From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 26 21:30:32 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, April 27 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2566 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: Cooling issues xj: OT Jeep ZJ lift ebay find Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article xj: RE: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article Re: xj: Cooling issues Re: xj: Cooling issues xj: taxes and cars Re: xj: ok, identify THIS one... XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Cooling issues did you replace the thermostat? did you get a good quality one? they do come failed... might want to replace the thermal switch for the electric fan... is the radiator clean? just because it came from a newer rig doesn't mean it doesn't have hardening of the arteries. :) did you get the right rotation water pump and fan in all this? there are differences between years and configurations... you want to make sure everything is turning the way it's supposed to... john On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Marc Z wrote: > -->Hello everyone, > --> > --> I have a cooling issue with my '89 Cherokee Laredo with the 4.0. As you > -->may remember, I replaced the radiator with a model from a '92 Cherokee. > -->Also replaced the water pump, hoses, thermostat, thermostat housing, cooling > -->fan switch, and everything to the dash and back. > --> > --> The problem is that it runs hot. That is, it runs hot eventually. On a 70 > -->degree day, the temp climbs until the thermostat opens. Then, a while > -->later, oh about 20 - 30 minutes, it continues to climb. The new thermostat > -->switch is from an '89 model and is in the thermostat housing instead of the > -->radiator. Everything appears to be running ok but the high temp. At 70 > -->degrees, I can run some heat and it will stay steady around 210 degrees. > -->But, as it heats up here for the summer, I won't be able to do that. > --> > --> I'm thinking that at 60 mph, with the amount of wind passing through the > -->radiator, it should not get hot. The new cooling fan switch doesn't seem to > -->be working either but I would not think it would run when driving 60 mph. > -->The connection works because I've connected the two prongs on the connector > -->but the fan doesn' t run when hot. Not sure if it might be a voltage issue > -->where maybe the '92 model switch runs a relay instead of direct connect to > -->the fan. > --> > --> Anyone have any recommendations? > --> > -->Thanks in advance, Marc. > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:03:52 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: xj: OT Jeep ZJ lift ebay find Guys, look at my eaby find. This should help clear my 31s. Now just need the bent LCAs from rusty's to allow full turning and my ZJ is done. Allen http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230119285330 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:11:20 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article ZJ 93-98 Introduced in 1992 First year model had the AW4. interior was updated in 96. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ernest breakfield Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:46 -0700 >wasn't it a little later than that? didn't the ZJ start in '93? and >wasn't the MJ available until '92? > > >cheers! >e > > >john wrote: >>chrysler had a number of missteps in the late '80s as well... >>cancellation >>of the SJ, the intro of the ZJ, killing off of the MJ... just to >>name >>a few... only got worse with DM and the influence of Mercedes on >>the Jeep >>brand... it looks like it did some good to the auto part... what >>little >>I've looked at them of course... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:57:33 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: xj: RE: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article A: Strap tool for the pulley and a big wrench for the nut. (I don't recall if it's reverse thread or not) On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Don White wrote: >-->How do you break this nut loose? Fan Clutch assembly on a 2000 WJ with 4.0L >--> >-->http://www.itsajeep.org/vBulletin/gallery/files/3/3/7/WJ-Fan003-E.jpg >--> >-->People say special tool required, but no one knows name of tool or where I can purchase such a tool. >--> >-->********************************************************************************* >--> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:14:25 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article If you're really looking for an uncommon beast, some 93s (and maybe some 94s) had an AX-15 five speed manual. Any ZJ owners care to comment how well they hold up if used offroad? The ZJ doesn't seem to have as rigid of a unibody as the XJ. On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 08:11:20AM -0500, Allen Zylstra wrote: > ZJ 93-98 > > Introduced in 1992 First year model had the AW4. interior was updated in > 96. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:36:17 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: xj: Cooling issues Hi John, Yes, there is a new thermostat. Actually, #2. #1 stuck all the way open. The radiator is new. I ordered a heavy duty radiator but it doesn't look like what I would have thought a heavy duty radiator should look like. Interesting points on the water pump. I went to Autozone to get the pump and picked the best of the list, determined by make, year, model. I didn't think to compare the old with the new. It did bolt on ok. : - ) Marc. john wrote: > did you replace the thermostat? did you get a good quality one? they > do come failed... > > might want to replace the thermal switch for the electric fan... > > is the radiator clean? just because it came from a newer rig doesn't > mean it doesn't have hardening of the arteries. :) > > did you get the right rotation water pump and fan in all this? there > are differences between years and configurations... you want to make > sure everything is turning the way it's supposed to... > > john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Cooling issues a reverse rotation will bolt up... you need to make sure that your serpentine belt setup and water pump all spin the same way... if you had one bad Tstat, it's likely you got another bad one... head to the dealer, won't cost that much more but at least you stand a better chance of getting one that will work. as far as the radiator these are crossflows... kind of wimpy looking. :) john On Thu, 26 Apr 2007, Marc Z wrote: > -->Hi John, > --> > -->Yes, there is a new thermostat. Actually, #2. #1 stuck all the way open. > -->The radiator is new. I ordered a heavy duty radiator but it doesn't look > -->like what I would have thought a heavy duty radiator should look like. > --> > --> Interesting points on the water pump. I went to Autozone to get the pump > -->and picked the best of the list, determined by make, year, model. I didn't > -->think to compare the old with the new. It did bolt on ok. : - ) > --> > -->Marc. > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> did you replace the thermostat? did you get a good quality one? they > -->> do come failed... > -->> > -->> might want to replace the thermal switch for the electric fan... > -->> > -->> is the radiator clean? just because it came from a newer rig doesn't > -->> mean it doesn't have hardening of the arteries. :) > -->> > -->> did you get the right rotation water pump and fan in all this? there > -->> are differences between years and configurations... you want to make > -->> sure everything is turning the way it's supposed to... > -->> > -->> john > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: taxes and cars Washington state has a wide variety of unusual taxes, which makes sense since it's leadership is heavily composed of liberal democrats from seattle and king county... these taxes add a lot of extra costs to things... especially fuel... our fuel prices are all over $3/gal... Diesel $3.09, unleaded $3.31 and premium something like $3.61 or more... rest of the country is around $2.80. That noted, ran across this news article about a car dealership that added the "B&O" tax to the sale of a used car... the guy evidently sued for the $79.20. B&O is a Business and Occupation tax... I'm surprised that they didn't charge the guy for the other 30 or 40 taxes imposed on businesses as well. :) The washington state tax book is thicker than the federal tax book... thankfully we don't have a state income tax... yet. Note the dissent statement... says a lot... :) I find it interesting to hear how other parts of the country tax things... our best way of reducing our tax burdens is to identify them and try to get our elected leaders to spend responsibly. despite seemingly poor roads in some areas, we do enjoy a pretty decent infrastructure, excellent emergency services and so on... but still... there is a limit to what we can all afford... here's the article: http://www.komoradio.com/news/local/7207976.html By Associated Press OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Car dealers and other businesses can't pass along their state taxes by tacking overhead charges onto a negotiated purchase price, the state Supreme Court ruled Thursday. In a 6-3 decision, justices held that Appleway Volkswagen in Spokane improperly added $79.23 to the price of Herbert Nelson's used Cabriolet. The Volkswagen dealer, which is part of the Appleway Chevrolet Inc. group, argued it was merely itemizing an overhead expense when it added the state business and occupation tax to the agreed price of $16,822. Nelson, however, said Appleway should not be allowed to inflate the negotiated price by passing its business tax to the consumer, who also pays higher sales taxes because of the price bump. The Supreme Court agreed, saying that state law explicitly forbids Appleway's practice of tacking on the state business and occupation tax, also called the B&O tax. "Appleway treated the B&O tax as a tax on customers," when state statute clearly says the tax shouldn't be construed as a charge on consumer purchases, Justice Richard Sanders wrote. The court said Appleway could still recoup its B&O taxes from customers if the charge is made part of the initial purchase price, which is ultimately set by the market. "The $16,822 negotiated between Appleway and Nelson is presumably that market price; Appleway cannot then add its B&O tax liability on top of this final price," Sanders wrote. The ruling upholds lower court decisions that certified a class action in the case and ordered Appleway to stop charging customers its business tax. In a sharply worded dissent, Justice Barbara Madsen said the majority's ruling was illogical and allowed Nelson to improperly enforce the state law with a private legal claim. It doesn't make sense to rule that the B&O tax may be included in the purchase price, but not added after the fact, the dissent said. In any case, customers can always walk away from a deal if they feel they are being overcharged, Madsen wrote. Nelson's claim also shouldn't stand because private parties aren't allowed to enforce the state statute, Madsen said. She was accompanied by Justices Charles Johnson and Jim Johnson. "The majority has turned a fairly simple statute into a complex and ultimately unworkable ban barring sellers from passing on overhead costs to their customers unless they expressly negotiate this particular part of overhead as part of the price," the dissent said. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:18:14 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: xj: ok, identify THIS one... Hey that's not Ryan from BJ's Offroad is it?... john wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/318417778.html > > I recognize about two parts on this thing as being what this > guy claims it to be... grille and maybe the engine... ;) clutch and > brake assy also, so that's three... > > (really having a hard time getting into my homework... ;) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2566 *************************