From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 26 14:10:16 2006 From: xj-digest xj-digest Sunday, November 26 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2453 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Re: xj: Injectors RE: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:06:57 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer the military videos I saw of it showed it going through a swamp... I'm kind of thinking that the driver was a bit sheepish and not Jeepish... If my kid can take a Mercedes 300D off road, and another friend of mine a Volvo, and I've taken a Ford Fiesta up trails... I think it's more the driver than the Hummer... of course I want to think that Jeeps are really better... ;) a buddy of mine came over with an H1 and made it up the test hill after a bit of effort... but he did make it... john On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->I think that I remember reading somewhere the differences between the Hummer and the Jeep. >-->The Hummer is really not an offroad vehicle on it's own meritt. The Hummer was designed so that it's wheel track is exactly the same width as an M1 tank. It was designed to *FOLLOW* behind the tank as the tank blazed a trail and knocked down small trees for the Hummer to follow. Therefore it's not very nimble and doesn't can not create a trail of it's own. The Jeep on the other hand was designed to be nimble and actually go around and between trees. It was a scout vehicle that went places before anyone else... >-->So, in the Hummer's defence, there was no way it was going to make it up that hill...there was no M1 tank in front of it! ;-) >-->Ed >-->web/gadget guru >--> >-->john wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >--> >-->http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2316222768844124610&pr=goog-sl >--> >-->try that one. >--> >-->that worked, thanx! amazing... you'd think that H1 could have done >-->better than that... driver???? the way the xj and yj went through there it >-->didn't look all that hard... was waiting for the blazer to go through >-->there... that '87 xj looks a lot like the '90 xj in my drive... >--> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/90-xj.jpg it was my son's >-->friends, my son bought it and he's keeping it here until he gets out >-->of the air force... reminds me, I need to transfer it... might >-->snow tonight. :) >--> >-->>-->John, you have probably been here: >-->>-->http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/index.php >-->>-->Someone there has a FSJ with a GM 6.5. >-->>-->Allen >--> >-->nope... not yet. man, that site is slow... not sure I like >-->digging through bbs & forums to find something... :) nice for >-->a small community of friends, but inefficient for sharing real data... >--> >-->If there is a link directly to the FSJ with the 6.5L that would >-->be cool. I'm putting my 6.2L into my '83 J10 stepside, but it's >-->been over five years... when I get my '91 GW back in a few weeks I >-->might consider doing a 6.5L TD in it... will start gathering pieces >-->and do it my self... might be done in 2008 after I finish grad school. >-->My '48 cj-2a is taking a bit longer than I planned, my friend moved >-->it to a heated shop so we could work on it there and haven't heard >-->from him since... arggghhh... I'm not so sure I'm going to accept >-->help from friends any more... you'd think I'd have learned my lesson >-->already. :) >--> >--> >-->well, I guess this site is having problems anyway: >--> >-->Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded >-->in /var/www/cahuenga.org/jeep2diesel/messages/includes/bbcode.php on line 222 >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> >--> >-->Don't You Love Mistyping URL's.... >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->....when they turn out to be pretty neat. >--> >-->In this case I was trying for Engadget.com, and instead wound up at www.edgadget.com which appears to have lots of Newton software. >--> >--> - ProfessorF from the UK pcpro/macuser forum >--> >-->--------------------------------- >-->Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 05:19:59 -0500 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer I once rescued a Jeepster that was high-centered on a dike with my 67 VW bug! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 1:06 AM Subject: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer > the military videos I saw of it showed it going through a swamp... > > I'm kind of thinking that the driver was a bit sheepish and not Jeepish... > If > my kid can take a Mercedes 300D off road, and another friend of mine a > Volvo, > and I've taken a Ford Fiesta up trails... I think it's more the driver > than > the Hummer... of course I want to think that Jeeps are really better... > ;) > > a buddy of mine came over with an H1 and made it up the test hill after a > bit of > effort... but he did make it... > > john > > On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: > >>-->I think that I remember reading somewhere the differences between the >>Hummer and the Jeep. >>-->The Hummer is really not an offroad vehicle on it's own meritt. The >>Hummer was designed so that it's wheel track is exactly the same width as >>an M1 tank. It was designed to *FOLLOW* behind the tank as the tank blazed >>a trail and knocked down small trees for the Hummer to follow. Therefore >>it's not very nimble and doesn't can not create a trail of it's own. The >>Jeep on the other hand was designed to be nimble and actually go around >>and between trees. It was a scout vehicle that went places before anyone >>else... >>-->So, in the Hummer's defence, there was no way it was going to make it >>up that hill...there was no M1 tank in front of it! ;-) >>-->Ed >>-->web/gadget guru >>--> >>-->john wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Allen Zylstra >>wrote: >>--> >>-->http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2316222768844124610&pr=goog-sl >>--> >-->try that one. >>--> >>-->that worked, thanx! amazing... you'd think that H1 could have done >>-->better than that... driver???? the way the xj and yj went through >>there it >>-->didn't look all that hard... was waiting for the blazer to go through >>-->there... that '87 xj looks a lot like the '90 xj in my drive... >>--> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/90-xj.jpg it was my son's >>-->friends, my son bought it and he's keeping it here until he gets out >>-->of the air force... reminds me, I need to transfer it... might >>-->snow tonight. :) >>--> >>-->>-->John, you have probably been here: >>-->>-->http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/index.php >>-->>-->Someone there has a FSJ with a GM 6.5. >>-->>-->Allen >>--> >>-->nope... not yet. man, that site is slow... not sure I like >>-->digging through bbs & forums to find something... :) nice for >>-->a small community of friends, but inefficient for sharing real data... >>--> >>-->If there is a link directly to the FSJ with the 6.5L that would >>-->be cool. I'm putting my 6.2L into my '83 J10 stepside, but it's >>-->been over five years... when I get my '91 GW back in a few weeks I >>-->might consider doing a 6.5L TD in it... will start gathering pieces >>-->and do it my self... might be done in 2008 after I finish grad school. >>-->My '48 cj-2a is taking a bit longer than I planned, my friend moved >>-->it to a heated shop so we could work on it there and haven't heard >>-->from him since... arggghhh... I'm not so sure I'm going to accept >>-->help from friends any more... you'd think I'd have learned my lesson >>-->already. :) >>--> >>--> >>-->well, I guess this site is having problems anyway: >>--> >>-->Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded >>-->in /var/www/cahuenga.org/jeep2diesel/messages/includes/bbcode.php on >>line 222 >>--> >>--> >>--> >>--> >>--> ---- >>--> >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--> >>--> >>--> >>-->Don't You Love Mistyping URL's.... >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->....when they turn out to be pretty neat. >>--> >>-->In this case I was trying for Engadget.com, and instead wound up at >>www.edgadget.com which appears to have lots of Newton software. >>--> >>--> - ProfessorF from the UK pcpro/macuser forum >>--> >>-->--------------------------------- >>-->Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. >>--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:24:32 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer considering that the H1 doesn't really have any articulation due in part to the fact that one of it's design parameters required it to be able to be dropped from a significant height when being airlifted into action, i don't find it surprising that it couldn't do this while the J**ps could. the most 'off-road' design parameter for the H1 was that it be "able to clear walls up to 24" in height". aside from that, remember, the H1 was primarily designed to survive while being driven by Amerikas top novice drivers in situations where regard for the vehicles well-being wasn't even secondary. i've just returned from the western Mojave again, where the rangers in Death Valley used a (white) mil-surplus H1 for back country patrol; they don't seem to care for it much. ;-p while i've seen *very* seriously modified H1s perform 'adequately' off-road, i've followed a stockish' H1 around in the rough -at- Moab, and wasn't at all impressed with its general off-road ability (mush to the chagrin of it's owner). the only place it would get away from my mildly prepped XJ and my friends Toy Taco was on straight dez roads where the driver was prepared to hammer the vehicle for longer than we were. cheers! e Ed Kummel wrote: > I think that I remember reading somewhere the differences between the Hummer and the Jeep. > The Hummer is really not an offroad vehicle on it's own meritt. The Hummer was designed so that it's wheel track is exactly the same width as an M1 tank. It was designed to *FOLLOW* behind the tank as the tank blazed a trail and knocked down small trees for the Hummer to follow. Therefore it's not very nimble and doesn't can not create a trail of it's own. The Jeep on the other hand was designed to be nimble and actually go around and between trees. It was a scout vehicle that went places before anyone else... > So, in the Hummer's defence, there was no way it was going to make it up that hill...there was no M1 tank in front of it! ;-) > Ed > web/gadget guru > > john wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2316222768844124610&pr=goog-sl > >-->try that one. > > that worked, thanx! amazing... you'd think that H1 could have done > better than that... driver???? the way the xj and yj went through there it > didn't look all that hard... was waiting for the blazer to go through > there... that '87 xj looks a lot like the '90 xj in my drive... > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/90-xj.jpg it was my son's > friends, my son bought it and he's keeping it here until he gets out > of the air force... reminds me, I need to transfer it... might > snow tonight. :) [snippage] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:34:05 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: Injectors david, i know it's a little late now, but considering how cheap and easy it is to change out injectors i wouldn't even bother trying to clean or chase issues on 20 year old injectors; new/rebuilt matched sets are available for ~$150/set or less, and come with all new o-rings. for ex., try these guys: http://www.lindertech.com/ an ex-mechanic friend showed me how using a dental pick to remove the electrical connectors makes it very quick and easy. be sure to only remove the retaining clip partially (only enough to get the connector off), as these things can really fly during removal otherwise! cheers! e David Bierschank wrote: > Hello , > > My wife told me her XJ had a strong gas smell, so I though I would > investigate. What I found is that at least four of the injectors are leaking > (badly) on her 87 4.0L XJ. > > A couple of months ago the Jeep was running poorly, so my local "mechanic" > > did a fuel system cleaning, and all has been well since. Now all of the > sudden this fuel smell as started. > > I am not at all familiar with fuel injected systems. What would cause all > these injectors to start leaking? Do these just snap into place? The leaks > seem to be up by the connectors. > > Do I need to replace these injectors?...... or just some o-ring? .. just > snap them back into place? If anyone has a write up that would be helpful > please send me a link. > > Thanks for insight on this topic. I can provide photos if anyone needs to > see what I am talking about. > > -- > David Bierschank > Okiebinder > > okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > okiebinder-at-cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:55:09 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: RE: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer It is amazin where a small xj will go. My future diesel plans are starting to point toward the sprinter vans. I still think a diesel Jeep would be nice. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net CC: full size jeep list Subject: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:49:25 -0800 (PST) >On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2316222768844124610&pr=goog-sl > >-->try that one. > >that worked, thanx! amazing... you'd think that H1 could have done >better than that... driver???? the way the xj and yj went through there it >didn't look all that hard... was waiting for the blazer to go through >there... that '87 xj looks a lot like the '90 xj in my drive... > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/90-xj.jpg it was my son's >friends, my son bought it and he's keeping it here until he gets out >of the air force... reminds me, I need to transfer it... might >snow tonight. :) > > >-->John, you have probably been here: > >-->http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/index.php > >-->Someone there has a FSJ with a GM 6.5. > >-->Allen > >nope... not yet. man, that site is slow... not sure I like >digging through bbs & forums to find something... :) nice for >a small community of friends, but inefficient for sharing real data... > >If there is a link directly to the FSJ with the 6.5L that would >be cool. I'm putting my 6.2L into my '83 J10 stepside, but it's >been over five years... when I get my '91 GW back in a few weeks I >might consider doing a 6.5L TD in it... will start gathering pieces >and do it my self... might be done in 2008 after I finish grad school. >My '48 cj-2a is taking a bit longer than I planned, my friend moved >it to a heated shop so we could work on it there and haven't heard >from him since... arggghhh... I'm not so sure I'm going to accept >help from friends any more... you'd think I'd have learned my lesson >already. :) > > >well, I guess this site is having problems anyway: > >Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded >in /var/www/cahuenga.org/jeep2diesel/messages/includes/bbcode.php on line 222 > > > > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** Stay up-to-date with your friends through the Windows Live Spaces friends list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:01:05 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Probably true. I had a coworker who told me a K10 chevy would go further offroad than my XJ. I just went between the trees and over the snow piles. Laughing all the way. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Kummel Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Jeeps outclimb an H1 hummer Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:47:45 -0800 (PST) >I think that I remember reading somewhere the differences between the Hummer and the Jeep. >The Hummer is really not an offroad vehicle on it's own meritt. The Hummer was designed so that it's wheel track is exactly the same width as an M1 tank. It was designed to *FOLLOW* behind the tank as the tank blazed a trail and knocked down small trees for the Hummer to follow. Therefore it's not very nimble and doesn't can not create a trail of it's own. The Jeep on the other hand was designed to be nimble and actually go around and between trees. It was a scout vehicle that went places before anyone else... >So, in the Hummer's defence, there was no way it was going to make it up that hill...there was no M1 tank in front of it! ;-) >Ed >web/gadget guru > >john wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: > >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2316222768844124610&pr=goog-sl > >-->try that one. > >that worked, thanx! amazing... you'd think that H1 could have done >better than that... driver???? the way the xj and yj went through there it >didn't look all that hard... was waiting for the blazer to go through >there... that '87 xj looks a lot like the '90 xj in my drive... > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/90-xj.jpg it was my son's >friends, my son bought it and he's keeping it here until he gets out >of the air force... reminds me, I need to transfer it... might >snow tonight. :) > > >-->John, you have probably been here: > >-->http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/index.php > >-->Someone there has a FSJ with a GM 6.5. > >-->Allen > >nope... not yet. man, that site is slow... not sure I like >digging through bbs & forums to find something... :) nice for >a small community of friends, but inefficient for sharing real data... > >If there is a link directly to the FSJ with the 6.5L that would >be cool. I'm putting my 6.2L into my '83 J10 stepside, but it's >been over five years... when I get my '91 GW back in a few weeks I >might consider doing a 6.5L TD in it... will start gathering pieces >and do it my self... might be done in 2008 after I finish grad school. >My '48 cj-2a is taking a bit longer than I planned, my friend moved >it to a heated shop so we could work on it there and haven't heard >from him since... arggghhh... I'm not so sure I'm going to accept >help from friends any more... you'd think I'd have learned my lesson >already. :) > > >well, I guess this site is having problems anyway: > >Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded >in /var/www/cahuenga.org/jeep2diesel/messages/includes/bbcode.php on line 222 > > > > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Don't You Love Mistyping URL's.... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >....when they turn out to be pretty neat. > >In this case I was trying for Engadget.com, and instead wound up at www.edgadget.com which appears to have lots of Newton software. > > - ProfessorF from the UK pcpro/macuser forum > >--------------------------------- >Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! 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