From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 24 23:39:16 2006 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, July 25 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2378 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: 1992 4.0 XJ Running Hot w/Borla Headers Re: xj: 1992 4.0 XJ Running Hot w/Borla Headers Re: xj: 1992 4.0 XJ Running Hot w/Borla Headers xj: popcorn/road report... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:20:53 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: 1992 4.0 XJ Running Hot w/Borla Headers hi michael! what makes you think you want to be running around 180? i can't tell what year you're talking about here, but unless it's a *very* early 80s model, they're designed to run in the center of the gauge (that's why they use a 195* 'stat). i'm not seeing you describe anything that sounds like a problem, except that perhaps you're expecting the thing to run cooler than it needs to. when in good trim, that's about where mine is most of the time, and that goes for both here and when playing in the Dez. when things start to get hotter and/when i'm crawling, switching the AC on to engage the Aux Fan usually brings things right back into line. cheers! e '94 4.0 (w/ Borla) Berkeley Secure Channel wrote: > > Hey all, > > I really want to thank you all for the responses I got > on this issue of running hot and all. > > I am able to eliminate a lot of the suggestions as I > know the following: > > Thermostat is good (and works!) > Water pump is new (and pumps well) > All hoses are new > Fan clutch is strong (don't ask, but I tested it) > electric fan is good, and switches on/off as designed > > A few years back, I had the radiator replaced (with an > OEM). I just have a feeling that what was > put in may be something less than perfect. Or yeah, > maybe rust or whatever has clogged it up. > > So I've got my GOOD radiator dude building me a four row > from scratch as I write this. He was > the one who most recently checked out the system and he > also feels confident that the radiator is > the weak point. Besides, plastic radiators are against > my religion so I'll feel closer to god when this > puppy is installed. > > I'll say one thing about runnin' hot - when I go to take > a HotCampShower, that old heat exchanger in > the heater loop sure does put out some nice toasty > H-2-ohhh ! > > I'll post in a week or so and let y'all know if I'm > running down around 180 where I want to be on those > searing late summer days of August. > > Hope yer daimler don't benz, > > Michael > > Borderline Communications NA > Post Office Box 14911 > Berkeley, California USA 94712-5911 > Telephone: 510-845-0110 > Telefax: 510-845-0101 > > http://www.borderline.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: 1992 4.0 XJ Running Hot w/Borla Headers my '99 WJ with both 4.0 and 4.7 run at nearly 200! designed to... gauge was rock solid on both... john On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, ernest breakfield wrote: >-->hi michael! >--> >--> what makes you think you want to be running around 180? i can't tell >-->what year you're talking about here, but unless it's a *very* early 80s >-->model, they're designed to run in the center of the gauge (that's why >-->they use a 195* 'stat). i'm not seeing you describe anything that sounds >-->like a problem, except that perhaps you're expecting the thing to run >-->cooler than it needs to. >--> when in good trim, that's about where mine is most of the time, and >-->that goes for both here and when playing in the Dez. when things start >-->to get hotter and/when i'm crawling, switching the AC on to engage the >-->Aux Fan usually brings things right back into line. >--> >--> >-->cheers! >-->e >--> >-->'94 4.0 (w/ Borla) >-->Berkeley >--> >--> >-->Secure Channel wrote: >-->> >-->> Hey all, >-->> >-->> I really want to thank you all for the responses I got >-->> on this issue of running hot and all. >-->> >-->> I am able to eliminate a lot of the suggestions as I >-->> know the following: >-->> >-->> Thermostat is good (and works!) >-->> Water pump is new (and pumps well) >-->> All hoses are new >-->> Fan clutch is strong (don't ask, but I tested it) >-->> electric fan is good, and switches on/off as designed >-->> >-->> A few years back, I had the radiator replaced (with an >-->> OEM). I just have a feeling that what was >-->> put in may be something less than perfect. Or yeah, >-->> maybe rust or whatever has clogged it up. >-->> >-->> So I've got my GOOD radiator dude building me a four row >-->> from scratch as I write this. He was >-->> the one who most recently checked out the system and he >-->> also feels confident that the radiator is >-->> the weak point. Besides, plastic radiators are against >-->> my religion so I'll feel closer to god when this >-->> puppy is installed. >-->> >-->> I'll say one thing about runnin' hot - when I go to take >-->> a HotCampShower, that old heat exchanger in >-->> the heater loop sure does put out some nice toasty >-->> H-2-ohhh ! >-->> >-->> I'll post in a week or so and let y'all know if I'm >-->> running down around 180 where I want to be on those >-->> searing late summer days of August. >-->> >-->> Hope yer daimler don't benz, >-->> >-->> Michael >-->> >-->> Borderline Communications NA >-->> Post Office Box 14911 >-->> Berkeley, California USA 94712-5911 >-->> Telephone: 510-845-0110 >-->> Telefax: 510-845-0101 >-->> >-->> http://www.borderline.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: 1992 4.0 XJ Running Hot w/Borla Headers I had an opportunity to run all three of my Jeeps (89 Wagoneer LTD, 91 XJ Sport and a 96 JGC) all with the 4.0L-6 and they all run with the temp gage straight up. I believe that is 210 degrees...and the days here on the east coast were stifling... All my Jeeps run that way all the time though...except in the dead of winter. Then sometimes it becomes a problem to even get the heat up high enough to stay warm! Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: my '99 WJ with both 4.0 and 4.7 run at nearly 200! designed to... gauge was rock solid on both... john On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, ernest breakfield wrote: >-->hi michael! >--> >--> what makes you think you want to be running around 180? i can't tell >-->what year you're talking about here, but unless it's a *very* early 80s >-->model, they're designed to run in the center of the gauge (that's why >-->they use a 195* 'stat). i'm not seeing you describe anything that sounds >-->like a problem, except that perhaps you're expecting the thing to run >-->cooler than it needs to. >--> when in good trim, that's about where mine is most of the time, and >-->that goes for both here and when playing in the Dez. when things start >-->to get hotter and/when i'm crawling, switching the AC on to engage the >-->Aux Fan usually brings things right back into line. >--> >--> >-->cheers! >-->e >--> >-->'94 4.0 (w/ Borla) >-->Berkeley >--> >--> >-->Secure Channel wrote: >-->> >-->> Hey all, >-->> >-->> I really want to thank you all for the responses I got >-->> on this issue of running hot and all. >-->> >-->> I am able to eliminate a lot of the suggestions as I >-->> know the following: >-->> >-->> Thermostat is good (and works!) >-->> Water pump is new (and pumps well) >-->> All hoses are new >-->> Fan clutch is strong (don't ask, but I tested it) >-->> electric fan is good, and switches on/off as designed >-->> >-->> A few years back, I had the radiator replaced (with an >-->> OEM). I just have a feeling that what was >-->> put in may be something less than perfect. Or yeah, >-->> maybe rust or whatever has clogged it up. >-->> >-->> So I've got my GOOD radiator dude building me a four row >-->> from scratch as I write this. He was >-->> the one who most recently checked out the system and he >-->> also feels confident that the radiator is >-->> the weak point. Besides, plastic radiators are against >-->> my religion so I'll feel closer to god when this >-->> puppy is installed. >-->> >-->> I'll say one thing about runnin' hot - when I go to take >-->> a HotCampShower, that old heat exchanger in >-->> the heater loop sure does put out some nice toasty >-->> H-2-ohhh ! >-->> >-->> I'll post in a week or so and let y'all know if I'm >-->> running down around 180 where I want to be on those >-->> searing late summer days of August. >-->> >-->> Hope yer daimler don't benz, >-->> >-->> Michael >-->> >-->> Borderline Communications NA >-->> Post Office Box 14911 >-->> Berkeley, California USA 94712-5911 >-->> Telephone: 510-845-0110 >-->> Telefax: 510-845-0101 >-->> >-->> http://www.borderline.com >--> - ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "China says that it will put a man on the moon by 2024. The bad news is it will be one of the dissidents turned over by Yahoo, and China has no plans to bring him back." - Robert X. Cringley, InfoWorld, 07.03.06 - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger^Rs low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: popcorn/road report... Haven't had much luck uploading pictures with my verizon vz620 card... blue screened a couple of times... (hey, anyone have a SuSE Linux driver for it? Anyway, we're almost to Helena, MT. The WJ is doing fine, but is leaking out the rear pinion seal and making a mess... will top it off at one of those mini-lube places... maybe in South Dakota I'll have it fixed if I can find a wrench there I can trust. Went through Glacier today... at the Divide had a rain/hailstorm, lightning and wind... pretty cool. Got a picture of lightning stricking behind the WJ on the east side of Glacier. Will try to upload that one... (can't believe I forgot to bring a CAT5 cable... at a holiday inn express... they're out... almost ran to wally world for one, will wait until morning and my try to upload pictures... Now for the Popcorn report. I think we've got it all sorted out now... Here's the final fleet configuration: '99 WJ 4.7L (no name) Grand Cherokee Laredo - stays (glad we took it) '91 SJ 6.2L Diesel (Omega) Grand Wagoneer - stays (going to heat the 2nd tank) '48 CJ 2A (Alpha) - stays hidden in the carport, comes out every now and then.) '83 SJ 4.0L/AW4 (Superdawg) J10 Stepside, here's where it gets interesting... my wife has totally vetoed the idea of white, which I'm with her on, but she also vetoed the same color as her WJ... she has requested a Black Cherry or, the mutually agreed upon color of ROOT BEER BROWN METALLIC... with a dump bed (light weight version... ;) Which means that I will be selling my '75 J10 Hydraulic dump trailer that comes complete with the onboard deepcycle gel cel, toolbox, aux tank in bed, hydraulic pump, dual cylinders, original Jeep canopy and disc brakes on an empty pumpkin Model 20 controlled by a surge brake controller... fully licensed and titled. No extra charge for any hornets that may have taken up residence. I'll also be selling the '91 300D with the 2.5L Turbo Diesel called Shadowfax. Just had new brakes installed, a/c gone through, new motor mounts and is doing just fine... The '91 Grand Wagoneer will be my daily driver. I am not selling the 300D until the GW is home... :) I'm thinking this could happen THIS September... I'm not sure what to ask for the 300D, it sold pretty quick the last time... ;) Maybe I should do it by bids, open or sealed... In the meantime I need to fix the pinion seal and driver's side door stop on the WJ, swap the trans and install the top on the CJ, and start looking for the tank heater stuff for Omega... may break down and buy the Greasel kit... Well, time for this driver to call it a night... hurt my back running up a trail at Glacier... (dropped my key and someone noticed my hat and told me they'd set it on a rock up at the top... I should know better than to run, but it's hard... I still think I can do two miles in 11:30 like I did almost 30 years ago... My mind is willing, and parts of my body are... but that fifth lumbar gave up back in 1982... :( But it's ok, the pain is making for quite a bit of humor... I guess I look real funny walking around with a glad bag filled with ice hanging out the top of my shorts... :) managed to upload the picture: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/SouthDakota_2006/WJ-lightning.jpg john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2378 *************************