From owner-xj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jul 20 12:00:08 2007 From: xj-digest xj-digest Friday, July 20 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2618 Forum for Discussion of XJ cherokees and wagoneers Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions xj: Re:VIN decoder LINK NEEDED Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions xj: Lumpy engine + smoking at idle Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions RE: xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions Re: xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions Re: xj: Lumpy engine + smoking at idle Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions XJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeep/xj/ Send submissions to xj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to xj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to xj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions my daughter's new '97 XJ has a problem with the cat... is it covered? the PO had the check engine light came on... he had the o2 sensor replaced by his mechanic, $83 for the part... his labor to replace that and to change the oil came to over $300!!! I think I'd buy parts from that guy, but do the work myself. ;) on the 02 sensor ask for jobber pricing at your parts dept... should save you a bit... if they won't do it I can put you in touch with one of the local dealers here and they can ship it to you... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and sent me # home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for the # first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now will be # getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for a output # speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the trans # out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on again # after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I priced # at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles and runs # great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 sensor if I # should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I bought about # year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to install # new o2 sensors too. Allen # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your # choice. Join Now. # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: xj: Re:VIN decoder LINK NEEDED http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/VIN-info.txt all I could find... anyone know of another, there was one that JC had put up... can't find the link though... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, El PROFESOR 4X4 wrote: # HI JOHN # GOT ANY VIN DECODER LINKS FOR JEEPS? # THX, # DAN # # http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:51:07 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions The O2 is below the manifold anyways. (unless it's OBDII) Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and sent me home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for the first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now will be getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for a output speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the trans out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on again after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I priced at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles and runs great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 sensor if I should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I bought about year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to install new o2 sensors too. Allen _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:16:31 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions My daughter's 96 XJ had the same recall. Thecat had been rattling for about a month! I got a free one too! I got an O2 sensor at Advance for about $78, IIRC. for my 99 XJ. - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Zylstra" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions > I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and sent me > home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for the > first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now will be > getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for a output > speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the trans > out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on again > after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I priced > at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles and runs > great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 sensor if I > should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I bought about > year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to install > new o2 sensors too. Allen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your > choice. Join Now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:29:06 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: xj: Lumpy engine + smoking at idle Hi folks, Quick Q, I came out to my Jeep yesterday eve ('96 XJ Sport 2.5td), it started as normal but straight away I noticed it was very rough + "lumpy", as if it was only firing on 3 cylinders, with the gearstick shaking almost violently. Theres not much power when driving and no sound of the turbo spinning up (I only tried once as I didn't want to do any more damage). The fuel level was let drop a little lower than normal just previous to this so am thinking it may have picked up some gunge from the tank, I had a look at the fuel filter and can't see any significant amount of dirt in there tho.. Also, when idling its now smoking a little.. over fuelling? Not enough air? Could all of the above be a dirty injector/air filter? They all started happening at the same time.. Any help/suggestions appreciated! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:04:27 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions I am not sure if it covered the XJ, but the 96-98 ZJ with 4.0L were recalled. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT) >my daughter's new '97 XJ has a problem with the cat... is it covered? >the PO had the check engine light came on... he had the o2 sensor >replaced by his mechanic, $83 for the part... his labor to replace >that and to change the oil came to over $300!!! I think I'd buy >parts from that guy, but do the work myself. ;) > >on the 02 sensor ask for jobber pricing at your parts dept... should >save you a bit... if they won't do it I can put you in touch with >one of the local dealers here and they can ship it to you... > >john > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > # I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and sent me > # home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for the > # first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now will be > # getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for a output > # speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the trans > # out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on again > # after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I priced > # at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles and runs > # great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 sensor if I > # should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I bought about > # year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to install > # new o2 sensors too. Allen > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your > # choice. Join Now. > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PC Magazine^Rs 2007 editors^R choice for best web mail^Waward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:12:20 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: RE: xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions I am hoping to get a OEM o2 sensor. My cat makes not noise, but I will take a free one. They said it was bad and ordered a new one. Who makes the OEM sensors? Bosch? Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Hansen" Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net To: Subject: xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:16:31 -0400 >My daughter's 96 XJ had the same recall. Thecat had been rattling for about >a month! I got a free one too! > >I got an O2 sensor at Advance for about $78, IIRC. for my 99 XJ. > >-Don > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allen Zylstra" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:07 PM >Subject: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions > > > > I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and sent me > > home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for the > > first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now will be > > getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for a output > > speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the trans > > out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on again > > after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I priced > > at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles and runs > > great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 sensor if I > > should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I bought about > > year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to install > > new o2 sensors too. Allen > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your > > choice. Join Now. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Kummel Subject: Re: xj: Re: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions Hmmm...I always seem to be just a little ahead of the recall notices... I replaced my rotors in my 96 JGC just 1 month prior to getting the recall notice... I replaced the Cat and O2 as well a few months ago and now I get this recall as well...Good thing I do all the work myself or I'ld really be PO'ed! Ed web/gadget guru Don Hansen wrote: My daughter's 96 XJ had the same recall. Thecat had been rattling for about a month! I got a free one too! I got an O2 sensor at Advance for about $78, IIRC. for my 99 XJ. - -Don - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Zylstra" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions > I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and sent me > home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for the > first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now will be > getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for a output > speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the trans > out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on again > after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I priced > at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles and runs > great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 sensor if I > should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I bought about > year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to install > new o2 sensors too. Allen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your > choice. Join Now. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The rule in Silicon Valley is that if Apple leaves the table smiling, the other guy got screwed," - Rob Enderle, independant analyst on the Apple/Cisco iPhone lawsuit - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Lumpy engine + smoking at idle sounds like bad fuel, or even a little bit of water... I think you should have this thing towed to the nearest dock and shipped to Seattle... be happy to send a replacement Diesel straight away... (after all can't drive two cars home from the dock... ;) change the filters... get some Diesel fuel treatment and you might consider a different source for your fuel. I've only run across bad fuel 2x's in the last 25 years... once in Reno, and once at a station up here... You could crack the fuel lines at the top of the injectors and crank the engine over to pump "bad" fuel out... but if it's been running it'll probably work itself out... if it continues you may have a bad injector... cracking the lines at idle will tell you which one is bad... with a 4 cylinder Diesel you lose 25% power with ONE injector down... the line you crack that does NOT change the symptoms is the bad one... when replacing an injector remember to put a new little copper washer dealy bob in... (heat shield). john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 20 Jul 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Hi folks, # # Quick Q, I came out to my Jeep yesterday eve ('96 XJ Sport 2.5td), it # started as normal but straight away I noticed it was very rough + # "lumpy", as if it was only firing on 3 cylinders, with the gearstick # shaking almost violently. Theres not much power when driving and no # sound of the turbo spinning up (I only tried # once as I didn't want to do any more damage). The fuel level was let # drop a little lower than normal just previous to this so am thinking # it may have picked up # some gunge from the tank, I had a look at the fuel filter and can't # see any significant amount of dirt in there tho.. # Also, when idling its now smoking a little.. over fuelling? Not enough # air? Could all of the above be a dirty injector/air filter? They all # started happening at the same time.. # # # Any help/suggestions appreciated! # # Steve # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:34:43 -0400 From: "Don Hansen" Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions My 96 XJ was covered. CAt was rattling like mad. Got a new one for the doughnut! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Zylstra" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions > I am not sure if it covered the XJ, but the 96-98 ZJ with 4.0L were > recalled. > > Allen > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: john > Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net > To: xj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: xj: OT ZJ recall catalytic emissions > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:17:16 -0700 (PDT) > >my daughter's new '97 XJ has a problem with the cat... is it > covered? > >the PO had the check engine light came on... he had the o2 sensor > >replaced by his mechanic, $83 for the part... his labor to replace > >that and to change the oil came to over $300!!! I think I'd buy > >parts from that guy, but do the work myself. ;) > > > >on the 02 sensor ask for jobber pricing at your parts > dept... should > >save you a bit... if they won't do it I can put you in touch with > >one of the local dealers here and they can ship it to you... > > > >john > > > > ----- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > > > # I got a recall notice on my ZJ and they reflashed the ECM and > sent me > > # home. A few miles after this the check engine light came on for > the > > # first time since I have owned it. I brought it back and I now > will be > > # getting a free catalytic convertor. Also a code was stored for > a output > > # speed sensor. I bought a new one to replace it. Might help the > trans > > # out some. They told me that if the check engine light comes on > again > > # after the new cat that I will probably need new o2 sensor(s). I > priced > > # at dealer on they want about $100 each. Jeep has 163,000 miles > and runs > > # great. 4.0L with 42RE. Anyone have any good sources for o2 > sensor if I > > # should so need? I will be installing the exhaust manifold I > bought about > > # year ago next month while I have time to do it. Could time to > install > > # new o2 sensors too. Allen > > # > > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > > # i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of > your > > # choice. Join Now. > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PC Magazine^Rs 2007 editors^R choice for best web mail^Waward-winning > Windows Live Hotmail. ------------------------------ End of xj-digest V1 #2618 *************************