabricate a receiver hitch so I >-->can move it between my jeeps... >--> >-->john >--> >--> >-->On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, JeepNut wrote: >--> >-->> -->Mile Markers what I'm looking at. >-->> -->Have been highly recommended to me. >-->> -->Looks like a proven tool. www.milemarker.com >-->> --> >-->> -->I've seen the 9K version on sale -at- $499 online A 9.5K in the >-->> -->Whitney online site is showing at $569.99 An 8K $449.99 >-->> -->Northern.com (which isn't known for particularly stellar prices >-->> -->in my >-->> -->opinion) even have these Mile Markers at: >-->> -->$469.99 for a 9K >-->> -->$449.99 for the 8K >-->> -->$549.99 for the 9.5k >-->> -->and I've seen the 9.5K on sale for $499 at some online sites... >-->> --> >-->> --> >-->> -->john wrote: >-->> --> >-->> -->> happened by costco this evening and found an 8,000lb winch >-->> -->> for $299.99 >-->> -->> >-->> -->> http://cpeauto.com/de8000lb_winch.htm >-->> -->> >-->> -->> If I could adapt this to attach to a receiver hitch... >-->> -->> The Warn 8k is on sale at fourwheel parts wholesaler for close to $600. >-->> -->> >-->> -->> john >-->> -->> >-->> -->> ---- >-->> -->> >-->> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->> ------------ >-->> -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> -->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->> -->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->> ------------ >-->> -->> >-->> -->> >-->> -->> >-->> --> >-->> --> >-->> -->-- >-->> -->Email was full when packed. Contents may settle during mailing. >-->> -->Avoid inhaling fumes or contact with mucous membranes. >-->> -->Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit. >-->> -->---------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 - offline >-->> -->'88 Grand Wagoneer >-->> --> - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm >-->> -->4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R >-->> -->-3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended >-->> -->brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 >-->> -->Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. >-->> -->'92 Cherokee Laredo - Bone stock >-->> -->'87 Grand Wagoneer - parts >-->> -->'81 Wagoneer - parts >-->> -->...and they say there's only one... >-->> -->---------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -->Registered Linux user #287453 >-->> --> >--> >-->---- >--> >-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->----- >-->** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, >-->Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >-->** >-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->----- >--> >--> >--> >-->"Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" >--> Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, Darren K. Page wrote: >-->If I remember correctly, one of the gotchas was that the Champion is >-->actually rated at 4000 lbs. The fine print states 8000 WITH A PULLEY. Where >-->the Warn is an actual 8000 lbs on a straight line pull... I don't see such fine print on the website, pulled the data here: (should compare the current ratings at load vs. the Warn, I'm sure there will be a difference...) john http://cpeauto.com/de8000lb_winch.htm 1. Cam action Free Spooling clutch. 2. 3 stage planetary gear system. 3. 12ft Remote control switch. 4. Integrated solenoid assembly. 5. Automatic brake in the drum. Specification 1. Rated line pull: 8000 lbs (3,636 Kgs) 2. Motor : Series Wound Motor, 3.6 HP / 2.7 KW (DC 12V) 3. Gear reduction ratio: 210:1 (12v) 4. Cable (Dia C^WL): C^X/16. (D) x 95. (L) C^X mm (D) x 29 m (L) (Over 90ft. useable length with 5 wraps on the winch drum) 5. Drum size (Dia C^WL): C^X.48. (D) x 9. (L), C^X3 mm (D) x 228 mm (L) 6. Overall dimensions (LC^WC^W): 22.05. (L) x 6.69. (W) x 10.24. (H) , 560 mm (L) X 170 mm (W) X 260 mm (H) 7. Mounting bolt pattern: 10.0 "C^W.5" (254mmC^W14.3mm) 8. Weight: 69.30 lbs (31.50 Kgs) Pull, Speed, Amperes, Volt s(First layer) Line Pull Line Speed ft/min (m/min) Current A lb (KN) 12V DC 12V DC 0 24 (7.3) 80 2000(9.0) 13 (3.8) 150 4000(18.0) 9 (2.7) 220 6000(27.2) 7 (2.1) 270 8000(36.0) 5.6 (1.7) 320 Line pull and rope capacity in layer Layer Rated line pull Lb (Kgs) Total rope on drum ft (m) 1. 8000(3636) 19.6(6.0) 2. 6500(2954) 42.6(13.0) 3. 5500(2490) 68.9(21.0) 4. 4800(2170) 95.0(29.0) >--> >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->Darren >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:28 AM >-->To: xj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: cheap winch? >--> >-->most of us would be pulling around 4k with it... >-->typical rule of thumb is 1.5X your weight... >--> >-->I'll be using this with a '91 GW, '83 J10 and a '48 CJ-2A. >--> >-->est. weight 5k, 4k and 2k. >--> >-->I'll use a splitter so I'll be loading the winch to about 2.5 to 3k >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >--> >-->>-->Exactly... >-->>--> If this winch is "rated" at 8K, I wouldn't push it much past 4K..and >-->be safe... >-->>--> Ed >-->>--> web/gadget guru >-->>--> >-->>-->john wrote: >-->>--> not been impressed by milemarker or superwinch... >-->>-->I prefer Warn, but for as little as I'll use this thing I'm thinking >-->>-->this will work well... just need to fabricate a receiver hitch so I >-->>-->can move it between my jeeps... >-->>--> >-->>-->john >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>-->On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, JeepNut wrote: >-->>--> >-->>-->> -->Mile Markers what I'm looking at. >-->>-->> -->Have been highly recommended to me. >-->>-->> -->Looks like a proven tool. www.milemarker.com >-->>-->> --> >-->>-->> -->I've seen the 9K version on sale -at- $499 online A 9.5K in the >-->>-->> -->Whitney online site is showing at $569.99 An 8K $449.99 >-->>-->> -->Northern.com (which isn't known for particularly stellar prices >-->>-->> -->in my >-->>-->> -->opinion) even have these Mile Markers at: >-->>-->> -->$469.99 for a 9K >-->>-->> -->$449.99 for the 8K >-->>-->> -->$549.99 for the 9.5k >-->>-->> -->and I've seen the 9.5K on sale for $499 at some online sites... >-->>-->> --> >-->>-->> --> >-->>-->> -->john wrote: >-->>-->> --> >-->>-->> -->> happened by costco this evening and found an 8,000lb winch >-->>-->> -->> for $299.99 >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> http://cpeauto.com/de8000lb_winch.htm >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> If I could adapt this to attach to a receiver hitch... >-->>-->> -->> The Warn 8k is on sale at fourwheel parts wholesaler for close to >-->$600. >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> john >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> ---- >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>-->> -->> ------------ >-->>-->> -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->>-->> -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->>-->> -->> ** http://freegift.net *** >-->>-->> -->> http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->>-->> -->> ------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>-->> -->> ------------ >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> -->> >-->>-->> --> >-->>-->> --> >-->>-->> -->-- >-->>-->> -->Email was full when packed. Contents may settle during mailing. >-->>-->> -->Avoid inhaling fumes or contact with mucous membranes. >-->>-->> -->Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit. >-->>-->> -->---------------------------------------------------------- >-->>-->> -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 - offline >-->>-->> -->'88 Grand Wagoneer >-->>-->> --> - '81 AMC 360 -.030 over- Edelbrock Performer/1400 600cfm >-->>-->> -->4bbl, TFI System upgrade, TF727 -mild kit- NP229, D44's F/R >-->>-->> -->-3:31- B.J.'s Offroad 6" kit/ drop pittman, stainless extended >-->>-->> -->brake lines, ProComp 3000 shocks, Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15 14 >-->>-->> -->Spoke OEM Wagonwheels, IPF 65/55 lamps...and then some. >-->>-->> -->'92 Cherokee Laredo - Bone stock >-->>-->> -->'87 Grand Wagoneer - parts >-->>-->> -->'81 Wagoneer - parts >-->>-->> -->...and they say there's only one... >-->>-->> -->---------------------------------------------------------- >-->>-->> -->Registered Linux user #287453 >-->>-->> --> >-->>--> >-->>-->---- >-->>--> >-->>-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>-->----- >-->>-->** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, >-->>-->Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->>-->** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >-->>-->** >-->>-->-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->>-->----- >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>-->"Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like >-->traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" >-->>--> Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2360 *************************