From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 8 16:22:55 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Tuesday, January 9 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2479 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: [db] popcorn adventure? xj: Re: [db] Drive Re: xj: Re: [db] Drive xj: way OT request... Re: xj: way OT request... Re: xj: way OT request... RE: xj: way OT request... Re: xj: way OT request... RE: xj: way OT request... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:52:50 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: xj: Re: [db] popcorn adventure? I will cast my vote for the Jeeps.[IMAGE] Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: Jon Filina CC: full size jeep list , Diesel Benz Subject: Re: [db] popcorn adventure? Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 21:04:24 -0800 (PST) >yeah, yeah, I know... I'm hoping that my Jeep addiction >will get a fix this week with both the '91 GW and the >'48 CJ-2A... both are very close to being ready... :) > >swapping the Benz for the WJ would be an act of >charity to help someone out... I think the WJ >was wrecked once... I haven't even seen it... > >we'll see... I'll be without supervision for >a month while my wife heads back home to take >care of her mom... so we'll see... we'll john >finish his master's project or fill the yard >with Jeeps? :) > >john > >On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Jon Filina wrote: > > > -->John mentioned: > > --> > > -->>a single mom at church was given a WJ... had a few issues... > > -->>the office called me and I got them in touch with the right folks, > > -->>all is good... except the fuel economy... guess she doesn't make > > -->>much... soooo... I'm thinking about offering her my 30mpg Mercedes > > -->>in trade... haven't seen the WJ yet, but it's a Limited with about > > -->>130k on it. My wife is going to be upset with me getting rid of > > -->>our "economy" car and all... :) > > --> > > -->[munch munch] > > --> > > -->Do ya still have the big rubber band on the MB?? It came back once > > -->before... > > --> > > -->Interesting... > > --> > > -->[munch munch] > > --> > > -->Jon > > --> > > -->Incidentally... If that trade were here in Texas, you'd also get a mistress > > -->and access to her trailer house... ;-) If the trade was for a pickup, > > -->though, you'd just get the truck... > > --> > > -->[munch munch] > > --> > > ----- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Drive Chuck, I've always wanted to do something like this, but never had the foresight or technical provisions to make it happen. Down I-5 in 6.5 minutes: http://chuck.goolsbee.org/mov/SEA-SFtimelapse.mov I LOVE IT!!! I'm going to drop this file on my lab system with the 42" Plasma screen and put it into a constant loop... :) I've been down this stretch of I-5 so many times in the last 25 years... (your note says Portland, file name is SEA... which is it? ) How did you do this? BRAVISIMO!!!! four thumbs up!!! john On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->Portland OR to SF in 6.5 minutes: > -->http://chuck.goolsbee.org/mov/SEA-SFtimelapse.mov > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> > --> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:49:39 -0600 From: "David Bierschank" Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Drive Great Job on that Chuck !!!! That was fun to watch. Good thing you had the radar detector on the visor!!! What software did you use on that? Thanks for posting, David On 1/8/07, john wrote: > > Chuck, > > I've always wanted to do something like this, but never had the foresight > or technical provisions to make it happen. > > Down I-5 in 6.5 minutes: > http://chuck.goolsbee.org/mov/SEA-SFtimelapse.mov > > I LOVE IT!!! > > I'm going to drop this file on my lab system with the 42" Plasma screen > and put it into a constant loop... :) > > I've been down this stretch of I-5 so many times in the last 25 years... > (your note says Portland, file name is SEA... which is it? ) > > How did you do this? > > BRAVISIMO!!!! four thumbs up!!! > > john > > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: > > > -->Portland OR to SF in 6.5 minutes: > > -->http://chuck.goolsbee.org/mov/SEA-SFtimelapse.mov > > --> > > -->-- > > -->--chuck goolsbee > > -->02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD > > -->arlington, wa, usa > > --> > > --> > > --> > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- David Bierschank Okiebinder okc67mustang-at-gmail.com okiebinder-at-cox.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: way OT request... I'm working on the Capstone Project for my Masters and need additional data points. I'm looking for folks that have dual booted laptops running WinXP and any variation of Linux. I need battery life data from both OS's... times, hardware, configs, etc. Any additional information about the configuration will be helpful. I'm not planning on including a lot of detail in my report, but having it available for defense of it will be good. It's a lot to ask considering it takes at least two hours of time in Microsoft Windows... :) http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/TCO/Battery-Life.txt email me at: LinuxMeister-at-comcast.net thanx, john (I noticed this increase in operating time while flying to Tokyo last year... used two batteries... in windows I got 3 hrs each... in linux coming back I got close to 5 hrs from each battery! so I started testing other systems and found that Linux (SuSE in particular) lasts at least 30% longer than windows!!! But I want to verify this on multiple platforms and need others to verify my observations!) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:54:13 +0000 (GMT) From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: way OT request... Of course suse is going to use less processing power than Microshaft operating systems. Are you going to include tests from a live linux distribution, such as Whoppix or knoppix running from firmware? Jesse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: john Date: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:41 pm Subject: xj: way OT request... To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > I'm working on the Capstone Project for my Masters and need > additional data points. > > I'm looking for folks that have dual booted laptops running > WinXP and any variation of Linux. > > I need battery life data from both OS's... times, hardware, > configs, etc. > > Any additional information about the configuration will be > helpful. I'm > not planning on including a lot of detail in my report, but > having it > available for defense of it will be good. > > It's a lot to ask considering it takes at least two hours of > time in > Microsoft Windows... :) > > http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/TCO/Battery-Life.txt > > email me at: LinuxMeister-at-comcast.net > > thanx, > john > > > (I noticed this increase in operating time while flying to Tokyo > last year... > used two batteries... in windows I got 3 hrs each... in linux > coming back > I got close to 5 hrs from each battery! so I started testing > other systems > and found that Linux (SuSE in particular) lasts at least 30% > longer than > windows!!! But I want to verify this on multiple platforms and > need others > to verify my observations!) > > > ----- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: way OT request... it's not comparable to WinXP. didn't state all the constraints, but will be comparing both OSs running basic office apps... premise is a 20 person organization so site licenses and support not there... docs, spreadsheets, presentations... use OpenOffice.org s/w on both platforms under test for apple-apple comparison... I did find that running Xandros with crossover and MSoffice brought Linux down to XP times... 120 xp 130 xandros with crossover... running the MS apps in linux sucks the life out of the batteries just like in windows. running from the cd/rom isn't a fair test... :) john On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: >-->Of course suse is going to use less processing power than Microshaft operating systems. Are you going to include tests from a live linux distribution, such as Whoppix or knoppix running from firmware? >--> >-->Jesse. >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: john >-->Date: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:41 pm >-->Subject: xj: way OT request... >-->To: undisclosed-recipients: ; >--> >-->> I'm working on the Capstone Project for my Masters and need >-->> additional data points. >-->> >-->> I'm looking for folks that have dual booted laptops running >-->> WinXP and any variation of Linux. >-->> >-->> I need battery life data from both OS's... times, hardware, >-->> configs, etc. >-->> >-->> Any additional information about the configuration will be >-->> helpful. I'm >-->> not planning on including a lot of detail in my report, but >-->> having it >-->> available for defense of it will be good. >-->> >-->> It's a lot to ask considering it takes at least two hours of >-->> time in >-->> Microsoft Windows... :) >-->> >-->> http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/TCO/Battery-Life.txt >-->> >-->> email me at: LinuxMeister-at-comcast.net >-->> >-->> thanx, >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> (I noticed this increase in operating time while flying to Tokyo >-->> last year... >-->> used two batteries... in windows I got 3 hrs each... in linux >-->> coming back >-->> I got close to 5 hrs from each battery! so I started testing >-->> other systems >-->> and found that Linux (SuSE in particular) lasts at least 30% >-->> longer than >-->> windows!!! But I want to verify this on multiple platforms and >-->> need others >-->> to verify my observations!) >-->> >-->> >-->> ----- >-->> >-->> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -------- >-->> ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, >-->> they mold >-->> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> -------- >--> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:15:01 -0800 From: "Peter J. Ford" Subject: RE: xj: way OT request... I was thinking about adding linux to my laptop but I am currently running MS 2000 Pro and since it works, I don't want to take anychances by "upgrading" to XP. If I do go dual boot would you like me to time the battery life on each? Peter J. Ford J. is for Jeep Jeep Jetta Jeep >From: john >Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >To: undisclosed-recipients: ; >Subject: xj: way OT request... >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:41:35 -0800 (PST) > >I'm working on the Capstone Project for my Masters and need additional >data points. > >I'm looking for folks that have dual booted laptops running WinXP and any >variation of Linux. > >I need battery life data from both OS's... times, hardware, configs, etc. > >Any additional information about the configuration will be helpful. I'm >not planning on including a lot of detail in my report, but having it >available for defense of it will be good. > >It's a lot to ask considering it takes at least two hours of time in >Microsoft Windows... :) > > http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/TCO/Battery-Life.txt > >email me at: LinuxMeister-at-comcast.net > >thanx, >john > > >(I noticed this increase in operating time while flying to Tokyo last >year... >used two batteries... in windows I got 3 hrs each... in linux coming back >I got close to 5 hrs from each battery! so I started testing other >systems >and found that Linux (SuSE in particular) lasts at least 30% longer than >windows!!! But I want to verify this on multiple platforms and need others >to verify my observations!) > > > ----- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:17:36 +0000 (GMT) From: barbierij-at-optonline.net Subject: Re: xj: way OT request... Yeah, i was thinking more along the lines of thumb or flash drive. Just imagine...someday a diskless laptop (minus the DVD) with the storage of a desktop. - ----- Original Message ----- From: john Date: Monday, January 8, 2007 7:01 pm Subject: Re: xj: way OT request... To: xj-at-digest.net > it's not comparable to WinXP. > > didn't state all the constraints, but will be comparing > both OSs running basic office apps... premise is a 20 person > organizationso site licenses and support not there... > > docs, spreadsheets, presentations... use OpenOffice.org s/w on > both platforms > under test for apple-apple comparison... > > I did find that running Xandros with crossover and MSoffice > brought Linux > down to XP times... 120 xp 130 xandros with crossover... > running the MS apps > in linux sucks the life out of the batteries just like in windows. > > running from the cd/rom isn't a fair test... :) > > john > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, barbierij-at-optonline.net wrote: > > >-->Of course suse is going to use less processing power than > Microshaft operating systems. Are you going to include tests > from a live linux distribution, such as Whoppix or knoppix > running from firmware? > >--> > >-->Jesse. > >--> > >-->----- Original Message ----- > >-->From: john > >-->Date: Monday, January 8, 2007 6:41 pm > >-->Subject: xj: way OT request... > >-->To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > >--> > >-->> I'm working on the Capstone Project for my Masters and > need > >-->> additional data points. > >-->> > >-->> I'm looking for folks that have dual booted laptops > running > >-->> WinXP and any variation of Linux. > >-->> > >-->> I need battery life data from both OS's... times, > hardware, > >-->> configs, etc. > >-->> > >-->> Any additional information about the configuration will be > >-->> helpful. I'm > >-->> not planning on including a lot of detail in my report, > but > >-->> having it > >-->> available for defense of it will be good. > >-->> > >-->> It's a lot to ask considering it takes at least two hours > of > >-->> time in > >-->> Microsoft Windows... :) > >-->> > >-->> http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/TCO/Battery-Life.txt > >-->> > >-->> email me at: LinuxMeister-at-comcast.net > >-->> > >-->> thanx, > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> (I noticed this increase in operating time while flying to > Tokyo > >-->> last year... > >-->> used two batteries... in windows I got 3 hrs each... in > linux > >-->> coming back > >-->> I got close to 5 hrs from each battery! so I started > testing > >-->> other systems > >-->> and found that Linux (SuSE in particular) lasts at least > 30% > >-->> longer than > >-->> windows!!! But I want to verify this on multiple platforms > and > >-->> need others > >-->> to verify my observations!) > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> ----- > >-->> > >-->> ----------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > >-->> -------- > >-->> ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > >-->> they mold > >-->> ----------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > >-->> -------- > >--> > > ----- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: xj: way OT request... yes, having a W2K instance as a reality check would add some extra validation to my study... I suspect it'll be the same, or better than XP. I have info on dualbooting on my server somewhere... it won't hurt windows... http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/DualBootLaptop.pdf when dual booting a system always do Microsoft first, then the Linux/BSD variant... MS doesn't play well with others and will either ignore it or step on it, either way if you do it last you'll have to reinstall or fix the Linux setup. john On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Peter J. Ford wrote: > -->I was thinking about adding linux to my laptop but I am currently running MS > -->2000 Pro and since it works, I don't want to take anychances by "upgrading" > -->to XP. If I do go dual boot would you like me to time the battery life on > -->each? > --> > -->Peter J. Ford > -->J. is for Jeep Jeep Jetta Jeep > --> > --> > -->>From: john > -->>Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > -->>To: undisclosed-recipients: ; > -->>Subject: xj: way OT request... > -->>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:41:35 -0800 (PST) > -->> > -->>I'm working on the Capstone Project for my Masters and need additional > -->>data points. > -->> > -->>I'm looking for folks that have dual booted laptops running WinXP and any > -->>variation of Linux. > -->> > -->>I need battery life data from both OS's... times, hardware, configs, etc. > -->> > -->>Any additional information about the configuration will be helpful. I'm > -->>not planning on including a lot of detail in my report, but having it > -->>available for defense of it will be good. > -->> > -->>It's a lot to ask considering it takes at least two hours of time in > -->>Microsoft Windows... :) > -->> > -->> http://wagoneers.com/CS/LINUX/TCO/Battery-Life.txt > -->> > -->>email me at: LinuxMeister-at-comcast.net > -->> > -->>thanx, > -->>john > -->> > -->> > -->>(I noticed this increase in operating time while flying to Tokyo last > -->>year... > -->>used two batteries... in windows I got 3 hrs each... in linux coming back > -->>I got close to 5 hrs from each battery! so I started testing other > -->>systems > -->>and found that Linux (SuSE in particular) lasts at least 30% longer than > -->>windows!!! But I want to verify this on multiple platforms and need others > -->>to verify my observations!) > -->> > -->> > -->> ----- > -->> > -->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --> > -->_________________________________________________________________ > -->Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place! MSN Shopping > -->Sales & Deals > -->http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 > --> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2479 *************************