From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Mar 11 13:09:53 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Sunday, March 11 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2528 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: xj: Re: [db] the '00 xj xj: hypothetically speaking... xj: the later XJs Re: xj: the later XJs Re: xj: the later XJs xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj Re: xj: the later XJs Re: xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj Re: xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj Re: xj: the later XJs XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] the '00 xj On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >-->Sounds like you need to find a way to put some pressure on the >-->procrastinator. Maybe park Rambo on the edge of a cliff, and threaten >-->to put it in neutral and jump out???? >--> >-->Jason I don't think that would hurt it... :) and it would only improve it's appearance... I think my buddy knows that my wife has forbidden that thing from my driveway... so I don't have many options here... my J10 is in a bazillion pieces, my wife won't let me bring Rambo home... I'm between a lifted jeep and a hard place. :) Trading my Benz for that nice XJ, buying the other XJ for the heated leather seats, fixing it and selling it, selling the '91 GW, waiting for the J10 to get it's 6.2L and hope it's this year, and then living happily ever after is starting to sound good... we'll see... options are limited when your resources are in little piles 105 miles south of you. :( john >--> >-->-- john wrote: >-->On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >--> >-->> -->Keep the 'old military jeep, keep the Benz, buy the silver XJ get >-->rid of the >-->> -->rest, kick back with a mint julep..... >-->> -->My 2c and pass a bowl of popcorn someone! >-->> -->Edward in balmy (40 degrees today - snow almost gone!) Michigan. >--> >-->let's see if I get this right... >--> >-->keep the cj (no problem), the 300D, (maybe), XJ (ok), what about the >-->WJ? >--> >-->see, I don't like this already... this is how I lost out on the WJ. My >-->wife will grab the XJ and I'll be stuck with the car again... I don't >-->want >-->to drive a car, I WANT to drive a JEEP. >--> >-->I'm in a short sleeve shirt.. been walking around outside... must be >-->in the '50s >-->at least... yep... >--> >-->Sure wish we had Diesel powered XJs in the states... Kind of miss >-->my '85 XJ with the 2.1L TD, although that engine was junk... expensive, >-->french, troublesome junk, still liked it when it ran though. :) >--> >-->john >--> >--> ----- >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: hypothetically speaking... ...if, and as the popcorn munching crowd is more than well aware, if, I decide to get this 2000 XJ, see: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html I may be able to trade the '91 300D as part of the deal... I know that the Benz is worth more in reality than the '00 XJ, although book values are nearly identical... at this point a straight trade would save sales tax and the issue of where I was going to come up with the money... HOWEVER, I know there are folks on the list that have expressed interest in Shadowfax... so, if I move forward on the XJ, is there anyone interested in the Benz on a cash basis? I know most of you think I'm probably crazy for parting with the 300D, and maybe I am... but the 300D won't tow my trailer, the seats are miserable for long trips and of course there is the Rube Goldberg Design Award for the climate control... but still, 30 mpg in town is pretty sweet. With a 10.2 mile one way drive to work, the extra $86.34 per month in gasoline vs. Diesel (assuming $3 for both) will be partially offset by savings in insurance. So, if you're interested in the '91 300D with the 2.5L TD, email me ASAP at dieseljohn-at-comcast.net... I'll check email before meeting the guy with the XJ tomorrow at 1pm. The reason the kid wants to sell the XJ is something with better economy... he's going to school. Even if this one doesn't work out, there is the black '01 that I will be looking at later this week... (thinking upgrading interior of the '00 with the leather seats from the '01). No final decisions yet... still exploring options in light of horrific delays in the dream Full Size Jeep department. I talked with my wife, and she's all for ONE nice vehicle and sell off the fleet... keeping the '99 WJ, a nice XJ, the CJ and either the trailer or the J10... I'm still clinging to the ridiculous fantasy that my J10 will be reassembled and configured with the 6.2L Diesel. Seeing as how I have no other earthly options with the J10 now, all I can do is hope and wait... and continue stock piling Veggie Oil for the glorious day the dawg comes home... Still waiting to hear on the counter offer on the '91 GW as well... may take a day off work and fix up Omega and put him on ebay... back to homework. :) later, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: xj: the later XJs Are there any issues with the 2000 and 2001 XJs? Do they still have the AW4 trans? Anyone know of anything in particular to look out for? I'm probably going to get rid of the '91 Grand Wagoneer and my '91 300D to get the 2000 Cherokee Classic... so please speak up now if you know of anything. :) thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:51:34 -0800 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: the later XJs hi! not sure when it started, and it probably doesn't matter to you if you're not going to be lifting it, but one potential issue is that the later XJs used a low-pinion front dif making for steeper front driveline angles and blessing you with all the challenges inherent to that... yes the automatics were still the AW4; it was that way all the way until the end. later models like that had the multiple coil ignition; some like it, but it seems like a solution to a problem most never had. other than that, the only big 'issue' is that it seemed like most of the XJs produced towards the end were just too full of plastic and electric gizmos that wound up needing too much attention. cheers! e john wrote: > Are there any issues with the 2000 and 2001 XJs? > > Do they still have the AW4 trans? > > Anyone know of anything in particular to look out for? > > I'm probably going to get rid of the '91 Grand Wagoneer > and my '91 300D to get the 2000 Cherokee Classic... so > please speak up now if you know of anything. :) > > thanx, > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: the later XJs thanx ernest... was thinking a 2-3" lift... what's involved in dealing with the low pinion angle then? the multiple coil and computer setup isn't bad, my '99 WJ with the 4.0L had that, makes it easier to troubleshoot AND no plug wires. :) agreed on the plastic... actually like the looks of the newer model... looking at a brush guard to protect the front, and nerf bars... may go with an aftermarket rear bumper... haven't decided yet... the back ends of the newer ones need something... they look a little plain, but the metal hatch is an improvement... I don't think the rear window flips up though... :( I know, maybe a rear tire carrier... ;) thanx, john On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > -->hi! > --> > --> not sure when it started, and it probably doesn't matter to you if you're > -->not going to be lifting it, but one potential issue is that the later XJs > -->used a low-pinion front dif making for steeper front driveline angles and > -->blessing you with all the challenges inherent to that... > --> yes the automatics were still the AW4; it was that way all the way until > -->the end. > --> later models like that had the multiple coil ignition; some like it, but > -->it seems like a solution to a problem most never had. > --> > --> other than that, the only big 'issue' is that it seemed like most of the > -->XJs produced towards the end were just too full of plastic and electric > -->gizmos that wound up needing too much attention. > --> > --> > -->cheers! > -->e > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> Are there any issues with the 2000 and 2001 XJs? > -->> > -->> Do they still have the AW4 trans? > -->> > -->> Anyone know of anything in particular to look out for? > -->> > -->> I'm probably going to get rid of the '91 Grand Wagoneer > -->> and my '91 300D to get the 2000 Cherokee Classic... so > -->> please speak up now if you know of anything. :) > -->> > -->> thanx, > -->> john > -->> > -->> ----- > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:09:14 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj You keeping those floor mats.? Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: xj-list CC: diesel-benz list Subject: [db] the '00 xj Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:50:53 -0800 (PST) >http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html > >is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? > >:) > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:16:44 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: the later XJs Most have install a SYE to fix driveline vibes on the newer XJs. Some have gotton away with a 2-3 inch lift and no vibes. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: the later XJs Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:03:33 -0800 (PST) >thanx ernest... > >was thinking a 2-3" lift... what's involved in dealing with the >low pinion angle then? > >the multiple coil and computer setup isn't bad, my '99 WJ with >the 4.0L had that, makes it easier to troubleshoot AND no >plug wires. :) > >agreed on the plastic... actually like the looks of the newer >model... looking at a brush guard to protect the front, >and nerf bars... may go with an aftermarket rear bumper... haven't >decided yet... the back ends of the newer ones need something... >they look a little plain, but the metal hatch is an improvement... >I don't think the rear window flips up though... :( > >I know, maybe a rear tire carrier... ;) > >thanx, >john > >On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > > > -->hi! > > --> > > --> not sure when it started, and it probably doesn't matter to you if you're > > -->not going to be lifting it, but one potential issue is that the later XJs > > -->used a low-pinion front dif making for steeper front driveline angles and > > -->blessing you with all the challenges inherent to that... > > --> yes the automatics were still the AW4; it was that way all the way until > > -->the end. > > --> later models like that had the multiple coil ignition; some like it, but > > -->it seems like a solution to a problem most never had. > > --> > > --> other than that, the only big 'issue' is that it seemed like most of the > > -->XJs produced towards the end were just too full of plastic and electric > > -->gizmos that wound up needing too much attention. > > --> > > --> > > -->cheers! > > -->e > > --> > > --> > > -->john wrote: > > -->> Are there any issues with the 2000 and 2001 XJs? > > -->> > > -->> Do they still have the AW4 trans? > > -->> > > -->> Anyone know of anything in particular to look out for? > > -->> > > -->> I'm probably going to get rid of the '91 Grand Wagoneer > > -->> and my '91 300D to get the 2000 Cherokee Classic... so > > -->> please speak up now if you know of anything. :) > > -->> > > -->> thanx, > > -->> john > > -->> > > -->> ----- > > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > -->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --> > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->You keeping those floor mats.? >--> >-->Allen not sure, trade you for the stock ones. :) john >--> >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> From: john >--> To: xj-list >--> CC: diesel-benz list >--> Subject: [db] the '00 xj >--> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:50:53 -0800 (PST) >--> >http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html >--> > >--> >is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? >--> > >--> >:) >--> > >--> > ----- >--> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they >--> mold >--> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a >-->month. Intro*Terms >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:39:24 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj First thing I noticed when I looked at the pic. Also the tires appear to be larger than stock. Looks nice otherwise. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: RE: [db] the '00 xj Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT) >On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > >-->You keeping those floor mats.? > >--> > >-->Allen > >not sure, trade you for the stock ones. :) > >john > > >--> > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > >--> From: john > >--> To: xj-list > >--> CC: diesel-benz list > >--> Subject: [db] the '00 xj > >--> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:50:53 -0800 (PST) > >--> >http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html > >--> > > >--> >is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? > >--> > > >--> >:) > >--> > > >--> > ----- > >--> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > >--> mold > >--> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a > >-->month. Intro*Terms > >--> > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:07 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: xj: the later XJs hi! not sure what you can do about the bad angles created by the low pinion front dif without changing axles; it's not as simple as dealing with rear shaft vibes by doing a Short-Output Tail Cone (commonly included in and/or referred to as a Slip Yoke Eliminator). cheers! e john wrote: > thanx ernest... > > was thinking a 2-3" lift... what's involved in dealing with the > low pinion angle then? > > the multiple coil and computer setup isn't bad, my '99 WJ with > the 4.0L had that, makes it easier to troubleshoot AND no > plug wires. :) > > agreed on the plastic... actually like the looks of the newer > model... looking at a brush guard to protect the front, > and nerf bars... may go with an aftermarket rear bumper... haven't > decided yet... the back ends of the newer ones need something... > they look a little plain, but the metal hatch is an improvement... > I don't think the rear window flips up though... :( > > I know, maybe a rear tire carrier... ;) > > thanx, > john > > On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > > >> -->hi! >> --> >> --> not sure when it started, and it probably doesn't matter to you if you're >> -->not going to be lifting it, but one potential issue is that the later XJs >> -->used a low-pinion front dif making for steeper front driveline angles and >> -->blessing you with all the challenges inherent to that... >> --> yes the automatics were still the AW4; it was that way all the way until >> -->the end. >> --> later models like that had the multiple coil ignition; some like it, but >> -->it seems like a solution to a problem most never had. >> --> >> --> other than that, the only big 'issue' is that it seemed like most of the >> -->XJs produced towards the end were just too full of plastic and electric >> -->gizmos that wound up needing too much attention. >> --> >> --> >> -->cheers! >> -->e >> --> >> --> >> -->john wrote: >> -->> Are there any issues with the 2000 and 2001 XJs? >> -->> >> -->> Do they still have the AW4 trans? >> -->> >> -->> Anyone know of anything in particular to look out for? >> -->> >> -->> I'm probably going to get rid of the '91 Grand Wagoneer >> -->> and my '91 300D to get the 2000 Cherokee Classic... so >> -->> please speak up now if you know of anything. :) >> -->> >> -->> thanx, >> -->> john >> -->> >> -->> ----- >> -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> -->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >> -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --> >> > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2528 *************************