From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 24 14:56:15 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, January 24 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2491 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again RE: xj: transfer cases Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:21:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again I love how in the description it lists the exterior as "brown" when the picture clearly shows a white jeep! Ed web/gadget guru john wrote: wow, the '97s aren't priced very high... only $3,500 if good? not a bad looking rig, easy enough to fix... john On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->This one may be a deal. Light deer damage and not too far away. Visions >-->of a XMJd are dancing in my head. >--> >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190075685232&rd=1&rd=1 >--> >-->John, you have flat towed before right? I have seen inexpensive tow bars >-->at northern tool and harbor freight. Might be a good investment and tow >-->it home. >--> >-->Allen >--> >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> From: "Allen Zylstra" >--> Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >--> To: xj-at-digest.net >--> Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again >--> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:18:03 -0600 >--> >I wanted an MJ, but I need room for the kids. The thought of a >--> blended >--> >XJ/MJ plus diesel has been in my head already. I was thinking of a >--> 4 >--> >door XJ cut at the c pillar with a MJ shortbed on the back. Then a >--> >cummins 4bt. >--> > >--> >I have a budget of $1500. Think it can be done. >--> > >--> >Allen >--> > >--> > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > >--> > From: "Jim Blair" >--> > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >--> > To: xj-at-digest.net >--> > Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again >--> > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:18:05 -0800 >--> > >A: If I ever get an XJ again (I prefer my MJs) I will swap out >--> the >--> > >tall buckets for the bench seat (gives me more headroom and >--> doesn't >--> > >flop around) If I had an unlimited (well, high limit anyways) >--> toy >--> > >budget, I would take a 2 dr XJ and graft the whole front to an >--> MJ at >--> > >the B pillar to make a bigger cab. (XJ/MJs Cheromanche is pretty >--> > >cool and he's selling it for a fairly high price, but it's well >--> done >--> > >by a professional welder/machinist) 8th month of '90 was the >--> switch >--> > >and except for the sensors that are starting to go away, the >--> Renix >--> > >has been very good to me. I spray ALL the truck's electrical >--> > >connectors with contact cleaner/anti-corrode when I first get >--> them. >--> > > >--> > > >--> > >From: john >--> > >Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again >--> > > >--> > >the break was mid-year '90. The HO's are non-Renix. >--> > > >--> > >my research indicated that '96 was one of the best years... >--> > >early >--> > >'90's had piston slap issues... nothing wrong with Renix. My >--> > >son actually prefers the Renix... I never had trouble with a >--> > >Renix, have >--> > >had 12 XJs, only two with non-Renix... it's only a handful of >--> > >folks >--> > >that have had issues... but they're quite vocal. ;) >--> > > >--> > >john >--> > > >--> > >--> >_________________________________________________________________ >--> > >FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo ^V buy and sell >--> with >--> > >people you know >--> > >--> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 >--> > >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--> > >--> >Valentine^Rs Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >--> >-->Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. >--> - ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't You Love Mistyping URL's.... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ....when they turn out to be pretty neat. In this case I was trying for Engadget.com, and instead wound up at www.edgadget.com which appears to have lots of Newton software. - ProfessorF from the UK pcpro/macuser forum - --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:39:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->I love how in the description it lists the exterior as "brown" when the picture clearly shows a white jeep! >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru ads are amazing... especially from clueless dealers... they'll list the 4.0 as a V6... if you ask what kind of 4x4 system it has they are totally clueless... ya never know what they've really got. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:43:49 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again It is about 550 miles away is the only problem. Remember now that a 97 is 10 years old. My insurance and tags are cheap though. I need to check with some people that I know frequent that area to see if I could work out a deal on pickup or getting a ride. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:10:54 -0800 (PST) >wow, the '97s aren't priced very high... only $3,500 if good? > >not a bad looking rig, easy enough to fix... > >john > >On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > >-->This one may be a deal. Light deer damage and not too far away. Visions > >-->of a XMJd are dancing in my head. > >--> > >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190075685232&rd=1&rd=1 > >--> > >-->John, you have flat towed before right? I have seen inexpensive tow bars > >-->at northern tool and harbor freight. Might be a good investment and tow > >-->it home. > >--> > >-->Allen > >--> > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > >--> From: "Allen Zylstra" > >--> Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again > >--> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:18:03 -0600 > >--> >I wanted an MJ, but I need room for the kids. The thought of a > >--> blended > >--> >XJ/MJ plus diesel has been in my head already. I was thinking of a > >--> 4 > >--> >door XJ cut at the c pillar with a MJ shortbed on the back. Then a > >--> >cummins 4bt. > >--> > > >--> >I have a budget of $1500. Think it can be done. > >--> > > >--> >Allen > >--> > > >--> > > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > > >--> > From: "Jim Blair" > >--> > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> > To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> > Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again > >--> > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:18:05 -0800 > >--> > >A: If I ever get an XJ again (I prefer my MJs) I will swap out > >--> the > >--> > >tall buckets for the bench seat (gives me more headroom and > >--> doesn't > >--> > >flop around) If I had an unlimited (well, high limit anyways) > >--> toy > >--> > >budget, I would take a 2 dr XJ and graft the whole front to an > >--> MJ at > >--> > >the B pillar to make a bigger cab. (XJ/MJs Cheromanche is pretty > >--> > >cool and he's selling it for a fairly high price, but it's well > >--> done > >--> > >by a professional welder/machinist) 8th month of '90 was the > >--> switch > >--> > >and except for the sensors that are starting to go away, the > >--> Renix > >--> > >has been very good to me. I spray ALL the truck's electrical > >--> > >connectors with contact cleaner/anti-corrode when I first get > >--> them. > >--> > > > >--> > > > >--> > >From: john > >--> > >Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again > >--> > > > >--> > >the break was mid-year '90. The HO's are non-Renix. > >--> > > > >--> > >my research indicated that '96 was one of the best years... > >--> > >early > >--> > >'90's had piston slap issues... nothing wrong with Renix. My > >--> > >son actually prefers the Renix... I never had trouble with a > >--> > >Renix, have > >--> > >had 12 XJs, only two with non-Renix... it's only a handful of > >--> > >folks > >--> > >that have had issues... but they're quite vocal. ;) > >--> > > > >--> > >john > >--> > > > >--> > > >--> >_________________________________________________________________ > >--> > >FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo ^V buy and sell > >--> with > >--> > >people you know > >--> > > >--> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 > >--> > > >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >--> > > >--> >Valentine^Rs Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > >--> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >--> > >-->Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > >--> > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:48:46 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: RE: xj: transfer cases I haven't broken one yet. I am light footed to conserve gas. I have heard mention on the 4x sites that people like to swap to a 231. Maybe it is for another reason. I am not going to beat on my vehicle that needs to bring me to work. Of course the XJ plans include 3 inches of lift and 30s or 31s. I want a XJ SUT. I'll keep dreamin. I guess I may have the honors of SE monster garage. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: xj: transfer cases Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:17:20 -0800 (PST) >On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > >-->I have the 242 in the ZJ and it was in my 88 XJ. The full-time mode does > >-->come in handy and I also had the difficulty of disengaging 4wd on both > >-->vehicles. Usually going from drive to neutral releases it. > >that ezine article talked about that disengaging issue and offers >a suggestion, my '88 did the same thing... > > >-->My wheeling usually consists of trips to the redneck junkyard where they > >-->let me drive on back and pull my own parts. Home in IA and MN the > >-->full-time is nice in the snow and ice. > >nice on wet roads when you have a heavy right foot too. :) > > > >-->My 86 XJ had the command trac 231 which functioned great. That Jeep saw > >-->the hardest off-road use. > >--> > >-->76 CJ5 I don't know what it had, but the scout has a dana 300 twin > >-->stick. 2wd low range plus the added gear over under drive unit. > >either a Dana 20 or a Dana 300. > > >-->Vote for usable 4wd is the 242 due to the choices. Probably not as > >-->durable right? > >no, it's fine... in fact, the HD version was used in the original Hummers... > >john > > >--> > >-->Allen > >--> > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > >--> From: john > >--> Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> To: Neal Hoover > >--> CC: Jim Blair , landon.tesar-at-freescale.com, > >--> full size jeep list , xj-list , > >--> 1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com > >--> Subject: xj: transfer cases > >--> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:29:18 -0800 (PST) > >--> >that's right, the 242 is a differentiated unit. > >--> > > >--> >http://www.crownautomotive.net/catalog/transfer_case/np_242.html > >--> >http://ezinearticles.com/?Jeep-Select-Trac-NP-242-Transfer-Case-Information&id=281045 > >--> > > >--> >the 229, 219 and a couple others are viscous... be interesting > >--> >to see which are... > >--> > > >--> >hmmm... crown says 228 is viscous as well???? > >--> >http://www.crownautomotive.net/catalog/transfer_case/np_228_229.html > >--> > > >--> > > >--> >http://www.crownautomotive.net/catalog/transfer_case/index.html > >--> > > >--> > > >--> >looks like 247 and 249 (ZJ and WJ) > >--> >http://www.crownautomotive.net/catalog/transfer_case/viscous_coupling.htm > >--> > > >--> >john > >--> > > >--> >On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: > >--> > > >--> > >-->fwiw, the 242 found in XJs has no viscous coupling. it's a > >--> completely open > >--> > >-->diff in the 'case when in "full time" mode. in part-time mode, > >--> it's a 50/50 > >--> > >-->split, of course. > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->Neal A. Hoover > >--> > >-->Project '76 J-10 > >--> > >-->Project '96 XJ > >--> > >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->----- Original Message ----- > >--> > >-->From: "Jim Blair" > >--> > >-->To: ; ; > >--> ; > >--> > >--><1FSJ-at-yahoogroups.com> > >--> > >-->Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:09 AM > >--> > >-->Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Spirit of the Eagle > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->> A: Nope. Viscous couplers should only be behind autos, but it > >--> doesn't have > >--> > >-->> to be the other way around. Jeep XJs for example run an NP242 > >--> similar to > >--> > >-->the > >--> > >-->> NP228 with auto and also run NP231 and NP207 which is roughly > >--> equivalent > >--> > >-->to > >--> > >-->> the NP208J used in FSJs with 999 or 727. > >--> > >-->> > >--> > >-->> > >--> > >-->> I thought auto trans should have only viscous transfer cases > >--> > >-->> behind...sort of a fluid with fluid vs. gears with gears > >--> > >-->> approach...(key > >--> > >-->> word 'thought') but interested in others' experience. > >--> > >-->> > >--> > >-->> - Landon > >--> > >-->> > >--> > >-->> > >--> _________________________________________________________________ > >--> > >-->> Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide > >--> to the > >--> > >-->Academy > >--> > >-->> Awards. > >--> http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > > >--> > ----- > >--> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > >--> mold > >--> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into > >-->something more. > >--> > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:52:44 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again Looks like he swapped the interior and exterior colors. Guys I asked the seller if it does really have the up country package. The answer was vague and he said it was a Country Sport Model. It is a selection when checking the kbb.com value, but I don't know if that means it has the up country package or not. Would be a nice touch if it did. Anyone here live near it? I have been to that exact little town in HS on a missions trip. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed Kummel Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:21:01 -0800 (PST) >I love how in the description it lists the exterior as "brown" when the picture clearly shows a white jeep! > Ed > web/gadget guru > >john wrote: > wow, the '97s aren't priced very high... only $3,500 if good? > >not a bad looking rig, easy enough to fix... > >john > >On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > >-->This one may be a deal. Light deer damage and not too far away. Visions > >-->of a XMJd are dancing in my head. > >--> > >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=190075685232&rd=1&rd=1 > >--> > >-->John, you have flat towed before right? I have seen inexpensive tow bars > >-->at northern tool and harbor freight. Might be a good investment and tow > >-->it home. > >--> > >-->Allen > >--> > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > >--> From: "Allen Zylstra" > >--> Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again > >--> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:18:03 -0600 > >--> >I wanted an MJ, but I need room for the kids. The thought of a > >--> blended > >--> >XJ/MJ plus diesel has been in my head already. I was thinking of a > >--> 4 > >--> >door XJ cut at the c pillar with a MJ shortbed on the back. Then a > >--> >cummins 4bt. > >--> > > >--> >I have a budget of $1500. Think it can be done. > >--> > > >--> >Allen > >--> > > >--> > > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > > >--> > From: "Jim Blair" > >--> > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> > To: xj-at-digest.net > >--> > Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again > >--> > Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:18:05 -0800 > >--> > >A: If I ever get an XJ again (I prefer my MJs) I will swap out > >--> the > >--> > >tall buckets for the bench seat (gives me more headroom and > >--> doesn't > >--> > >flop around) If I had an unlimited (well, high limit anyways) > >--> toy > >--> > >budget, I would take a 2 dr XJ and graft the whole front to an > >--> MJ at > >--> > >the B pillar to make a bigger cab. (XJ/MJs Cheromanche is pretty > >--> > >cool and he's selling it for a fairly high price, but it's well > >--> done > >--> > >by a professional welder/machinist) 8th month of '90 was the > >--> switch > >--> > >and except for the sensors that are starting to go away, the > >--> Renix > >--> > >has been very good to me. I spray ALL the truck's electrical > >--> > >connectors with contact cleaner/anti-corrode when I first get > >--> them. > >--> > > > >--> > > > >--> > >From: john > >--> > >Subject: Re: xj: I got the XJ itch again > >--> > > > >--> > >the break was mid-year '90. The HO's are non-Renix. > >--> > > > >--> > >my research indicated that '96 was one of the best years... > >--> > >early > >--> > >'90's had piston slap issues... nothing wrong with Renix. My > >--> > >son actually prefers the Renix... I never had trouble with a > >--> > >Renix, have > >--> > >had 12 XJs, only two with non-Renix... it's only a handful of > >--> > >folks > >--> > >that have had issues... but they're quite vocal. ;) > >--> > > > >--> > >john > >--> > > > >--> > > >--> >_________________________________________________________________ > >--> > >FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo ^V buy and sell > >--> with > >--> > >people you know > >--> > > >--> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 > >--> > > >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >--> > > >--> >Valentine^Rs Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping > >--> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >--> > >-->Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. > >--> > >----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Don't You Love Mistyping URL's.... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >....when they turn out to be pretty neat. > >In this case I was trying for Engadget.com, and instead wound up at www.edgadget.com which appears to have lots of Newton software. > > - ProfessorF from the UK pcpro/macuser forum > >--------------------------------- >Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! 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