From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 7 14:26:10 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Wednesday, February 7 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2507 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Re: xj: lifting thoughts, kits, etc. Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Re: xj: lifting thoughts, kits, etc. XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:39:10 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured That is a concern for me. I have seen very few XJs that needed trans repairs. There is more jeeps out there. I just saw one on craigslist for $500 that needs an engine. I know of XJ that has been wheeled hard, but has a good engine and trans I think I could get cheap. Might need to see if I can put something together. Or just wait until another one comes up for $1200. I can swing that. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ernest breakfield Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:40:21 -0800 >after going through no less that 4 different factory remanufactured >transmissions (some of which needed parts replaced on them almost >immediately after installation, before they failed completely for >other reasons), i'd run, not walk, away from anything with a rebuilt >trans; you just don't know what you're getting into with the >rebuilding process. > considering my first one went over 200K miles before needing any >attention (and we only swapped it out because it was beginning to >leak), i'd say you should be able to keep looking and find one >that's all original. > > >cheers! >e > > >Allen Zylstra wrote: >>I just sold an engine to a guy that has a 1991 xj fitting my needs. >>Supposedly has 150K and a rebuilt trans for $1200. From Alabama so >>no >>rust. Pictures make it look like a base model. >>http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep2.jpg >>http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep1.jpg >>Price >>seems fair. What you guys think. Allen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:42:00 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured I will have to get more info on it. He said he spent $800 for the trans rebuild and I think he did the install. He just sold two other XJs. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Bierschank" Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:53:43 -0600 >That would send a flag up for me as well. That was one concern, I also had >when reading the description. It's all in who rebuilt it and what parts did >they use. Everything else would need to be in great shape for me to over >come a potential trans problem, unless you can do your own work or have any >extra laying around. > >On the other hand $1200 or less is hard to walk away from if is a good >running Jeep. > >David > > >On 2/7/07, ernest breakfield wrote: > > > > after going through no less that 4 different factory remanufactured > > transmissions (some of which needed parts replaced on them almost > > immediately after installation, before they failed completely for other > > reasons), i'd run, not walk, away from anything with a rebuilt trans; > > you just don't know what you're getting into with the rebuilding process. > > considering my first one went over 200K miles before needing any > > attention (and we only swapped it out because it was beginning to leak), > > i'd say you should be able to keep looking and find one that's all > > original. > > > > > > cheers! > > e > > > > > > Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > I just sold an engine to a guy that has a 1991 xj fitting my needs. > > > Supposedly has 150K and a rebuilt trans for $1200. From Alabama so no > > > rust. Pictures make it look like a base model. > > > http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep2.jpg > > > http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep1.jpg Price > > > seems fair. What you guys think. Allen > > > > > >-- >David Bierschank >Okiebinder > >okc67mustang-at-gmail.com >okiebinder-at-cox.net - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:16:49 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured $800?! more flags,... when i was researching dealing with my trans issues, i couldn't find any repuatable rebuilder anywhere that would do it for that kind of money,... also, why would he want to sell it for only $400 more than he paid to do the tranny rebuild? cheers! e Allen Zylstra wrote: > I will have to get more info on it. He said he spent $800 for the trans > rebuild and I think he did the install. He just sold two other XJs. > > Allen > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "David Bierschank" > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:53:43 -0600 > >That would send a flag up for me as well. That was one concern, I > also had > >when reading the description. It's all in who rebuilt it and what > parts did > >they use. Everything else would need to be in great shape for me to > over > >come a potential trans problem, unless you can do your own work or > have any > >extra laying around. > > > >On the other hand $1200 or less is hard to walk away from if is a > good > >running Jeep. > > > >David > > > > > >On 2/7/07, ernest breakfield > wrote: > > > > > > after going through no less that 4 different factory > remanufactured > > > transmissions (some of which needed parts replaced on them almost > > > immediately after installation, before they failed completely for > other > > > reasons), i'd run, not walk, away from anything with a rebuilt > trans; > > > you just don't know what you're getting into with the rebuilding > process. > > > considering my first one went over 200K miles before needing > any > > > attention (and we only swapped it out because it was beginning to > leak), > > > i'd say you should be able to keep looking and find one that's > all > > > original. > > > > > > > > > cheers! > > > e > > > > > > > > > Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > > I just sold an engine to a guy that has a 1991 xj fitting my > needs. > > > > Supposedly has 150K and a rebuilt trans for $1200. From > Alabama so no > > > > rust. Pictures make it look like a base model. > > > > > http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep2.jpg > > > > > http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep1.jpg > Price > > > > seems fair. What you guys think. Allen > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >David Bierschank > >Okiebinder > > > >okc67mustang-at-gmail.com > >okiebinder-at-cox.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to > the Academy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:15:48 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: lifting thoughts, kits, etc. hi bob! first question i guess should be; what do you plan to do with it? reason i ask is, with a heavy-duty (read: taller) version of an OME lift that i've customized by stacking an extra set of extra coil isolators in the front and using MJ shackles in the rear, if i disconnect the anti-sway bar (i'm using TeraFlex disconnects, and have no rear anti-sway bar), there's enough flex that i had rubbing in all four corners using 'just' 30' MT/Rs. point being, if you're going to flex it up and you're intent on using 31s, you'll probably need to plan on more lift (read: more money), or at least some body mods to clear the tires. note that even at my relatively mild (by this lists standards) lift, i found that even with the axle shimmed to correct the pinion angle caused by the longer shackles, the u-joints in the front of the rear driveshaft were biting their yokes up in some situations (even on the street), and needed to address that. i allegedly could have just used the YJ slip yoke (which allegedly has better clearance) but the working angles of the u-joints still would have been beyond Spicer/Danas specs. i ended up remedying the situation by using a longer driveshaft and having the T'Case modified with (amongst other things) a short-output tail cone kit to address this (and other) issues. that said, i now find the OME lift to be very satisfactory. i ordered mine delivered with new stock bushings pressed into the heavier duty rear springs (which are taller than standard but have the same spring rate) knowing that i'd be likely to be carrying a full camping load when wheeling. i also chose the standard N35/N36 shocks instead of the N35C/N36C Comfort Series because i prefer a ride that errs on the firm side when unladen as opposed to a ride that's too 'gooshy' (technical term!) when doing what i really want to be doing with the thing. in use, the thing is a bit on the firm side when running around town unless i keep some weight in it, but *perfect* when loaded up and doing its thing on the trail. (note: i acknowledge that ride is subjective; after racing autocross, i may have a tolerance for a firmer ride than some people, but i have no tolerance for harshness.) if you want a nice riding rig that will do surprisingly nice trail work and still maintain good streetabiliy and a reasonable Center of Gravity, the basic OME kit and a set of ant-sway bar disconnects will get you a surprisingly long way with some good 30s. if you're set on going to 31s, or want to get another 1/2" lift by using coil isolators and/or longer shackles as i did, be forewarned that that next 1/2" of axle clearance can cost you as much more more than the everything you've done so far. cheers! e '94 XJ 4.0 OME (modified) and TeraFlex, AW4 (#5, and counting,...), NP231 ( Conversions custom), MT/Rs, blah blah Bob Carlson wrote: > I am beginning to look at lifting my 94 Cherokee mildly, possibly with a > 2-3" lift as I am looking to run ~31" tires. The XJ will still be my daily > driver, so I am not really concerned with going bigger (that's what the 86' > FSJ project is for!) and am wondering if any of you would share with me your > past/present dealings' with the lift(s) you have/had put on your Jeep. I'm > wanting to get a lift with: > - post purchase support from the manufacturer/dealer (for those times when, > for one reason or another a part is missing or damaged during transit), > - a complete kit would be nice, but not necessary; I do want to try a limit > the number of purchasing points if at all possible (you know, purchasing > shocks from vendor A, bushings from vendor B, springs from C, etc., etc.) > - some sort of detailed instructional sheet/book is always beneficial (not > that I couldn't figure it out on my own, but it would help to decrease the > wrenching time) > - I definitely want a kit/setup that comes with full rear springs, no > add-a-leaf's > > > thanks, > - Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:47:19 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured The jeep books for about $1400. I guess he wants to unload it. I am 2 hours away from it, so I am going to get all the info I can before making a trip. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ernest breakfield Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:16:49 -0800 >$800?! more flags,... > > when i was researching dealing with my trans issues, i couldn't >find any repuatable rebuilder anywhere that would do it for that >kind of money,... > also, why would he want to sell it for only $400 more than he >paid to do the tranny rebuild? > > >cheers! >e > > >Allen Zylstra wrote: >>I will have to get more info on it. He said he spent $800 for the >>trans >>rebuild and I think he did the install. He just sold two other >>XJs. >> >>Allen >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: "David Bierschank" >> Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >> To: xj-at-digest.net >> Subject: Re: xj: xj itch may be cured >> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:53:43 -0600 >> >That would send a flag up for me as well. That was one concern, >>I >> also had >> >when reading the description. It's all in who rebuilt it and >>what >> parts did >> >they use. Everything else would need to be in great shape for >>me to >> over >> >come a potential trans problem, unless you can do your own work >>or >> have any >> >extra laying around. >> > >> >On the other hand $1200 or less is hard to walk away from if is >>a >> good >> >running Jeep. >> > >> >David >> > >> > >> >On 2/7/07, ernest breakfield >> wrote: >> > > >> > > after going through no less that 4 different factory >> remanufactured >> > > transmissions (some of which needed parts replaced on them >>almost >> > > immediately after installation, before they failed >>completely for >> other >> > > reasons), i'd run, not walk, away from anything with a >>rebuilt >> trans; >> > > you just don't know what you're getting into with the >>rebuilding >> process. >> > > considering my first one went over 200K miles before >>needing >> any >> > > attention (and we only swapped it out because it was >>beginning to >> leak), >> > > i'd say you should be able to keep looking and find one >>that's >> all >> > > original. >> > > >> > > >> > > cheers! >> > > e >> > > >> > > >> > > Allen Zylstra wrote: >> > > > I just sold an engine to a guy that has a 1991 xj fitting >>my >> needs. >> > > > Supposedly has 150K and a rebuilt trans for $1200. From >> Alabama so no >> > > > rust. Pictures make it look like a base model. >> > > > >> >>http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep2.jpg >> > > > >> >>http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t82/JeepXJsource/1991Jeep1.jpg >> Price >> > > > seems fair. What you guys think. Allen >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >David Bierschank >> >Okiebinder >> > >> >okc67mustang-at-gmail.com >> >okiebinder-at-cox.net >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment >>Guide to >>the Academy Awards. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:25:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: lifting thoughts, kits, etc. I'm not sure where they're at, CA and WA for sure, maybe elsewhere... john On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Bob Carlson wrote: >-->I may very well look at Hell Creek, especially considering they;re >-->practically in my back yard (I'm located in Jackson, MS, and New Albany, MS >-->is only about a 3 hour drive from here) Whatever route (life manufacturer) >-->I do plan on replacing both the front and rear springs with new. Some may >-->like the the booster block setup, longer shackles, blocks, etc., I myself >-->like the clean look of a full spring pack or coil, with no assists. >--> >-->Thanks to everyone for the input so far. I'd gotten a lot of conflicting >-->"buddy" input, mainly from those I know who have radically lifted full size >-->trucks, or 'mud dawg' CJ's. >-->While I don't mind paying for a decent kit/parts, I want to try to eliminate >-->as many "gotchas" during the install as possible; there's nothing I dislike >-->more than having to pause a project to go purchase some other part because >-->it either wasn't included in the initial purchase, or mentioned that I'd be >-->needing it as well. >--> >-->John, I suppose Central 4wd is physically located up in your neck of the >-->woods? >--> >-->On 2/7/07, Michael Vazzana wrote: >-->> >-->> I installed Hell Creek 3" lift kit on my 91 XJ and put a set of 31's on >-->> American Racing 15" alloy rims. Very nice. The owner of Hell Creek >-->> makes his own leaf springs and supplies Rough Country shocks with >-->> boots. I highly recommend Tom Laher at Hell Creek who is extremely >-->> helpful to the uninitiated and provides all the support you could ever >-->> ask for (662-534-2216). >-->> Michael >-->> >-->> Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->> > I would go at least 3" or the tires may rub. Good idea with the new >-->> > springs as the old ones are probably sagging so blocks and shackles >-->> > wouldn't give you the full benefit of a lift. Are you planning to use >-->> > new lift springs in front also? Sounds like you and I have the same >-->> > plans, but I was thinking 3-4" of lift for 31s. I have never had a >-->> > lifted XJ, but my 86 2 door rubbed alot with 30s. They would rub going >-->> > over bumps if I had rear seat passengers. >-->> > >-->> > Allen >-->> > >-->> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> > >-->> > From: "Bob Carlson" >-->> > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> > To: xj-at-digest.net >-->> > Subject: xj: lifting thoughts, kits, etc. >-->> > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:07:45 -0600 >-->> > >I am beginning to look at lifting my 94 Cherokee mildly, possibly >-->> > with a >-->> > >2-3" lift as I am looking to run ~31" tires. The XJ will still be >-->> > my daily >-->> > >driver, so I am not really concerned with going bigger (that's what >-->> > the 86' >-->> > >FSJ project is for!) and am wondering if any of you would share with >-->> > me your >-->> > >past/present dealings' with the lift(s) you have/had put on your >-->> > Jeep. I'm >-->> > >wanting to get a lift with: >-->> > >- post purchase support from the manufacturer/dealer (for those >-->> > times when, >-->> > >for one reason or another a part is missing or damaged during >-->> > transit), >-->> > >- a complete kit would be nice, but not necessary; I do want to try >-->> > a limit >-->> > >the number of purchasing points if at all possible (you know, >-->> > purchasing >-->> > >shocks from vendor A, bushings from vendor B, springs from C, etc., >-->> > etc.) >-->> > >- some sort of detailed instructional sheet/book is always >-->> > beneficial (not >-->> > >that I couldn't figure it out on my own, but it would help to >-->> > decrease the >-->> > >wrenching time) >-->> > >- I definitely want a kit/setup that comes with full rear springs, >-->> > no >-->> > >add-a-leaf's >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > >thanks, >-->> > > - Bob >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->> > >-->> > Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live >-->> > Spaces >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2507 *************************